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Reap what you sow....EK

Old 16th Mar 2015, 10:47
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There must have been some extra bits involved if JA has to get involved with someones roster.
One of my neighbours is fleet management and told me of some who refuse to go to Kabul.
That l can understand!
But not being demanded to work on a day off.

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Old 16th Mar 2015, 10:49
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Have to agree, a day is a day off. Just say NO, nothing will happen.
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Old 16th Mar 2015, 12:56
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After reading some of the previous posts, simply not answering the phone seems to be the best policy as far as I can see.

With so many idiots phoning you up in Dubai trying to sell you something or typing in the wrong number, I don't answer the phone unless I know the number and wish to speak to them. The bank stopped bothering me a while back with their sales calls. Bliss
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Old 16th Mar 2015, 13:13
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The big picture...

Answer the phone don't answer the phone?

My curiosity gets the better of me as I always wonder if it was that little honey that I met down route, offering me the wild night that I missed out on.... Needless to say my hopes are dashed as it's usually Kumar from the bank or Senga from some investment company

The point is don't become part of the problem and give up precious free time so the money grabbers can cut corners and work us all so hard.

They want more flights...... Get more pilots.

They not getting the numbers...... Offer a better package than the guys down the road.

They want a better standard of candidate..... Don't pay peanuts.

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Old 16th Mar 2015, 13:43
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Slight change of topic but a lot guys refer to a better package down the road. Can someone substantiate that.
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Old 16th Mar 2015, 14:35
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[QUOTE=fatbus;8903825]Slight change of topic but a lot guys refer to a better package down the road. Can someone substantiate that.[/QUOTE
EK road show Hk..a shambles.offer was crap.unless they want or need bottom of barrel crews..EK need to open their eyes..or taje off their Gucci shades and see reality.pay 20% above industry and see the guys move..at least from the South China Sea..which Turkey even runs these road circuses?
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Old 16th Mar 2015, 15:06
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If You are unhappy in your job, grow a pair and vote with your feet!
C4, that's not an original suggestion. It's also not helpful because it's not the job or even the company (both of which are quite good) with which many pilots here are so unhappy; the problem is some of our fellow employees in management.

These office individuals work for the same company as we pilots do but their attitudes and approaches to their jobs are all wrong for the long term health of this airline, and the crewing issues you read about in this thread are merely one symptom of this malaise. Current pilots are leaving and other pilots are not joining not because of the job or the company but because of the management techniques employed by our office "colleagues" here.

These said employees are a scourge in this company and are affecting the outlook, attitude and work ethic of so many other employees that their continued employment here is a threat to all our wellbeing. We have one group of employees fouling the work environment (and in some cases home environment) for a large number of the rest and the result of this abuse is finally coming home to roost.

It's not that these management people are inherently unpleasant, at least not when they start here, but the company has an inherent flaw in its structure: many management (I believe it's VP and above) are employed under bonus-driven arrangements and this leads to a short-term interest on their behalf which leads to everyone else paying for those bonuses.

One more thing, C4: telling people to "like it or leave" is water off a duck's back these days. After so many floggings, most of us know how to take a hit and roll with it.
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Old 17th Mar 2015, 06:11
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Answer the phone, or not...

Better prep the wife as after my mobile rang out and the home phone went to answering machine, my wife got a call asking where I was!!

We actually enjoy our time together, so she politely told them what they can do with their phone.

Also, cover your arse and if out of DXB, submit the off base notification.....

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Old 17th Mar 2015, 21:50
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Top 15 companies to work for in the UAE

Interesting to note (although not surprising) that EK wasn't mentioned in the 15 best companies to work for in the UAE, based on a survey that was published in the Gulf News. DHL won the top spot.

These winning companies, representing a wide cross section of sectors including logistics, technology, finance, media, retail, hospitality and manufacturing, were chosen based on confidential employee feedback on workplace culture.

Many of these companies have employee-focused initiatives that are designed to help staff advance in their careers and enjoy a better work-life balance, thus the benchmarking study serves as a great guide for jobseekers when looking for new employment opportunities.
Don't think we would have come close.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 07:56
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"...enjoy a better work-life balance..."

As someone mentioned to me, at EK, work/life balance is; if you have a life, you aren't working enough!
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 08:54
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The work-life balance we have now seems to be to good........
They are seriously looking at implementing the new ftl and also limit the days off at 9 per month and not more than 3 in a row.......
That means that we could easily fly 110 or more hours per month.......
If that will be true it is going to be a real interesting year for recruitment and resignation rate.........
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 10:09
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......and for the sickness rate too.

Then we'll have even more F/O's being threatened with delayed upgrade due sickness and more will leave. Those that fly sick pass it on to others, they go sick, crew shortage increases and so it goes on and on...

It's like watching a bunch of drunken idiots trying to put a fire out with petrol. Completely ineffective but spectacular to watch.

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Old 18th Mar 2015, 10:14
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But I honestly think that they will not implement such changes.......
it would really be a suicide ..........
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 11:29
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It is suicide ff, but do they have a choice. They have put themselves in this position with optimised manpower planning and tough management that now when the tide has turned, they have no options. To keep the operation going, they will likely resort to this. Of course resignations/sickness/discontent/fatigue will go up as margins to safety are eroded. Interesting space to watch. I'll be looking elsewhere like a lot of others I think.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 12:49
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330 rosters can't get any worse! And the great news for captains is no 380 transfers until October at the earliest!!
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 13:15
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It seems that 14 777 cpt resigned on the same day a few weeks ago.....
Is it true?
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 13:25
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Heard that too flare though I don't know if its true. two guys down the road from me resigned recently for Korean and spoke to two more planning to resign imminently and go back to the US.
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 20:19
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7 resigned sometime in the last few weeks on the same day - apparently HR believe it is due to them waiting to ensure they get any profit share.

Official attrition is up 'slightly' at 2%. However, rumor is anyone over the age of 50 who leaves is 'retiring' not resigning
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 20:46
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Having looked at alternative employers recently, one thing that struck me was the number of Emirates guys looking also. When I asked them it came mostly down to three main integrated reasons, amount of flying, fatigue and lack of leave. Most said if these issues were resolved then they would be reasonably content but that at present these easier were souring their vew and thus the reason for them looking. Partly with this information, I decided to pull my application.
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 23:07
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Those would be my exact reasons as well.

You'd think they'd realize this and to stop the flow of resignations, try to do something about it. But this type of thinking is simply not their culture nor is their quest to make this a decent place to work.

Pity.... EK is so close to being such a great flying job, but alas....


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