Open Skies Report - EK/QR/EY - Interesting Read
Some sausages in the "dirty foreigners only" section of Waitrose are produced in the UAE. It's not really surprising in the UAE - Pounds over Principles! I'm told that if the floor of the pig farm isn't touching the precious sand of the UAE then the angry sky fairy can't see it and all is well.
I do wonder, moving back to aviation, if the airlines of the civilised parts of the world got together and agreed to spend a few hundred millions on pilot recruitment (even if they don't need them) they could shut down the ME3 overnight. Just do what the locals do and pay ex-ME pilots to not even turn up to work. Net result - no more EK/EY/QR.
I do wonder, moving back to aviation, if the airlines of the civilised parts of the world got together and agreed to spend a few hundred millions on pilot recruitment (even if they don't need them) they could shut down the ME3 overnight. Just do what the locals do and pay ex-ME pilots to not even turn up to work. Net result - no more EK/EY/QR.
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The milk here comes from milk powder.
Agree on the pilot recruitment. I can't understand why the Big 3 doesn't hire every Sand pilot away. That would probably be around $30,000 to replace each pilot but the more important question is can they even replace the pilots at this stage. Not too many pilots want to come to the sand anymore.
Agree on the pilot recruitment. I can't understand why the Big 3 doesn't hire every Sand pilot away. That would probably be around $30,000 to replace each pilot but the more important question is can they even replace the pilots at this stage. Not too many pilots want to come to the sand anymore.
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Cerbus, you can even go and meet the cows
Fun at the Farm ? join us on our tour!: Al Rawabi Dairy
As to the thread. The market will decide and my view is that bleating from the big 3 will go by the wayside as a casualty of the strategic partnership between the USA and UAE. The reality is there are bigger fish to fry!
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As to the thread. The market will decide and my view is that bleating from the big 3 will go by the wayside as a casualty of the strategic partnership between the USA and UAE. The reality is there are bigger fish to fry!
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Meanwhile, back at the thread, those of you undistracted by the powdered milk horror might consider this:
This could actually work out quite well for EK. The rag says today that they are assembling a big team to go to the States and present their case as being a true airline business. I believe they will be able to do this because I believe they are indeed just such a thing.
Meanwhile, the Abu Dhabi and Doha circuses, which are patently self-aggrandising publicity stunts, merrily and randomly throwing excess capacity in every direction possible with no hope or intent of ever making a profit will look more than a little foolish.
It's all good.
This could actually work out quite well for EK. The rag says today that they are assembling a big team to go to the States and present their case as being a true airline business. I believe they will be able to do this because I believe they are indeed just such a thing.
Meanwhile, the Abu Dhabi and Doha circuses, which are patently self-aggrandising publicity stunts, merrily and randomly throwing excess capacity in every direction possible with no hope or intent of ever making a profit will look more than a little foolish.
It's all good.
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Cerbus:
They don't hire them because they talked so much s--- about the Legacies over the last decade which left a bad taste to the HR people and their associate recruiting departments.
Now as far as experience PIC is more desirable than SIC on a widebody and that's a fact
They will seek a Turbo prop PIC before widebody cruising and sleeping 30 percent of their logbook hrs
They don't hire them because they talked so much s--- about the Legacies over the last decade which left a bad taste to the HR people and their associate recruiting departments.
Now as far as experience PIC is more desirable than SIC on a widebody and that's a fact
They will seek a Turbo prop PIC before widebody cruising and sleeping 30 percent of their logbook hrs
But they hire European refugees that worked in South America paokara?
I think the fellas here should do just fine.
I think the fellas here should do just fine.
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Here goes my point of view 
Nobody claims that the ME3 shouldn't exist. But it became a oversubsidized industry with unlimited access to free financing resulting in a world dominance that was built with unfair competition.
There's is nothing unique about the ME3 that couldn't be copied by others. Their incredible annual results are simply a result of unfair competition.
...Apart from the fact that you have to be socially handicapped to enjoy life in the Middle East.
Nobody claims that the ME3 shouldn't exist. But it became a oversubsidized industry with unlimited access to free financing resulting in a world dominance that was built with unfair competition.
There's is nothing unique about the ME3 that couldn't be copied by others. Their incredible annual results are simply a result of unfair competition.
...Apart from the fact that you have to be socially handicapped to enjoy life in the Middle East.
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Thanks for the correction on the cows. I am still ducking.
I flew with a food exporter from NZ a few years back and he mentioned that all of the milk was from milk powder and that made since since I never saw any farms around here. Things change I know.
The legacies are probably going about this subsidies arguement the wrong avenue. They should be saying that there is no government oversight here meaning the airlines can do whatever they want to its employees.
Unions are outlawed so everyone knows what that means.
Timmy is in DC now trying to temper the legacies momentum. He will probably win because at the end of the day companies might not like the trade practices but the U.S. government loves open trade.
There goes American jobs.
I flew with a food exporter from NZ a few years back and he mentioned that all of the milk was from milk powder and that made since since I never saw any farms around here. Things change I know.
The legacies are probably going about this subsidies arguement the wrong avenue. They should be saying that there is no government oversight here meaning the airlines can do whatever they want to its employees.
Unions are outlawed so everyone knows what that means.
Timmy is in DC now trying to temper the legacies momentum. He will probably win because at the end of the day companies might not like the trade practices but the U.S. government loves open trade.
There goes American jobs.
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DonpeZmeov:
They sure do hire Europeans from SA not refuges though and here is why :because they know not to bash the Legacies
Enjoy it there I am sure you will be just fine.... Don
They sure do hire Europeans from SA not refuges though and here is why :because they know not to bash the Legacies
Enjoy it there I am sure you will be just fine.... Don
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The white paper brings up some interesting points.
For example, where does all that team sponsorship money come from for any of the ME3?
Thats a sh!t load of tickets you have to sell just to place your name on a football jersey (x10), stadium, tournament, track, event, course.........
Plus all the advertising that goes with it.
Then again maybe the lords of the three do supply the funds for such frivolities.
Another thing is the association of QR and AA through their Oneworld alliance.
Am sure the Qatari Baker is singing AA CEO's praises at the moment in the group meetings.
halas
(Also dairies have been in the UAE for over thirty years Cerbus...It's not new.)
For example, where does all that team sponsorship money come from for any of the ME3?
Thats a sh!t load of tickets you have to sell just to place your name on a football jersey (x10), stadium, tournament, track, event, course.........
Plus all the advertising that goes with it.
Then again maybe the lords of the three do supply the funds for such frivolities.
Another thing is the association of QR and AA through their Oneworld alliance.
Am sure the Qatari Baker is singing AA CEO's praises at the moment in the group meetings.
halas
(Also dairies have been in the UAE for over thirty years Cerbus...It's not new.)
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Open Skies reminds me of a passage from Brothers Karamazov.
Says Fyodor Dostoyevsky “Above all, don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others."
Says Fyodor Dostoyevsky “Above all, don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others."
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Germany now is revisiting the open skies with the 3
France and Spain is considering opening the can of warms
LH IBERIA KLM/AIRFRANCE finally are almost on Board with the 3 in the US
They are all reviewing the 50 so pages of allegations brought up by the 3 legacies in the US
France and Spain is considering opening the can of warms
LH IBERIA KLM/AIRFRANCE finally are almost on Board with the 3 in the US
They are all reviewing the 50 so pages of allegations brought up by the 3 legacies in the US
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Well if they think attrition is high now...
If this 'global legacy' response takes hold and is effective....watch out because most guys I know like to be at the front of the herd when it moves...and then maybe the fact that Karma hasn't visited here yet...will reliably Pay us a call...as it has since the beginning ..
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If this 'global legacy' response takes hold and is effective....watch out because most guys I know like to be at the front of the herd when it moves...and then maybe the fact that Karma hasn't visited here yet...will reliably Pay us a call...as it has since the beginning ..
f.
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Humble SLF but a regular Business class passenger with you on approx 8 - 10 sectors a month. Also lived in Mid East for a time in 1980,s so I do understand some of the issues you have with your ultimate employer, and to some extent the region. However I would take issue with anything said by American carriers about central govt, as what they need to improve to better the ME3, is to quit complaining, and do something with there service levels and their tired aircraft. Currently even though EK is not as good as it was with regards customer service, in say 2001, the levels of service and facilities far out strip those of the majority of A/C in the big 3 US carriers. Your cabin crews maybe tired, but they are still a mile better than those on US carriers re customer focus and service. It is still a good product as a customer, as compared with the opposition outside the Middle East.
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Humble SLF but a regular Business class passenger with you on approx 8 - 10 sectors a month. Also lived in Mid East for a time in 1980,s so I do understand some of the issues you have with your ultimate employer, and to some extent the region. However I would take issue with anything said by American carriers about central govt, as what they need to improve to better the ME3, is to quit complaining, and do something with there service levels and their tired aircraft. Currently even though EK is not as good as it was with regards customer service, in say 2001, the levels of service and facilities far out strip those of the majority of A/C in the big 3 US carriers. Your cabin crews maybe tired, but they are still a mile better than those on US carriers re customer focus and service. It is still a good product as a customer, as compared with the opposition outside the Middle East.
Regards
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CNBC interview with TC.
Emirates airline doesn't get govt handouts: President
..."We are about to declare some of the best profits we have produced in the 30 year history of the airline".
Emirates airline doesn't get govt handouts: President
..."We are about to declare some of the best profits we have produced in the 30 year history of the airline".
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A Very Interesting read.
American, Delta and United – like their European brethren – lost this particular debate about 23 years ago. Now they have only two realistic options: find some way, or ways to compete effectively and profitably with the Gulf carriers, or withdraw from international markets where they can’t compete profitably against Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways.
In Debate Vs. Persian Gulf Carriers U.S.'s Big Three Airlines Can't Win - Even If They Win - Forbes
American, Delta and United – like their European brethren – lost this particular debate about 23 years ago. Now they have only two realistic options: find some way, or ways to compete effectively and profitably with the Gulf carriers, or withdraw from international markets where they can’t compete profitably against Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways.
In Debate Vs. Persian Gulf Carriers U.S.'s Big Three Airlines Can't Win - Even If They Win - Forbes
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concerning EK:
Our beloved leader is busy speaking to US lawmakers and the press, just as writing to his subjects about how unfair the campaign is and how much he wants to compete in the skies and not in parliaments.
Well, at the same time the US travel website Hopper.com published its survey of the 10 best results of food service in Economy. EK fell out of it! To be fair, and by no means surprised, no US airline made it either. But fierce competitors like Singapur, Cathay and Etihad did.
(1. Thai, 2. Turkish, 3. Asiana, 4. Etihad, 5. Cathay, 6. Singapur, 7. ANA, 8. Eva, 9. Garuda and 10 ........ Lufthansa!!)
It would bode well to up our service and food beyond direct competitors before going down the slippery path and brand others of lesser service.
Maybe the treatment of the personnel, on ground and in the skies, could prove a better start than boasting, pretending and writing?
Our beloved leader is busy speaking to US lawmakers and the press, just as writing to his subjects about how unfair the campaign is and how much he wants to compete in the skies and not in parliaments.
Well, at the same time the US travel website Hopper.com published its survey of the 10 best results of food service in Economy. EK fell out of it! To be fair, and by no means surprised, no US airline made it either. But fierce competitors like Singapur, Cathay and Etihad did.
(1. Thai, 2. Turkish, 3. Asiana, 4. Etihad, 5. Cathay, 6. Singapur, 7. ANA, 8. Eva, 9. Garuda and 10 ........ Lufthansa!!)
It would bode well to up our service and food beyond direct competitors before going down the slippery path and brand others of lesser service.
Maybe the treatment of the personnel, on ground and in the skies, could prove a better start than boasting, pretending and writing?