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Old 13th Feb 2015, 10:48
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And the question White sausage is, why have they done just as you described?
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 10:50
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That is a question we all are asking ourselves, aren't we? But I don't think that anybody cares anymore...
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 12:21
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Even if they went back to 82 hours, even if we would get all of our contractual leave per year, even if they would compensate for all the inflation and put the pay back to what it bought before 2008, the situation would not improve .... because White Sausage got it all in his few words:

Nobody trusts them anymore
They lied to us and backstabbed us too many times to be able to get the motivation back even to the lowest standard required to stop the haemorrhage.
Most of us will leave, some earlier, some later, but all too early to keep a sustainable level of manning or experience.

Does anyone want to join such a party?
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 12:25
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I've said it before...


Why? The best metaphor I can find happens at the end of the RTGS day along with a pervasive culture of short term gain based around having no checks and balances in decision making.
I see so many parallels with the combined intelligence failures of the CIA, FBI and NSA that has led to calamity and collateral damage due to a lack of oversight and an over reliance on "data" rather than quality HUMIT, with how EK have pursued a similar HR policy based on negative interactions, fear, and of course the localization of certain key positions that places little faith or credence in their "employee" (resource) input and satisfaction.
It's now coming home to roost, and of course at certain levels there will NEVER be an admission of any culpability.
Airlines are a people business, if you treat your staff poorly, eventually the people element is lost and the business suffers, but it's only when you begin to haemorrhage staff and can't replace them that the bean counters can quantify the cost, by then however it costs 3-5 times as much to repair as it would have if you had engaged the staff originally.
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 13:51
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I am lucky I have never been threatened directly by management. But I lived with the fact that the threat could come. It is a very strange way to run a company, let alone an airline.

I was very fortunate that my bucket load of money became full at the same time as my bucket full of poo,

Good bye
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 15:09
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17 month without a single annual leave this year.....Don't even thing about joining that Cie.
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 17:37
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Thanks to all of you for your candidness.

The irony of your replies is that my company is going through the same fuchery right now. Thus, the reason I guess I'm looking elsewhere.

We are a very successful NA airline, but the philosophy of what made the brand and airline so successful has been abandoned. Now they ride the coattails of brand and the market share by offering a fetid product. The employees are being nickel and dimed to cut costs of an already lean operation.

My theory is that the more successful an airline is, without healthy competition, the more the working conditions are stolen because "they can".

You good people deserve better, and so do I. Lets hope this pilot shortage reverses the tables on the corporate greed, and we become a true commodity.

Patience wins the race.

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Old 14th Feb 2015, 01:36
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Hey guys, one more question.

With regards to the salary, is it true that every 12 months it is increased from the base by 3? I'm a little confused as the website does not make it clear.

Cheers all.
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 07:17
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The 3% increment has been held back from individuals in the past as a form of management punishment for alleged wrongdoing during the year. There is no right of appeal for this and obviously it affects your salary for the whole time you work there, and your provident fund. It is far from contractual and could be withdrawn at any time.
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 09:28
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KungFu Panda, the company say we aren't fatigued and that is good enough for the GCAA. Not sure what the crew who had a 12 hour stay in the hotel in New York after a 16 hour duty and then flew back would make of that but clearly they weren't tired either.
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 10:12
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Was that a whole crew or just the Capt that deadheaded in.?
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 10:33
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Whole crew, during the weather disruption. Summary is on the ASR reports. Nikita81 also has something to say about it on her blog. As you might imagine.

Last edited by BigGeordie; 14th Feb 2015 at 10:37. Reason: To drag Nikita into it.
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 13:04
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So they admitted to illegally operating after only 12 hours rest? You require rest at least as long as the previous duty!
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 13:35
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12 hrs in the hotel plus travel plus non paid duty time ,probably made it legal. Don't know the details
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 14:39
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Operated under ULR rules, normal FTL rules do not apply. Basically for ULR there are no minimum rest requirements. It could legally have been operated as a turnaround!
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 15:16
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OM A 7.C.4.f. + OM A 7.C.7.f
Old 14th Feb 2015, 16:31
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Also OM-A 7.C.7.h

With apologies to those who aren't EK and have no idea what we are talking about but there is no way I'm posting anything from the OM-A on a public forum.

Basically the above references say: whatever we say, goes.
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 18:09
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Thanks big Geordie, your posts are informative. Unfortunately at Emirates as I understand from another thread; The onset of Fatigue is indicated by an abnormal blood pressure. I would therefore suggest that you all Stop whinging and keep flying until you exceed 160/100. Disregard all flight time limitations as they are a burden to Airline profitability.
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 19:48
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Last edited by BigGeordie; 14th Feb 2015 at 12:37. Reason: To drag Nikita into it.
You successfully dragged me into it BG:

The real reason why Emirates Airline plans to employ 11.000 new staff | Truth about Emirates Airline Management
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Old 16th Feb 2015, 03:22
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Sausage...almost a perfect reflection on the situation at CX!!i guess the major difference with the UAE and HKG, the latter was built on 19 century semi legal trade and the former built via the slavery and blood of others...sad that EK has descended into such arrogant chaos...the reference to arrogance referring to the management and not the coal face...we were rather hoping that EK would become the shining light we could all look up to..and eventually put the two finger salute to CX to and join...even with the EK road show pitching up March 1 in HKG, the best they will get would be HK Airlines and very junior CX guys....the experience crews could never take the cash drop, the Emiratie attitude and all the pathetic short thrift that goes with it..CX in the sandpit!!!
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