Delta CEO CNN Interview About ME3
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Delta CEO CNN Interview About ME3
It's definitely starting to heat up. Full interview at bottom of linked page.
Delta CEO Associates Gulf Carriers With 9/11 Terrorists in Open Skies Fight ? Skift
Delta CEO Associates Gulf Carriers With 9/11 Terrorists in Open Skies Fight ? Skift
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It would be extremely interesting to see where Mr Anderson found the “documented evidence that can’t be refuted of tens of billions of dollars in direct government subsidies.”
He is essentially calling certain EK executives liars, who have, since the launch of Emirates, maintained that the Government of Dubai granted a once-off $10 million loan to EK as start-up capital - which we know has since been repaid many times over.
And Chapter 11 is in no way government assistance?
To somehow link the Middle East carriers with the barbaric events of 9/11 is way offside. Maybe Mr Anderson needs to be reminded that it wasn't just the US carriers who suffered from those events.
He is essentially calling certain EK executives liars, who have, since the launch of Emirates, maintained that the Government of Dubai granted a once-off $10 million loan to EK as start-up capital - which we know has since been repaid many times over.
And Chapter 11 is in no way government assistance?
To somehow link the Middle East carriers with the barbaric events of 9/11 is way offside. Maybe Mr Anderson needs to be reminded that it wasn't just the US carriers who suffered from those events.
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To somehow link the Middle East carriers with the barbaric events of 9/11 is way offside. Maybe Mr Anderson needs to be reminded that it wasn't just the US carriers who suffered from those events.
EDIT: Having watched the video I don't think he was using 9/11 rhetoric against Emirates. But I stand by my statement, its applicable in general.
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Basically what Mr Anderson is saying is that he wants the rope when he is drowning, but he also wants the rope to pull him along to win the race as well! Utter madness if you ask me!
Another point he makes, which is absolute ludicrous, when he says that the consumer wants a fair competition, now excuse me if I'm wrong here, but when I fly home I don't fly with british airways because they are my country's airline, I find the cheapest fare to whom that may be with!
Basically they can't compete with airlines here on numerous things whether it be, service, aircraft quality, on demand products, catering, needless I say much about the crew on delta.
Just my two cents worth, or two dirhams worth!
OMAA
Another point he makes, which is absolute ludicrous, when he says that the consumer wants a fair competition, now excuse me if I'm wrong here, but when I fly home I don't fly with british airways because they are my country's airline, I find the cheapest fare to whom that may be with!
Basically they can't compete with airlines here on numerous things whether it be, service, aircraft quality, on demand products, catering, needless I say much about the crew on delta.
Just my two cents worth, or two dirhams worth!
OMAA
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Just as a side note. May not be entirely applicable to America as it is to the Europeans but was it not ultimately imperialist policies combined with corrupt locals that created these now economically disenfranchised "third world" countries which supply so much of the cheap labour which the Gulf thrives on?
Was it not England's choice to only use India for primary resource extraction at the behest of a few local mostly corrupt elite while not really advancing the economic standards of the masses and keeping most of the profit for themselves and the few corrupt landlords that led to the very situation we have today ?
And ultimately America has just taken over this policy. They now happily support a corrupt elite in the Gulf that pay peanuts to foreign labour (whose situation exists because of the above mentioned) while both they and their colonial masters are making billions. Anderson is just upset about because his industry is not that important in the bigger picture. Not nearly as important when you consider the amount the US elites are making from arms sales, aircraft sales, and ultimately partnerships in the oil sector - from which American companies also benefits from cheap labour (and they continue to do so throughout the world and in many industries). Anderson might as well go and make his case to the trees outside capitol hill and wait for an answer. The sound of the birds will be much sweeter than any answer he'll get from congress.
Was it not England's choice to only use India for primary resource extraction at the behest of a few local mostly corrupt elite while not really advancing the economic standards of the masses and keeping most of the profit for themselves and the few corrupt landlords that led to the very situation we have today ?
And ultimately America has just taken over this policy. They now happily support a corrupt elite in the Gulf that pay peanuts to foreign labour (whose situation exists because of the above mentioned) while both they and their colonial masters are making billions. Anderson is just upset about because his industry is not that important in the bigger picture. Not nearly as important when you consider the amount the US elites are making from arms sales, aircraft sales, and ultimately partnerships in the oil sector - from which American companies also benefits from cheap labour (and they continue to do so throughout the world and in many industries). Anderson might as well go and make his case to the trees outside capitol hill and wait for an answer. The sound of the birds will be much sweeter than any answer he'll get from congress.
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A nice reply to Mr Anderson
Just a small point on the Delta PBGC pensions. The PBGC received Delta stock in return for assuming the pension obligation. The PBGC is a private corporation that Delta paid premiums to for insuring those pensions. In the end the stock turned out to have more value then the assumed pension liabilities and the PBGC made a profit off Delta. The upside to this is by law the PBGC can't keep all that profit and has to return much of it to the effected pilots. Many Delta pilots will be paid substantially above the normal PBGC max limit.
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When asked about, claims that cabin crew need permission to get
married, and that pregnancy equals termination, during a rebuttal
interview today, AAB outright bold faced lied to Quest and said it
was "bull ****".
We all know it is not "bull ****", but in fact right on the money.
Looks like everybody is ready to lie, lie, lie in order to win this one.
married, and that pregnancy equals termination, during a rebuttal
interview today, AAB outright bold faced lied to Quest and said it
was "bull ****".
We all know it is not "bull ****", but in fact right on the money.
Looks like everybody is ready to lie, lie, lie in order to win this one.
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Year in and year out you guys are complaing about how bad the ME airlines are, how bad they treat you, how they ignore contracts, how they fire people right, left and centre.
Then somebody from the ouside dare to criticize them ME airlines, and suddenly you work for the best airlines in the world?
Then somebody from the ouside dare to criticize them ME airlines, and suddenly you work for the best airlines in the world?
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You can debate endlessly about local subsidies, political situations and events that create imbalances, regional rights and cultures and so forth.
It’s futile.
If it’s to their advantage, everyone yells for non-interference into internal affairs, if it’s to their disadvantage, everyone cries wolf and points fingers like juveniles.
The abysmal humans rights situation, or its absence, in the ME is so blatantly obvious, that we have to assume that it’s widely accepted by the “civilised” world, or else they would not continue normal trade and political relations.
Institutions like the WTO, Fair Trade or Open Skies treaties are but fig leaves for the mighty corporations, banks and corrupt government entities. To call on the earlier for fair play, being part of the latter, exposes anyone as a bigot liar.
The only situation Anderson could criticise, and by that be taken seriously because it’s his domain, is when carriers fly into the USA with either equipment that is not airworthy to US standards, due to negligence of the carrier or its regulator, or if their personnel is underqualified or overfatigued compared with minimal US standards.
That not only represents a safety hazard over US skies, but can rightfully be called an unfair advantage for such carriers.
But, ooooops, we all know the big US bosses themselves would loooove to go that low with maintenance and training standards and dream wet dreams of being able to screw their employees equally.
It’s futile.
If it’s to their advantage, everyone yells for non-interference into internal affairs, if it’s to their disadvantage, everyone cries wolf and points fingers like juveniles.
The abysmal humans rights situation, or its absence, in the ME is so blatantly obvious, that we have to assume that it’s widely accepted by the “civilised” world, or else they would not continue normal trade and political relations.
Institutions like the WTO, Fair Trade or Open Skies treaties are but fig leaves for the mighty corporations, banks and corrupt government entities. To call on the earlier for fair play, being part of the latter, exposes anyone as a bigot liar.
The only situation Anderson could criticise, and by that be taken seriously because it’s his domain, is when carriers fly into the USA with either equipment that is not airworthy to US standards, due to negligence of the carrier or its regulator, or if their personnel is underqualified or overfatigued compared with minimal US standards.
That not only represents a safety hazard over US skies, but can rightfully be called an unfair advantage for such carriers.
But, ooooops, we all know the big US bosses themselves would loooove to go that low with maintenance and training standards and dream wet dreams of being able to screw their employees equally.
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That's an exceedingly mild way of stating the situation.
Emirates is an airline.
Etihad and Qatar are publicity stunts with unlimited budgets and no intention of ever making a profit.
Emirates will be considered to be in the same group as Etihad and Qatar.
This is a major problem for Emirates.
As we see now.
Emirates is an airline.
Etihad and Qatar are publicity stunts with unlimited budgets and no intention of ever making a profit.
Emirates will be considered to be in the same group as Etihad and Qatar.
This is a major problem for Emirates.
As we see now.
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IMHO, the US3 have no chance of winning this battle. ALPA and A4A might lobby congress to alter the open skies agreement but they are going up against a formidable opponent. The lobby for ME3 would include the ruler of the UAE talking directly to the POTUS and involve billions in aircraft orders, defense contracting, and issues of national security. For all the Americans at EK that want to come back to the US3, I would stay where you are. This will have a very negative impact on your career. Especially if you are at the bottom of the list.
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Any initiative, any speech, any interview, any news, any story, any sociopolitical event, any technical breakthrough in alternative energies, any war, any revolution and any blog that can help in sending back these pathetic camel fokkers slavist exploiters back to their heritage ( fishing pearls and farming camels , to be fokked indeed ) and their Britons cronies to screw them self along with the Windsors all are very very very very welcome.
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Wow, furbpilot is taking this personally.
The reality is that this hypocrisy of the first degree. US majors have been given unfair advantage over anyone else that flies into the US or wherever those US airlines go for decades; deregulation, chapter 11, protectionism, unequal "security requirements" and general political bullying has given them massive advantage in the EU and they still couldn't capitalise on that. Now they throw their teddies out of the cot because others are doing a better job, albeit if one or two of the competition are being given unfair advantage too. It's pretty petulent behaviour.
The reality is that this hypocrisy of the first degree. US majors have been given unfair advantage over anyone else that flies into the US or wherever those US airlines go for decades; deregulation, chapter 11, protectionism, unequal "security requirements" and general political bullying has given them massive advantage in the EU and they still couldn't capitalise on that. Now they throw their teddies out of the cot because others are doing a better job, albeit if one or two of the competition are being given unfair advantage too. It's pretty petulent behaviour.
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If Delta have proof about direct subsidies I hope they will share it!!!! Time to put up or shut up! Wasn't evidence dug up that the other big airline in the UAE (unmentionable) had actually received a $4 billion subsidy? There is a lot of shell game action in the ME and everyone know it. 
If not, then QR and others need to prove otherwise to end the silly argument.
If not, then QR and others need to prove otherwise to end the silly argument.
Last edited by Iver; 18th Feb 2015 at 20:48.