Reap what you sow....EK
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Talking to management? They know exactly what is going on, but choose not to admit to any mismanagement. Flight cancellations will wake them up but not pilots.
There are as many reasons to leave as there are reasons to join. Very different, very personal. My time is up, after 8 years, and I had a good run. Unfortunately, things have deteriorated ever since I joined and I don't see myself flying 100 hrs until retirement (that would amount to another 15.000hrs). My quality of work has gone down, and since it is not quality that EK is looking for, but quantity, there's no reason for me to stay.
I sincerely hope that live-balance issues change for the better for those of you who stay.
Cheers guys
There are as many reasons to leave as there are reasons to join. Very different, very personal. My time is up, after 8 years, and I had a good run. Unfortunately, things have deteriorated ever since I joined and I don't see myself flying 100 hrs until retirement (that would amount to another 15.000hrs). My quality of work has gone down, and since it is not quality that EK is looking for, but quantity, there's no reason for me to stay.
I sincerely hope that live-balance issues change for the better for those of you who stay.
Cheers guys
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Just out of curiosity…
Do any of you or our colleagues at EK think things will get better at EK in the future?
I realize those on Pprune are generally considered the vocal minority but honestly…. does anyone here REALLY think this place will get better?
I've kept saying to myself, "hang in there, its got to get better… can't get much worse". Yet, every 6 months or so give or take…. sure enough… it gets worse!
Have any of you flown with colleagues who really think it will get better here? For me, not even a huge pay rise will do the trick….
Kap
FYI… I do NOT!
Do any of you or our colleagues at EK think things will get better at EK in the future?
I realize those on Pprune are generally considered the vocal minority but honestly…. does anyone here REALLY think this place will get better?
I've kept saying to myself, "hang in there, its got to get better… can't get much worse". Yet, every 6 months or so give or take…. sure enough… it gets worse!
Have any of you flown with colleagues who really think it will get better here? For me, not even a huge pay rise will do the trick….
Kap
FYI… I do NOT!
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I put up a post on another thread asking that very question, does anyone think it is going to get better at Emirates and no one answered in the affirmative.
I know ppprune is just a slice of the pilot population but I haven't found any pilot in the last 6 months that says it is going to get better. Most are unhappy and dispondent about way things have turned out at Emirates. I know some pilots have nowhere to go so they are more dispondent but I have not found anyone that says they are happy and means it.
Here's hoping for some positive replies from those applications that went out and here's hoping for 15-16 weeks profit share. A double dose of good news.
I know ppprune is just a slice of the pilot population but I haven't found any pilot in the last 6 months that says it is going to get better. Most are unhappy and dispondent about way things have turned out at Emirates. I know some pilots have nowhere to go so they are more dispondent but I have not found anyone that says they are happy and means it.
Here's hoping for some positive replies from those applications that went out and here's hoping for 15-16 weeks profit share. A double dose of good news.
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Kapt, as Ive stated before I believe that this May is fundamentally critical for the future of EK.
Like you literally everyone who I have flown with over the last 6 months has had enough, no life, no recovery time and no improvement coming down the tracks.
Someone mentioned that 40% of whatever new joiners arrive are to replace guys who have left, the maths of that being a sustainable policy just doesn't add up long term.
A new joiner FO from Europe I flew with the other day said EVERY Captain whom he had flown with on the line was gearing up to leave depending on the May announcement.
Mrs A and myself are slap bang in that group too as are most of my chums.
There's a storm coming that is for sure.
Like you literally everyone who I have flown with over the last 6 months has had enough, no life, no recovery time and no improvement coming down the tracks.
Someone mentioned that 40% of whatever new joiners arrive are to replace guys who have left, the maths of that being a sustainable policy just doesn't add up long term.
A new joiner FO from Europe I flew with the other day said EVERY Captain whom he had flown with on the line was gearing up to leave depending on the May announcement.
Mrs A and myself are slap bang in that group too as are most of my chums.
There's a storm coming that is for sure.
short flights long nights
I don't think a storm is coming....I think it's allready arrived.
And I have the feeling that the new rostering system will be the next kicker.
And I have the feeling that the new rostering system will be the next kicker.
short flights long nights
You're welcome to walk with us mate. Be nice to share a coffee, but as I keep telling you...I am not buying a boat 
And Gusz......sorry not on this forum.
And Gusz......sorry not on this forum.
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so all this hiring wont stop the 90 plus hours in the next year(s) to come???
i mean how many more will reduce this frenzy of hours?
considering the orders they will receive?
i mean how many more will reduce this frenzy of hours?
considering the orders they will receive?
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I've always wondered if indeed companies here in the region do indeed reap what they sow....seems they all start with reasonable folks highly experienced in their field, who then move on, leaving it to hordes of middle managers who wreak havoc, cutting, slashing left and right, present their "accomplishments" then disappear back to wobbly-head land, leaving a trail of destruction which is followed again and again by the followers, who have no interest in anything other than appeasing their seniors, collecting their rewards, and again disappear, leaving things worse off than they were when they arrived, and the folks who do have an interest in making things work, in an unsustainable, and undesirable work environment..shame really that...
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"I've always wondered if indeed companies here in the region do indeed reap what they sow....seems they all start with reasonable folks highly experienced in their field, who then move on, leaving it to hordes of middle managers who wreak havoc, cutting, slashing left and right, present their "accomplishments" then disappear back to wobbly-head land, leaving a trail of destruction which is followed again and again by the followers, who have no interest in anything other than appeasing their seniors, collecting their rewards, and again disappear, leaving things worse off than they were when they arrived, and the folks who do have an interest in making things work, in an unsustainable, and undesirable work environment..shame really that..."
That has been demonstrated virtually everywhere south of the Sahara I am afraid. Once the " locals" get involved you are well and truly stuffed. It will get worse.
That has been demonstrated virtually everywhere south of the Sahara I am afraid. Once the " locals" get involved you are well and truly stuffed. It will get worse.
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The only solution to EK manning woes is to have sufficient crews to sustain rosters around 75hrs. Problem is, nobody wants to come and work 92hrs every month with no leave and no credit for ground duties or leave.It would appear as though our current leadership 'team' is well out of his depth with ill-conceived initiatives and screaming rant sessions the daily norm. Highly experienced senior managers valuable input is constantly ignored, completely inappropriate management appointments made on the basis of wasta... and so the list goes on...
There has been a significant increase in the number of pilots actively considering other options in recent months and the surprising thing is it's not just Captain's who have been here for 'long enough' - FO's approaching command are looking to go elsewhere.
It feels like this is the decision point for EK - fundamental leadership attitude change, or gradual descent into disaster...
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Hate to say I told you so...
We all saw this train wreck coming! Seems all the other airlines are wise to the situation at EK... Coming to Dubai to " Bring you home" and offer "Friendly atmosphere "
Our management really need to pull their head out
" Quality of life "No more working us to the MAX and stop treating us like prisoners with restrictions on our rosters
Reap what you sow...
J
