Thoughts about Emirates
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I have worked for British, Irish, European, American and Asian managements: As a rule of thumb "never work for British or Irish managements".
British and Irish management are bonus focused and the happiness and wellbeing of staff is absolutely not a consideration. Other managements in my experience have considered staff Quality of life as relatively important.
British and Irish management are bonus focused and the happiness and wellbeing of staff is absolutely not a consideration. Other managements in my experience have considered staff Quality of life as relatively important.
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Reading that almost made me throw up. "The biggest shop steward in the business" and "we share the loot". Really???
Talk is cheap Tim.
Great original post Strandwolf!
Talk is cheap Tim.
Great original post Strandwolf!
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Hey Come on guys. For you who still haven't realized:
He just re-iterrated the fact: If you don't like it; Leave! It's that simple.
It still cracks me up that some people who work for Emirates and to be quite fair now the majority of airlines, still somehow expect some appreciation and that they care about you. Wake-up!!! They don't care!! The only thing they care about is $$$. And at the end of the day, the public doesn't care either about your conditions, they only care about the best value for money that one has to offer.
Just take care of yourself and protect your own family and if you don't like it anymore then do what you have to do. See it as you run your own business and Emirates is your customer.
You are an unwelcome necessary tool for them and the sooner you realize that then you're OK.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS WHAT RULES HERE! AND THE ONLY THING WHAT CONTROLS EMIRATES! Are there enough people willing to work, then you get screwed. As long as they don't seriously start parking airplanes, nothing will change. They will pay only what they absolutely have too. They're operating always on the limit, that's why they are so profitable. Hard fact of life.
He just re-iterrated the fact: If you don't like it; Leave! It's that simple.
It still cracks me up that some people who work for Emirates and to be quite fair now the majority of airlines, still somehow expect some appreciation and that they care about you. Wake-up!!! They don't care!! The only thing they care about is $$$. And at the end of the day, the public doesn't care either about your conditions, they only care about the best value for money that one has to offer.
Just take care of yourself and protect your own family and if you don't like it anymore then do what you have to do. See it as you run your own business and Emirates is your customer.
You are an unwelcome necessary tool for them and the sooner you realize that then you're OK.
SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS WHAT RULES HERE! AND THE ONLY THING WHAT CONTROLS EMIRATES! Are there enough people willing to work, then you get screwed. As long as they don't seriously start parking airplanes, nothing will change. They will pay only what they absolutely have too. They're operating always on the limit, that's why they are so profitable. Hard fact of life.
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...that's why they are so profitable.
The best they could do in the last financial roundup was a profit of about two thirds of the amount that Lufthansa managed, a bit less than Ryanair made and slightly more than Easyjet.
Quantify that with the unique geographic advantage and low overheads that they have and it's shameful.
Shareholder advice from LH last year (2014) states operating profit of Euro 55million, down from the Euro 313 made the previous year. Did EK do that badly?
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There is obviously money going out the back door or they are hiding money at EK because with the labour cost that the airline enjoys there is no way they should only be declaring a $1.5 billion profit.
Just look at what Lufthansa and Delta declared and all with huge labour bills.
It is pretty sad really that EK treats its staff the way they do and the hide the money so they don't have to pay us.
Just look at what Lufthansa and Delta declared and all with huge labour bills.
It is pretty sad really that EK treats its staff the way they do and the hide the money so they don't have to pay us.
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tri, to keep it in balance the question should include the corporate tax that US/UK majors pay on profits and the differential in labor costs.
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The real drain on profits is the fat middle management full of people who might do 3 hours of meaningless work per day between Costa breaks and Facebook trolling. Slash management by half and nothing would change except the bottom line.
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Tri I am fairly confident when I say that BA, DL and LH pay their pilots way more than EK pays its pilots. That is not to say that those pilots make more than Emirates pilots (that argument is for another day) just that those companies pay more per pilot than Emirates as a company does. After all what is EK labour cost? Way below 20% probably near 15% and the other airlines are mid 30%.
The medical costs are picked up for the most part by the airlines and those pilots enjoy fabulous health care with some really good doctors.
The pilots have to pay for their own housing as I'm sure you know in your cheeky question but it is quite reasonable to live in N America and Europe somewhat. Much more reasonable than Dubai and your money goes a lot further there than in the Middle East.
You are not really comparing the big legacy carriers to the Middle East carriers are you? I don't think there is any comparison.
The medical costs are picked up for the most part by the airlines and those pilots enjoy fabulous health care with some really good doctors.
The pilots have to pay for their own housing as I'm sure you know in your cheeky question but it is quite reasonable to live in N America and Europe somewhat. Much more reasonable than Dubai and your money goes a lot further there than in the Middle East.
You are not really comparing the big legacy carriers to the Middle East carriers are you? I don't think there is any comparison.
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American Airlines just declared a $932 million profit for the QUARTER and everybody knows what they pay their employees. The pilots just got a 23% pay raise to boot.
How much Is Emirates going to declare? More importantly how many weeks are its employees going to get?
Still hoping for the call up to the Majors. It can't come soon enough.
How much Is Emirates going to declare? More importantly how many weeks are its employees going to get?
Still hoping for the call up to the Majors. It can't come soon enough.
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Hi.Standwolf,
Feeling a little sacred reading your article about moving to EK
. Is it going go be so bad? Do you think things might change for the good, since EK is recruiting a LOT of pilots this year, maybe they are finally realizing that their pilots are stressed and fatigued?
Feeling a little sacred reading your article about moving to EK
. Is it going go be so bad? Do you think things might change for the good, since EK is recruiting a LOT of pilots this year, maybe they are finally realizing that their pilots are stressed and fatigued?
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GR8AV8R
It's not written to make you scared, it's the facts and no, I don't see things changing. They need pilots to fill the empty seats, not because of fatigue or stress. You have the choice to make the decision.
It's not written to make you scared, it's the facts and no, I don't see things changing. They need pilots to fill the empty seats, not because of fatigue or stress. You have the choice to make the decision.
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He knows it. That's why he said it. Still trying to fight against his employees and prove his power instead of appreciate them.
I guess that there should be some sort of psychological test before making someone a CEO. If they prove power addictive, ditch them off.
First part of his sentence is becoming the truth while he is fighting for his power over people's lives and while he is avoiding to look at his own.
I guess that there should be some sort of psychological test before making someone a CEO. If they prove power addictive, ditch them off.
First part of his sentence is becoming the truth while he is fighting for his power over people's lives and while he is avoiding to look at his own.
Alu Shuffler,
The term you seek is "industrial psychopath", also, many like-minded individuals of Antipodean extraction used too inhabit the ranks of the EK training dept.
That being said, psychopath is such a pejorative term and having spoken to a friend of mine in the mental health profession, no not my therapist, he is of the opinion that they are closer to sociopaths.
The term you seek is "industrial psychopath", also, many like-minded individuals of Antipodean extraction used too inhabit the ranks of the EK training dept.
That being said, psychopath is such a pejorative term and having spoken to a friend of mine in the mental health profession, no not my therapist, he is of the opinion that they are closer to sociopaths.
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Tri Here ya go.
Now feel free to compare.
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Not really fair though as it has a yard, and free schools. So a MD80 captain at DL make way more than an A380 at EK. Not even close. In fact DL MD80 FO's have a higher realized income. Than a captain at EK.
Now feel free to compare.
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Not really fair though as it has a yard, and free schools. So a MD80 captain at DL make way more than an A380 at EK. Not even close. In fact DL MD80 FO's have a higher realized income. Than a captain at EK.
120, just so we can compare, what about the large majority of us who can't/won't/have no desire to live in the US, or Hotlanta etc etc.
Your comparison of a DL pilots remuneration is as noteworthy as it is useless to the vast majority looking at EK as a career option.
A large house in a leafy suburb of Atlanta certainly looks nice, but its disingenuous as it is unattainable.
Here is an example of a nice place where I'm from, which is equally unobtainable to many,
5 bedroom detached house for sale in Bryn, Quarry Lane, Kelsall, CW6 0PA, CW6
Your comparison of a DL pilots remuneration is as noteworthy as it is useless to the vast majority looking at EK as a career option.
A large house in a leafy suburb of Atlanta certainly looks nice, but its disingenuous as it is unattainable.
Here is an example of a nice place where I'm from, which is equally unobtainable to many,
5 bedroom detached house for sale in Bryn, Quarry Lane, Kelsall, CW6 0PA, CW6
