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Old 18th Feb 2015, 14:57
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EK Website has DEC 330

I just clicked on the ever present EK ad on PPRuNe for First Officers. It took me to the group careers website and much to my surprise there is a link for A330 DEC positions, posted today at 1400.
Am I mistaken?
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 15:23
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Yep, it's there.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 15:40
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There's even a fkin AD for the position !

Feel really sorry for the FOs waiting their turn...

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Old 18th Feb 2015, 15:48
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All the F/O's who join Emirates know that they hire DEC's it's happened enough times over the years. It's not ideal but if you join as an F/O there is always a risk this will happen.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 15:54
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Feel really sorry for the FOs waiting their turn...

Dont feel sorry for them not upgrading, feel sorry that they are stuck on that damn fleet.
Even as Capt, it still stinks.(sux)

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 16:01
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Jeez, another nail in the coffin of morale...
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 16:15
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EK hired DEC's the last 15 years and even longer, they always will, it was discussed many times
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 16:19
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I'm sure no one surprised but what would have been appropriate from mgt is an email explaining current situation.

I'm not saying it would soften the blow for those who were close - that now are further.

Just a little professional respect in light of the fact that this will have work & financial implications for those FOS who have been working so hard over the past years with the 'Command' light at end of tunnel.

They just never miss an opportunity....to miss an opportunity..

The concept of management is to represent your employer's wishes...we get it...but no mgt/grad school would ever teach ignoring the employees aspirations....it's a fine balance.

Just an email would have shown a minute semblance of care.

Not a chance

This airline aspires to be one of the great airlines of the world...to those of you considering joing - think of some of the great brands out there - now stop, take a step back and ask yourself...do I want to join an outfit that had just bypassed loyal employees for advancement- and the only way these employees heard about it was through an ad. You cannot make this up.



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Old 18th Feb 2015, 17:49
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I am so sorry with all the A330 FO working in EK, that will be a mess for the people... time to look outside??
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 18:01
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Only a rumour, but 60 DEC for the 777 and 40 DEC for the 330 this year. The 330 DEC are to release 330 Capts to the 380, and will stay for on 330 till there end date. Boeing DEC to give some relief to training and recruiting.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 18:15
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Kind of puts those ads EK are running touting a move to the left seat into perspective.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 19:09
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Gillegan, well said!!

The management of this place never ceases to amaze me!!!
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 20:02
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What I don't understand is at what stage of your entry into, & career with, Emirates you actually believed that you are viewed with any more respect than a Phillipino Chamber Maid ? did you really believe that ? why do you think so many people are NOT beating a path to your door ?
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 21:43
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...why do you think so many people are NOT beating a path to your door ?
And therein lies the problem. In spite of more than 10 years of negative press on this board people ARE still 'beating a path' to EKs door.

A reminder of what goes on here.
Already this year in less than 7 weeks we have had:

Removal of passenger load data from the internal company website making subload travel impossible to plan with any accuracy.

Removal of self-certification for short term illness for cabin crew.

Annual leave entitlements not met with some crew having no leave for periods of 18 months or more.

New FTLs that don't include ULR bunk time towards 100 hours/28 days and 900 hours/12 months.

Today we have the return of DECs. Ironically the only seat I would consider if I was joining EK now would be as a DEC.

Before year end we will have the new rostering system expected to include no more than 5 choices each month and never more than 3 consecutive days off.

And so on...
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 23:25
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This is going to a whole new level!

2015 is not a pleasant year

A bonus will follow to alleviate the impact .. But once the money is ravisly and swiftly spent .. This space is going to be visited everyday
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Old 19th Feb 2015, 03:37
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This is really far more significant than previous DEC hiring events. This is not because there is a shortage of upgrade candidates and it's not because the training department is overwhelmed, this is because not enough suitable FO candidates are applying. But instead of immediately responding to the situation with a change in pay and conditions, they are putting a band aid over a severed artery. This will have the effect of increasing resignations and reducing applications. They are creating their own demise very successfully.
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Old 19th Feb 2015, 06:25
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"Kick Em While Their Down", the ongoing management motto lives up, or rather down to its sorry expectations. The three foot from right seat to left seat just go further.
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Old 19th Feb 2015, 08:19
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To those FO's affected (sincerest bad luck) but you were warned here before joining, you made your choice/mistake to join EK now live with it please.

To those FO's who are thinking about coming, please re-read the above.

No one is at fault, except yourself, for signing up to the EK way of doing things. You have 2 choices........

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Old 19th Feb 2015, 09:28
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Guys i am currently working in REC for some other airline.....i don't know about EK but over here we always higher DEC but our F/O's have priority. opening up for DEC will never stop internal upgrades but from a man power planning point of view when you short on captains u just simply need to higher captains because training an F/O will take time and as much as we love upgrades some one has to occupy that right seat as well.

i know it sux if you where a skipper and join EK on the right and now the job is open for DEC...but i guess we have to accept the decisions we make in life.
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Old 19th Feb 2015, 10:26
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.... i don't know about EK but over here we always ....
Heavy, this is the epitome of naïveté of pilots aspiring or dreaming of EK. No insult intended, merely stating the obvious.

Before even contemplating of applying, or contributing to EK threads, read all that has been written. Especially about the changes of conditions since 2008. Do your homework!

The "over here we did" and "in my former company" is only suited to either bring your morale to a new low or make a complete fool out of yourself. Here, they don't give a rodents backside about the rest of the world.

Any FO, and by that i mean, each and every FO, joining EK at this stage must be either out of a job and in dire need of doe, or naive to the point of being almost dangerous in a modern 2-man cockpit.

The conditions are not the worst of the world, but as pilots we should be used in reading trends and take avoiding action before impact. The trend here is pointing to a hard impact!

Most of us warning on these sites are not outright against EK or Dubai, most have done their homework before joining and were satisfied with what was to expect. Not one of us however expected these managers capable of such "treason" and capable of changing almost all T&C's to deteriorate the conditions to that point.

We are merely extrapolating our experience and thus having to paint a really dire picture of what will be EK in a few months and years. They got away with so much, no one cared, no customer was afraid, no manager stood up, no regulator stepped in, neither the local ones nor the ones of countries visited by this outfit.

They will continue, that's for sure. There's no one to stop them!
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