Time to move the 380 cockpit door?
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Don't worry. The same policy has been introduced down the road. Someone asked the question about what this does if operating minimum crew. The response - "therefore it is now even more important to plan ahead and agree the most appropriate time to take a physiological break from the Flight Deck."
Indeed. Because I know beforehand exactly when I want to take a piss.
Indeed. Because I know beforehand exactly when I want to take a piss.
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Well, I think they might need to rethink the policy of "planning and coordinating" breaks because with 'chicken tikka curry rogan josh chili' as the only available meal to the cockpit on the way back from COK at 9am in the morning, there's only one thing for sure....time will be of the essence or sh!t will hit the.................
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I've asked numerous times in wash-up about Jump Seat policy and was told not going to happen for security reasons.
So now on a full flight, you could have a perfectly qualified observer who is trying to get home and who has undergone intensive back ground checks sitting there without having to interrupt Sir & Madams caviar.
Think they will do it? Well it won't be to help you and I get home ....but Sir & Madam...
Let's see if they 'walk the walk'
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So now on a full flight, you could have a perfectly qualified observer who is trying to get home and who has undergone intensive back ground checks sitting there without having to interrupt Sir & Madams caviar.
Think they will do it? Well it won't be to help you and I get home ....but Sir & Madam...
Let's see if they 'walk the walk'
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Some of the financial pressures on new FOs who have the equivalent of a mortgage just to cover their training should perhaps be considered at the same time as well. Some of the FOs I've flown with have had £120K loans just to get to where they are for a seasonal part time contract.....
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Alloy---an article suggesting just that...
The one wild possibility missing from most of the equally baseless Germanwings speculation | PandoDaily
The one wild possibility missing from most of the equally baseless Germanwings speculation | PandoDaily
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this will be an example of the law of unintended consequences....
(not the post above.....the new policy in general)
(not the post above.....the new policy in general)
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A cabin crew member in the toilet will not prevent a determined mental suicide event from happening by deliberate pilot action. Case in point, suicide pilot and cabin crew member in cockpit. Suicide pilot decides to shut down engines and turn flight control computers off as well as carrying out a rapid decompression of the aircraft. Let's see if any cabin crew member would be able to turn that lot back on while the suicide pilot has jumped out of their seat to put the dead bolt on and started attacking the cabin crew member.
The only true way to prevent this ever happening again is for 2 pilots to be present in the cockpit at all times. Financially this will never happen as many carriers think that the cost does not outweigh the risks.
How will airlines prevent the issue of a suicide pilot nose diving the aircraft a few hundred feet up during climb out off the end of the runway. What about a landing incident a few hundred feet above a highly populated City. The prevention here is not in the cockpit, it must be done "somehow" in the doctors clinic.
I am not sure how the future will play out but some test for level of mental state or craziness is no doubt going to be implemented into medicals in the future. Guys undergoing divorces, people with money debt issues or whatever might be moved up into the higher risk braket. This is an cruise issue that can "only" be resolved by having 2 pilots in the cockpit period, but will never happen due to the accountants, they are the root cause of this and many other safety issues in airlines.
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The only true way to prevent this ever happening again is for 2 pilots to be present in the cockpit at all times. Financially this will never happen as many carriers think that the cost does not outweigh the risks.
How will airlines prevent the issue of a suicide pilot nose diving the aircraft a few hundred feet up during climb out off the end of the runway. What about a landing incident a few hundred feet above a highly populated City. The prevention here is not in the cockpit, it must be done "somehow" in the doctors clinic.
I am not sure how the future will play out but some test for level of mental state or craziness is no doubt going to be implemented into medicals in the future. Guys undergoing divorces, people with money debt issues or whatever might be moved up into the higher risk braket. This is an cruise issue that can "only" be resolved by having 2 pilots in the cockpit period, but will never happen due to the accountants, they are the root cause of this and many other safety issues in airlines.
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How about continuously pressing the little red button on the stick and pushing?
Would the cutie in the jumpseat be able to:
a) stop the jockey doing it?
b) jump up against the negative 1g and open the door for the other jockey who was surprised with his pants down in the loo?
or, as we are at it, even in a normal scenario:
a) would the jockey in the other seat be able to react if, by courtesy of Airbus, his stick is pressed dead?
b) would he be able to disconnect the computers and, with his willie-stickie working again, be able to counteract the algebraic sum of "full down" and "full up" to stop the imminent impact?
c) would a quarter-pounded jockey be able to counteract a sumo-fighting trained colleague who pushes the yoke in an interconnected tractor cockpit?
There is unfortunately little that all the knee jerk reactions of the powers can do if there is a real malicious intent by a pilot, in any machine.
It's only to please the public and to continue with minimal cost involved.
Would the cutie in the jumpseat be able to:
a) stop the jockey doing it?
b) jump up against the negative 1g and open the door for the other jockey who was surprised with his pants down in the loo?
or, as we are at it, even in a normal scenario:
a) would the jockey in the other seat be able to react if, by courtesy of Airbus, his stick is pressed dead?
b) would he be able to disconnect the computers and, with his willie-stickie working again, be able to counteract the algebraic sum of "full down" and "full up" to stop the imminent impact?
c) would a quarter-pounded jockey be able to counteract a sumo-fighting trained colleague who pushes the yoke in an interconnected tractor cockpit?
There is unfortunately little that all the knee jerk reactions of the powers can do if there is a real malicious intent by a pilot, in any machine.
It's only to please the public and to continue with minimal cost involved.
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Alloy,
Lubitz trained at the Lufthansa flight training academy in Bremen and Phoenix. He had his training paid for him and would only have had to fund his living costs throughout (accommodation was also included by Lufthansa in Goodyear), he was living the dream as far as modern day flight training goes.
Lubitz trained at the Lufthansa flight training academy in Bremen and Phoenix. He had his training paid for him and would only have had to fund his living costs throughout (accommodation was also included by Lufthansa in Goodyear), he was living the dream as far as modern day flight training goes.
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Living the dream?
Not according to his GF
"Maria W. told the paper: "We always talked a lot about work and then he became a different person. He became upset about the conditions we worked under: too little money, fear of losing the contract, too much pressure."
Sound familiar?
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Not according to his GF
"Maria W. told the paper: "We always talked a lot about work and then he became a different person. He became upset about the conditions we worked under: too little money, fear of losing the contract, too much pressure."
Sound familiar?
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Comparing it to the £120,000 loans raked up by a very significant number of young pilots today yes, it's virtually unheard of to have your training funded by the company and you bonded for the TR.
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In light of recent incidents, would it not be a great idea to move the locking flight deck door to the bottom of the stairs? This would leave us with our own bathroom, ie no pilot has to leave the flight deck and be unable to return whilst the added benefit is that there are no longer pax right up at the door - potentially- as you enter/exit the cockpit.
Discuss.....
Discuss.....
As the 6ft 6", gym strengthened, half my age and twice my strength, male CC who chaperoned me the other day whilst the Captain was wizzing, said.....How could I tell if you were subtlety descending anyhow?
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But the new procedure is just a typical reaction to make the public feel safe. (Not only EK, but other airlines are implementing this procedure as well now.)
Someone with wrong intentions (FCM or CCM) will always have other ways of taking over and this procedure makes us all look like a potential suspects unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by voice of peace
ATC: ABC123 descend FL330 due traffic. report reaching
PILOT: descend FL330, wilco ABC123
ACTION: hand moves towards MCP/FCU alt selector knob (CC of course briefed poorly by CC OPS on this sinister rotary selector) and thereafter OPDES/FLCH SPD engaged..
AIRCRAFT: descent initiated
CABIN CREW: what the hell are you doing? attacks? screams? help help he's trying to kill us
PILOT: descend FL330, wilco ABC123
ACTION: hand moves towards MCP/FCU alt selector knob (CC of course briefed poorly by CC OPS on this sinister rotary selector) and thereafter OPDES/FLCH SPD engaged..
AIRCRAFT: descent initiated
CABIN CREW: what the hell are you doing? attacks? screams? help help he's trying to kill us
Originally Posted by voice of peace
alone with CC "guard dog" monitoring our every move?
Originally Posted by craggenmore
male CC who chaperoned me
Whilst I agree that this is a pointless exercise it really doesn't change much of how we operate does it? And when I need to go for a dump I will take my time - can't be rushing the good things in life...
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They are NOT monitoring your every move... Just there to open the doors for us. Saves me having to reach over and toggle the switch!
If you tell him NOT to open the door, will he?
If he decides to let in his ( put in whatever you want )-buddy, can you inhibit him?
You are simply shifting the inherent problem of that friggin door from a pilot to a flight attendant.
Congratulations ......
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I quite agree Glofish... A pointless exercise as I said! Anyway, the remaining pilot is the one to open or lock the door as necessary; I was being facetious...
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Who would have predicted that in 2015, the centre of discussion of airline transportation would centre around the closure of a door..? No one would of course. Absurdity ?
Yes.
Reality?
Yes.
An unintended consequence of the rise of militant Islam, which is due, in part, to a global dependence on fossil fuels sourced from a specific geopolitical area, which is due.... oh enuff said.
Yes.
Reality?
Yes.
An unintended consequence of the rise of militant Islam, which is due, in part, to a global dependence on fossil fuels sourced from a specific geopolitical area, which is due.... oh enuff said.
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