Time to move the 380 cockpit door?
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guys its only a company notam which i presume will be temporary.
My thinking is that its just to keep in line with other companies for the time being
As soon as this passes over I imagine things will revert to normal but i could be wrong and we get an FCI next
anyway take all the breaks u need and for as long as u need. I'm not gonna change my habbits
My thinking is that its just to keep in line with other companies for the time being
As soon as this passes over I imagine things will revert to normal but i could be wrong and we get an FCI next
anyway take all the breaks u need and for as long as u need. I'm not gonna change my habbits
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Reality is the glamour left this career many years ago , it's just a job now . Some good articles about low cost airlines and low cost pilots.
Some people getting into it now envision the glamour days only to be shocked
It's only a job now and the pay is average.
Some people getting into it now envision the glamour days only to be shocked
It's only a job now and the pay is average.
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Just waiting for the ASR:
"Go-around - Cabin not ready
A go-around was performed at almost 1000 feet due to cabin not ready. Contributing factor was the FO whom had a severe case of the ****ters and therefore Muhammed (L5, the only male cabin crew onboard and now having to sit in the flight deck for 20 minutes) could not secure his station in time."
"Go-around - Cabin not ready
A go-around was performed at almost 1000 feet due to cabin not ready. Contributing factor was the FO whom had a severe case of the ****ters and therefore Muhammed (L5, the only male cabin crew onboard and now having to sit in the flight deck for 20 minutes) could not secure his station in time."
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No change to the controlled rest policy then?
CC are required to guard the one pilot while the other goes to the lav for a few minutes but when one pilot checks out for up to 40min (officially) replete with eye shades, ear plugs, blanket, the other guy is left unguarded on a one man show to do whatever he likes. One swing with a crash axe while he sleeps and it's goodnight Vienna. But I'm sure it'll never happen.
CC are required to guard the one pilot while the other goes to the lav for a few minutes but when one pilot checks out for up to 40min (officially) replete with eye shades, ear plugs, blanket, the other guy is left unguarded on a one man show to do whatever he likes. One swing with a crash axe while he sleeps and it's goodnight Vienna. But I'm sure it'll never happen.
Hmm, think we should call this mountain "Mount Mole Hill".
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The scenarios put here are masterpieces
It scares me to know how criminal minded a human let alone a pilot can be
I , myself , have envisaged the possibility of the other crew member becoming unwillingly suicidal ( ignoring a go around call and plunging it to the ground to where he thinks is a runway !)
I will be psychologically evaluating my CM1 at the briefing to safely and efficiently plan my poop breaks
It scares me to know how criminal minded a human let alone a pilot can be
I , myself , have envisaged the possibility of the other crew member becoming unwillingly suicidal ( ignoring a go around call and plunging it to the ground to where he thinks is a runway !)
I will be psychologically evaluating my CM1 at the briefing to safely and efficiently plan my poop breaks
short flights long nights
I'm thinking I got out just in time.
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Todays paper states "Sharjah-based carrier Air Arabia is NOT implementing the 'rule of two' law - yet." A spokesperson said: "Air Arabia is currently considering and evaluating the 'two person at all times' cockpit procedure that is being proposed. We will announce any changes to our operating procedures as appropriate"
Seems like a reasonable response instead of knee-jerk reaction to give appearance of doing the right thing before a well thought out evaluation and assessment of can be made.
Seems like a reasonable response instead of knee-jerk reaction to give appearance of doing the right thing before a well thought out evaluation and assessment of can be made.
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It's a passenger confidence building measure that seems not unreasonable to implement from a PR point of view at the present time. Probably worthless in reality, even with guidance given to the cabin crew, how do they know if the remaining pilot is about to do something dodgy. It does seem a little silly having to call the L1 when you need to go peepee!
The reality is you can probably never stop a determined mad man or woman from doing anything, particularly if they are a psychopath without empathy or remorse. A jump seating pilot would definitely have a better clue of what to do.
The reality is you can probably never stop a determined mad man or woman from doing anything, particularly if they are a psychopath without empathy or remorse. A jump seating pilot would definitely have a better clue of what to do.
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Cabin crew are different, and more than often during the few occasions we have to socialize with them, we all have been puzzled by their abysmal lack of maturity, education, logical process and general knowledge. The fact that quite a few pilots are married to some is unfortunately shifting the judgment of many.
Basically they are recruited out of nowhere, stay in our companies sometimes as short as 6 months, and after resigning go back to nowhere...
You may encounter some with a little bit of extreme religious involvment - you see what I mean, and for sure I've met some of them which I found a little bit limit for that matter
To give them a function in the cockpit is non-sense.
When my colleague is out to the toilets or stretching his legs - and this last thing in a transoceanic flight is absolutely necessary, and we will continue to do it (in other words no CC is going to clock how much time we spent out of the cockpit, or how many times we go out for a pee) I will remain in charge of who is going to be admitted to the cockpit, and the total stranger who is going to be seated on the jumpseat will not have a word in my decision to open or not the door to one of his buddies...
A suggested SOP : when other pilot is out, and CC observer in, the door will be opened (by remaining pilot) only to the other pilot coming back..... and brief your crew about it, that will deflate some of their self-perceived role.
In other words, cabin crew are much more a statistical security risk than pilots...
Basically they are recruited out of nowhere, stay in our companies sometimes as short as 6 months, and after resigning go back to nowhere...
You may encounter some with a little bit of extreme religious involvment - you see what I mean, and for sure I've met some of them which I found a little bit limit for that matter
To give them a function in the cockpit is non-sense.
When my colleague is out to the toilets or stretching his legs - and this last thing in a transoceanic flight is absolutely necessary, and we will continue to do it (in other words no CC is going to clock how much time we spent out of the cockpit, or how many times we go out for a pee) I will remain in charge of who is going to be admitted to the cockpit, and the total stranger who is going to be seated on the jumpseat will not have a word in my decision to open or not the door to one of his buddies...
A suggested SOP : when other pilot is out, and CC observer in, the door will be opened (by remaining pilot) only to the other pilot coming back..... and brief your crew about it, that will deflate some of their self-perceived role.
In other words, cabin crew are much more a statistical security risk than pilots...
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...been away for a while.
The "expectation" of what is required by cc in the flight deck, while a pilot is out on a p-break, needs to be carefully managed and communicated. Empowering anyone not appropriately trained (i.e. a type rated pilot) to manipulate switches on the flight deck when they "feel" something may be wrong, could be quite catastrophic.
After deliberately briefing the crew on the specifics, the day the CO-NOTAM was released (pre-flight), I was amazed at the questions being asked once cc were called to the flight deck. Some thought they were there to "fly the plane" in case something went wrong and one attempted to sit in the pilot seat when the other guy exited.
That aspiration didn't last too long...
I hope once the dust has settled, common sense prevails. After all, what does this procedure say for the confidence we have in our internal psych department?
After deliberately briefing the crew on the specifics, the day the CO-NOTAM was released (pre-flight), I was amazed at the questions being asked once cc were called to the flight deck. Some thought they were there to "fly the plane" in case something went wrong and one attempted to sit in the pilot seat when the other guy exited.
That aspiration didn't last too long...
I hope once the dust has settled, common sense prevails. After all, what does this procedure say for the confidence we have in our internal psych department?
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And don't tell us that back-ground checks are performed during the recruitment process.... Hundreds of recruits from all over the world... We are just airlines !
Now any aspiring terr' does know that he can quite easily get access to a cockpit close to any city in the world (just have to be patient) just by passing some easy interview with group exercises and grooming test....
Now any aspiring terr' does know that he can quite easily get access to a cockpit close to any city in the world (just have to be patient) just by passing some easy interview with group exercises and grooming test....
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[It's a passenger confidence building measure that seems not unreasonable to implement from a PR point of view at the present time. Probably worthless in reality, even with guidance given to the cabin crew, how do they know if the remaining pilot is about to do something dodgy. It does seem a little silly having to call the L1 when you need to go peepee!
The reality is you can probably never stop a determined mad man or woman from doing anything, particularly if they are a psychopath without empathy or remorse. A jump seating pilot would definitely have a better clue of what to do.
The reality is you can probably never stop a determined mad man or woman from doing anything, particularly if they are a psychopath without empathy or remorse. A jump seating pilot would definitely have a better clue of what to do.
Here is The Captain of our plane. Look at him closely........he /she is the person that you cannot trust to be alone in the flight deck!
That does nothing to inspire confidence. IMHO, airlines should rather stand up to the media frenzy by re-affirming their trust in their pilots. They should rather be focusing on the root cause of the issue i.e. How to deal with depression.
As a side bar, I note that psychiatric issues are excluded from our( and presumably most airlines) loss of licence insurance. I wonder why someone would want to hide it away
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PR measures only; however, The National quotes the Abu Dhabi GCAA fellow plan to implement frequent psycho evaluations for pilots. Therefore, expect to be talking to a shrink on your next medical.
Imagine pilots being grounded for the slightest hint of mental distress.
Imagine pilots being grounded for the slightest hint of mental distress.
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I heard they're going to hire some more Filipinos on the same deal as the CSAs to sit in the cockpit for when Sir needs a crap. No hotel layovers, though, just out and back, sleep in the jumpseat.
Midgets are of lower weight and require lower calorie intake. Stowage is also much easier when not required. This would much improve yield etc etc.