How many Pilots have left/Leaving Emirates
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I have watched that video many time before I joined Ek 3 and a bit years ago...
I can tell you, the size of my garden is not the same than on the video
just to mention that point ! 
Funny, the comments option on youtube is not active !! bizarre
I can tell you, the size of my garden is not the same than on the video
just to mention that point ! Funny, the comments option on youtube is not active !! bizarre
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Colleagues,
just for fliion and others to understand where I am coming from. No not Ryanair or anyother LCC in Europe. I wish it was Ryanair, at least I would have made some money. After 14 + years as FO, my pay was €3500, two years ago the company since it is in financial trouble decided overnight to give us a paycut of 20%, nice!!! Now I was making €2800 per month. yupiii.
Did management give them self a paycut? Nope. Only pilots. Did our Union do anything. Nope. They were afraid that the company would go under, and they would loose their flying jobs in their country. Management knew their attitude and played on this, and continued to cut on our benefits. 2 years ago , another bomb shell. In a country where we paid about 50% taxes, and doubble pension contribution, our dear government decides to boone us as well. They destroyed our pension system for pilots. before it was fly 20 years and get 2/3 of pension, fly 30 years get full pension. Now you must fly till 65, and your pension will be as much as a factory worker. Socialisam, yupiii. When asked if we may get reimbursed , since we where paying dubble pension contribution. Answer: Nope. So screwed by the company and government. About Upgrade? lol. After merger, lost seniority. just before upgrade, company phases out the aircraft type I was on. I regret that I did not leave earlier. Kind off hoped that things would become better. We went on strike to protest our pension deal. Do you think that our CEO, was behind us. Well no. On national TV he called pilots overpaid spoiled bus drivers. That is when I saw what time it is. Fliion, I understand you, Believe me , I have been through degrading condition as well. Now put your self in my shoes. How would you feel if EK tomorrow decides to cut your pay by lets say 6000dhs, and also decides to annul the providential fund. Believe me almost everyone will leave. Before I came here, I was clear headed. I had no illusions. I did my research. Am I happy or exstatic here? Do I glorify or bag on EK. No I don't. I am here not that long. Do I get a better deal than back home. Hell yes. This is just a Job. If it gets bad, I will pick-up and leave.
just for fliion and others to understand where I am coming from. No not Ryanair or anyother LCC in Europe. I wish it was Ryanair, at least I would have made some money. After 14 + years as FO, my pay was €3500, two years ago the company since it is in financial trouble decided overnight to give us a paycut of 20%, nice!!! Now I was making €2800 per month. yupiii.
Did management give them self a paycut? Nope. Only pilots. Did our Union do anything. Nope. They were afraid that the company would go under, and they would loose their flying jobs in their country. Management knew their attitude and played on this, and continued to cut on our benefits. 2 years ago , another bomb shell. In a country where we paid about 50% taxes, and doubble pension contribution, our dear government decides to boone us as well. They destroyed our pension system for pilots. before it was fly 20 years and get 2/3 of pension, fly 30 years get full pension. Now you must fly till 65, and your pension will be as much as a factory worker. Socialisam, yupiii. When asked if we may get reimbursed , since we where paying dubble pension contribution. Answer: Nope. So screwed by the company and government. About Upgrade? lol. After merger, lost seniority. just before upgrade, company phases out the aircraft type I was on. I regret that I did not leave earlier. Kind off hoped that things would become better. We went on strike to protest our pension deal. Do you think that our CEO, was behind us. Well no. On national TV he called pilots overpaid spoiled bus drivers. That is when I saw what time it is. Fliion, I understand you, Believe me , I have been through degrading condition as well. Now put your self in my shoes. How would you feel if EK tomorrow decides to cut your pay by lets say 6000dhs, and also decides to annul the providential fund. Believe me almost everyone will leave. Before I came here, I was clear headed. I had no illusions. I did my research. Am I happy or exstatic here? Do I glorify or bag on EK. No I don't. I am here not that long. Do I get a better deal than back home. Hell yes. This is just a Job. If it gets bad, I will pick-up and leave.
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easy to state - best of luck. But the 50 euros is more a challenging question. What in your opinion is the minimum and based on what? I mean the standard bills you have to pay with no bills outside Dubai?
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In the last two and half years of with your previous employer...did they make $2.5bn ?
I'm the last ten years with your previous, did they make over $10bn.
Apples to apples.
f.
In the last two and half years of with your previous employer...did they make $2.5bn ?
I'm the last ten years with your previous, did they make over $10bn.
Apples to apples.
f.
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A golden cage has many faces , amongst others the natural resistance against changes to the status quo, which is a given known fact to the managers (bean counters/'pilots')).You do not want to move on! We all resist by bitching and moaning as a relieve valve indicating our discomfort and showing that we are happy and do not intent to move, unless you leave us alone. Its a (weak)threatening posture against the Powers To Be.
The response from the PTB on the other hand is crystal clear, an unmistakable" show me your hemorrhoids ". Usually accompanied by setting examples. They will normally utilize the weak for this purpose (crucifixion)
In order to scare the rest(strong).
Unless the counter response from the sheep has a strong response (This is an uncoordinated act due to the lack of an organization(union)) .The above will be, game set and match for the PTB!
I wrote something previously regarding the survey 1-2 months ago, that the
Purpose of this survey was to spot the weaknesses of the sheep. In George Carlin's words.
Anyhow, If we are still around in abundance/sufficient numbers ,the message to the PTB is that its bluff and thus we are owned by them becomes a reasonable description( from their point of view)
I understand that you are a Cpt. , but look from the other side of the coin a total different ballgame (7/8 years FO's).
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A golden cage has many faces , amongst others the natural resistance against changes to the status quo, which is a given known fact to the managers (bean counters/'pilots')).You do not want to move on! We all resist by bitching and moaning as a relieve valve indicating our discomfort and showing that we are happy and do not intent to move, unless you leave us alone. Its a (weak)threatening posture against the Powers To Be.
The response from the PTB on the other hand is crystal clear, an unmistakable" show me your hemorrhoids ". Usually accompanied by setting examples. They will normally utilize the weak for this purpose (crucifixion)
In order to scare the rest(strong).
Unless the counter response from the sheep has a strong response (This is an uncoordinated act due to the lack of an organization(union)) .The above will be, game set and match for the PTB!
I wrote something previously regarding the survey 1-2 months ago, that the
Purpose of this survey was to spot the weaknesses of the sheep. In George Carlin's words.
Anyhow, If we are still around in abundance/sufficient numbers ,the message to the PTB is that its bluff and thus we are owned by them becomes a reasonable description( from their point of view)
I understand that you are a Cpt. , but look from the other side of the coin a total different ballgame (7/8 years FO's).
Boeingrestricted
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Fliion,
I am not disagreeing with you. As I have heard, things have degraded. I am aware of that. If I was in your shoes, I would have the same feelings. What could we? as EK pilots do in order to better our condition at EK. I think the problem is middle management. I am wondering if the top guys know about our degrading conditions. I think all the feedback never reaches TC. Could we write a letter with our concernes directly to TC?
I am not disagreeing with you. As I have heard, things have degraded. I am aware of that. If I was in your shoes, I would have the same feelings. What could we? as EK pilots do in order to better our condition at EK. I think the problem is middle management. I am wondering if the top guys know about our degrading conditions. I think all the feedback never reaches TC. Could we write a letter with our concernes directly to TC?
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Funny to read this thread.. Do you really think that top level management is not aware of the T&C's. You must be joking. Middle management is directed by the level above and so on...
The company is only interested in making more money and save costs. EK has become to big to control. People with the correct experience leaving etc. This is why things go as they go. But the T&C are programmed to be like this. Lets hope that this will not be lowered any further.
The garden too small.. Guys that house and garden is for free. Don't forget that.
The company is only interested in making more money and save costs. EK has become to big to control. People with the correct experience leaving etc. This is why things go as they go. But the T&C are programmed to be like this. Lets hope that this will not be lowered any further.
The garden too small.. Guys that house and garden is for free. Don't forget that.
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My two cents is the following.
Create a group of pilots and look into the current situation. Seek professional advice and come out with a plan and solution for EK. FACTS
To complain and damage the airlines name and brand will not make things better.. This has happened somewhere very ultra low cost down in Europe.
The best option is to stay on speaking terms!
Create a group of pilots and look into the current situation. Seek professional advice and come out with a plan and solution for EK. FACTS
To complain and damage the airlines name and brand will not make things better.. This has happened somewhere very ultra low cost down in Europe.
The best option is to stay on speaking terms!
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When I came here 4 years ago for the interview I was shown a lovely villa in a nice part of Dubai, that´s what I sold to the wife. Arriving here we got placed in what should not be described as anything less than a dump, with zero possibility of moving to another location, even though people arriving after me got allocated houses similar to what was shown in the HR tour...
But by all means, come here and see for yourself. Just bookmark this thread so you can come back and see how right we were and how wrong you were...
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lospilotos,
You are underestimating me. But thats ok. Ive been in DXB and seen all accommodations without any interview or assessment. I was lucky not to join 5 years ago. I did very thorough ground work. But its not as bad as written here on this forum. Things are not better than in Europe or Asia for example.
My wife did not even like silicon oases for example. Indian ranges came close.. If we join- its definitely for other reasons than for accommodation. Not to speak about the little horses site. But in the end- emirates is offering you a roof and did not speak about sizes of gardens etc. They showed you- the kind of best- in their own interest.
I would like to warn you on this case. Because all of your possible new employers will do the same. Don't fall in the same trap again! You've been warned..
You are underestimating me. But thats ok. Ive been in DXB and seen all accommodations without any interview or assessment. I was lucky not to join 5 years ago. I did very thorough ground work. But its not as bad as written here on this forum. Things are not better than in Europe or Asia for example.
My wife did not even like silicon oases for example. Indian ranges came close.. If we join- its definitely for other reasons than for accommodation. Not to speak about the little horses site. But in the end- emirates is offering you a roof and did not speak about sizes of gardens etc. They showed you- the kind of best- in their own interest.
I would like to warn you on this case. Because all of your possible new employers will do the same. Don't fall in the same trap again! You've been warned..
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Marsellus,
For someone who isn't at EK, you seem to show a huge amount of interest in declaring the current pilot's don't know what they're talking about.
It would appear that you are very pro-management, and very probably nothing more than mere management troll.
For someone who isn't at EK, you seem to show a huge amount of interest in declaring the current pilot's don't know what they're talking about.
It would appear that you are very pro-management, and very probably nothing more than mere management troll.
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My wife did not even like silicon oases for example. Indian ranges came close..
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Why are you copying threads? Do you really don't have anything else to do?
Why don't you just get me the info I was seeking for...
Why don't you just get me the info I was seeking for...
I'm always willing to help people out when I can.
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The best advice I can give you is to ignore EVERYONE on the internet.
Swallow this pill I give you and watch this:
https://youtu.be/9cQgQIMlwWw
Swallow this pill I give you and watch this:
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Marcelus, it's fairly simple, salary is in no way keeping pace with inflation.
I think my post was pretty clear about that.
As to savings, good luck with that if you have kids or want any kind of life.
I think my post was pretty clear about that.
As to savings, good luck with that if you have kids or want any kind of life.
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Just did a quick calculation based on my movement up the seniority list v where I was 6 months ago.
5.5% attrition in the last 6 months, but I suppose 3% are being counted as retirees
5.5% attrition in the last 6 months, but I suppose 3% are being counted as retirees