How many Pilots have left/Leaving Emirates
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One of my FOs the other day was telling me about his buddy who flys for EK as a 777 Captain. This FO told me his take home salary was MORE than the EK 777 skipper. He's a NB FO. Whoa! What does that tell you about EK salaries?
He also mentioned how much harder EK pilots work to get their salary, something about increasing overtime threshold to 90 hrs vs 80 where it use to be.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that pilots will leave the M.E. for better pastures with info like that.
I fly for a US legacy carrier, btw.
He also mentioned how much harder EK pilots work to get their salary, something about increasing overtime threshold to 90 hrs vs 80 where it use to be.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that pilots will leave the M.E. for better pastures with info like that.
I fly for a US legacy carrier, btw.
Come on Geebz, you can do better than that. Still getting back to India much?
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I wonder how often the seniority list gets updated. I'd have thought that'll be automatically synchronised on daily basis.
At the moment no new joiners for the last 24 days, of course if it's not synchronised daily that's a different story, just my observation.
At the moment no new joiners for the last 24 days, of course if it's not synchronised daily that's a different story, just my observation.
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Geebz you would be misinformed. I have spoken to a few mates at the US Majors (Southwest and United) who are 7+yr narrowbody FO. They do not make close to what a 7 year EK Captain (with housing allowance and tax breaks)
roster?.....that's a different story
roster?.....that's a different story
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Uuuuups! Thats why they dream flying in EK...they have no idea the kind of concentration camp is EK...good luck to those who volunteer to be a new modern slave...
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Mr GC wrote a good post (#116). I completely agree with his statement about the physically demanding LoCo operations whilst doing 900 hours per year, the saviour though is you generally also get to sleep in your own bed and live in your own chosen location. The big problem with EK is that the physical demands are exacerbated with different time zones, un-friendly flying schedules, 16 hour duty periods with 24 stopovers, punitive reactions to any negatively perceived actions, ongoing arbitrary negative changes to the working conditions (many a list has been made on various threads on prune) and to cap it all off a wonderful gem inbound from the GCAA stating that none of your time in the ****tiest bunks ever designed for an aircraft will count toward your flying hour totals.
My reason for departing is the sum of the problems above, but the primary reason has been on-going fatigue. CAP371 never took into account ULR’s with minimum turnarounds with the back of the clock type flying we do. And CAP 371 never interpreted that time spent in a bunk was time that meant you were going to completely rest, every time. One recent flight sleep was impossible in the bunk due to constant turbulence and babies crying. The new target will be very, how can I say it without alarming the press, extremely fatiguing! One only has to look back to the Melbourne incident with the cumulative hours the captain was going into that particular flight and then see how quickly the company was to deny fatigue was in any way a contributing factor to the event.
Here are some points to ponder regarding fatigue in this company;
There is a limitation of being able to swap between east and west, this was a rule invented by the company in order to prevent swaps, I mean fatigue. Yet when you are on reserve you can be sent 6 hours west then getting back to DXB having had minimum rest then be sent 6 hours east, go figure?
Remember the increase in productivity to help out the poor ailing company, which became the new target, what will happen when CAR OPS part 1 is implemented, digest the contents of this link on pprune;
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/555784-new-gcaa-flight-time-limitations-could-not-any-worse.html
Leave, apart from throwing 4 days in here and there (which would count as base days off anyway), why can’t one get a decent amount of leave which also means a few days off before and afterwards (like our fellow office workers). Leave enables me to attempt a recovery toward normality but it is abundantly clear now that they don’t care about leave or they would manage the numbers more sensibly.
EK is a LoCo long haul operation that pushes every boundary when it comes to squeezing its staff (Engineers, CC plus many others as well). I now know it is not sustainable for my health and unless you are a super human, I don’t think it is sustainable for any human being. But then again you can always leave, as I was told and am in the process of now doing. If only the management managed people instead of numbers, it could be such a great place to work.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/28/germanwings-crash-exposes-pressure-pilotes
As a final thought, does anyone know what level of personal insurance as an EK employee can one expect going to some of the places we fly too?
My reason for departing is the sum of the problems above, but the primary reason has been on-going fatigue. CAP371 never took into account ULR’s with minimum turnarounds with the back of the clock type flying we do. And CAP 371 never interpreted that time spent in a bunk was time that meant you were going to completely rest, every time. One recent flight sleep was impossible in the bunk due to constant turbulence and babies crying. The new target will be very, how can I say it without alarming the press, extremely fatiguing! One only has to look back to the Melbourne incident with the cumulative hours the captain was going into that particular flight and then see how quickly the company was to deny fatigue was in any way a contributing factor to the event.
Here are some points to ponder regarding fatigue in this company;
There is a limitation of being able to swap between east and west, this was a rule invented by the company in order to prevent swaps, I mean fatigue. Yet when you are on reserve you can be sent 6 hours west then getting back to DXB having had minimum rest then be sent 6 hours east, go figure?
Remember the increase in productivity to help out the poor ailing company, which became the new target, what will happen when CAR OPS part 1 is implemented, digest the contents of this link on pprune;
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/555784-new-gcaa-flight-time-limitations-could-not-any-worse.html
Leave, apart from throwing 4 days in here and there (which would count as base days off anyway), why can’t one get a decent amount of leave which also means a few days off before and afterwards (like our fellow office workers). Leave enables me to attempt a recovery toward normality but it is abundantly clear now that they don’t care about leave or they would manage the numbers more sensibly.
EK is a LoCo long haul operation that pushes every boundary when it comes to squeezing its staff (Engineers, CC plus many others as well). I now know it is not sustainable for my health and unless you are a super human, I don’t think it is sustainable for any human being. But then again you can always leave, as I was told and am in the process of now doing. If only the management managed people instead of numbers, it could be such a great place to work.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/28/germanwings-crash-exposes-pressure-pilotes
As a final thought, does anyone know what level of personal insurance as an EK employee can one expect going to some of the places we fly too?
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Great post but you lost my vote at Melbourne. The Captain had spent the whole day windsurfing, hardly a sign that he was fatigued!
Whilst the Company undoubtedly has a responsibility for fatigue management, something they do poorly, we too must take ownership.
Harry
Great post but you lost my vote at Melbourne. The Captain had spent the whole day windsurfing, hardly a sign that he was fatigued!
Whilst the Company undoubtedly has a responsibility for fatigue management, something they do poorly, we too must take ownership.
Harry
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Harry. You took the words words out of my mouth re MEL. And it was an ACCIDENT, not Incident according to the Aussie investigation! Nothing to do with fatigue; just a poor operation... Look at the CVR transcript...
Well good news chaps. Letter on the portal stating 25% increase on basic salary, and 10% on flying pay effective 01 May 2015. Overtime threshold stays the same.
Seems we only get to hear good news once a year recently.
Seems we only get to hear good news once a year recently.
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Don can you provide link to such advise..... jumped outta bed this morning to check emails, hoping the messiah had came and Emirates would be saved from current insanity, common sense would prevail.
Then I realised needed my annual Common Sense Vaccination being April 1st
LMAO...
Then I realised needed my annual Common Sense Vaccination being April 1st
LMAO...
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April's fool...
Yes, a bit like the article in this morning's "The National" about 4x4's being banned from UAE roads from April 1 next year.
UAE to ban SUVs by early 2016 | The National
I can just see all the blacked out Hummers being traded down to Prius hybrids..yeah, like that's going to happen.
As likely as taking assault rifles off the Yanks and only allowing them to kill with handguns.
UAE to ban SUVs by early 2016 | The National
I can just see all the blacked out Hummers being traded down to Prius hybrids..yeah, like that's going to happen.
As likely as taking assault rifles off the Yanks and only allowing them to kill with handguns.
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Well one thing that is no joke is that what ever the profit amount one thing can be certain, the target for this financial year will be staggering, we may avail of a tasty profit share and pay raise but it will be the last for a while, the company will struggle through the next 12 months, warnings at my last wash up of constant 95 hr months will come true, as will min days off per month, any cream we get this month will quickly be soured by limited time off and fatigue. Allah help us if something spikes the price of oil because this years targets will be based on current oil prices!
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Hey transport jock,
You said:
ps....EK also apparently said they would take guys with Q400 only time... Thats how desperate they are getting..
I woder just Q400 or also ATRs Hércules...etc
Thanks
You said:
ps....EK also apparently said they would take guys with Q400 only time... Thats how desperate they are getting..
I woder just Q400 or also ATRs Hércules...etc
Thanks