DECs - It may have just gotten a lot worse
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NOT A CHANCE.
Here's why...that would alter the demand and supply curve that ALPA et al has been waiting decades for to finally arrive.
The regional guys would "shut 'Er down" before that - supported by APLA majors...for foreigners "stealing our jobs"
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NOT A CHANCE.
Here's why...that would alter the demand and supply curve that ALPA et al has been waiting decades for to finally arrive.
The regional guys would "shut 'Er down" before that - supported by APLA majors...for foreigners "stealing our jobs"
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You might want to look in the latest proposal anout green cards and pilots . US very concerned about not enough pilots . But I would have a good laugh if someone from the sub continent got a green and job withAA/UA/DL before some of the U.S. guys at EK.
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Well in fairness, there's always a chance - albeit slim.
The bottom line is the pendulum is swinging. Check out this article from 'Aviation Week' (the American FlightGlobal)
Asia-Pacific Offers Much Opportunity For Expatriate Pilots | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
To give you a flavor:
"Supply and demand in Asia translates to premium pay and opportunities for expatriate pilots: An Airbus A319 or A320 captain willing to move to China for Beijing Capital Airlines right now can earn starting pay of $290,000 a year, including various allowances, safety and retention bonuses. The same pilot could “commute” to work at Beijing Capital—one month on, one month off—and make $193,000 a year."
What grabbed my attention is not the money - but the six months work. IMO KAL is not enough time off.
Show us the $ in May.
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The bottom line is the pendulum is swinging. Check out this article from 'Aviation Week' (the American FlightGlobal)
Asia-Pacific Offers Much Opportunity For Expatriate Pilots | Commercial Aviation content from Aviation Week
To give you a flavor:
"Supply and demand in Asia translates to premium pay and opportunities for expatriate pilots: An Airbus A319 or A320 captain willing to move to China for Beijing Capital Airlines right now can earn starting pay of $290,000 a year, including various allowances, safety and retention bonuses. The same pilot could “commute” to work at Beijing Capital—one month on, one month off—and make $193,000 a year."
What grabbed my attention is not the money - but the six months work. IMO KAL is not enough time off.
Show us the $ in May.
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well that's it, F.....isn't it? It's like what someone said in another post. Many of us have been here 10 yrs or more, its not about the money exactly, but the rosters and lifestyle. one on one off.....sign me up!!
I could do that flying for another decade, easily
I could do that flying for another decade, easily
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Colleague down the road at the airline-that-dare-noth-speak-its-name, has confirmed going to 1 month on, 1 month off starting in the fall.
Alas, I think only on offer for those 50+. But good to hear it's happening.
Alas, I think only on offer for those 50+. But good to hear it's happening.
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Fliion- don't believe all that you read. The agencies publish those Salaries but they are rarely actually achievable. It is like the propaganda put out by the European training institutions to bring in young kids to the industry.
What I would say is that if you are a fit young individual who is good in the simulator then China offers better rewards over the medium term than the middle east. You do need to get your command and a small amount of left seat time before the Chinese will look at you.
What I would say is that if you are a fit young individual who is good in the simulator then China offers better rewards over the medium term than the middle east. You do need to get your command and a small amount of left seat time before the Chinese will look at you.
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When I was 62 , I and another 62 year old asked to do job share ie month on / month off at an airline just to the south of UAE . Despite the obvious benefits to said airline , ie 1200 hours Captain time for one shared salary , the muppet we were talking to did not understand the concept , thought us evil expats were up to no good , and refused . Two months later my colleague died after a stroke at the controls and I resigned . Two very experienced captains lost . Any airline that can introduce one on / one off for older crew are being very far seeing . The constant Night Returns to the sub continent were the most exhausting flying I ever did .
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The problem is that if you are there only half the time, but 75% of the pay plus all the other stuff you have to include as an employer, it doesn't make sense at even half the pay. There is still training. I would love to see these airlines offer month on month off but at how much of a reduced pay would you be willing to accept?
I think it would have to be a lot.
I think it would have to be a lot.
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A month on month off contract could easily be financially neutral for an employer. They could greatly reduce housing cost by putting pilot in a cheapish hotel, i.e the premier inn at dubai airport. Also minimise their time in Dubai by rostering only layovers. Added bonus of reduced transport costs.
If there was no schooling allowances, favouring older pilots with grown kids, these two measures would more than cover the extra training costs.
I think the problem is that the demand within the company would be so high it would exacerbate the current pilot shortage.
If there was no schooling allowances, favouring older pilots with grown kids, these two measures would more than cover the extra training costs.
I think the problem is that the demand within the company would be so high it would exacerbate the current pilot shortage.
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At the airline which shall not be mentioned it is happening. Captains only, age 50+ and must have at least 3 years service with the airline.
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The savings at a ME airline with month on/off is huge!!!! You save on housing, transport, medical, schooling etc. You really think they will keep playing schooling and housing allowances????
If they go to this model my guess is it will work as follows: your pay will still be deposted into a UAE bank acct. Your 'base' will be a virtual/rostering base and the company will roster you as they see fit - no bid etc. Taxes- your responsibilty in the country your reside in. Your pay - exactly the same rate as other collegues. Medical and schooling your own responsibility.
Those savings are SIGNIFICANT and they have the advantage of keeping the senior/experienced pilots on board.
If they go to this model my guess is it will work as follows: your pay will still be deposted into a UAE bank acct. Your 'base' will be a virtual/rostering base and the company will roster you as they see fit - no bid etc. Taxes- your responsibilty in the country your reside in. Your pay - exactly the same rate as other collegues. Medical and schooling your own responsibility.
Those savings are SIGNIFICANT and they have the advantage of keeping the senior/experienced pilots on board.
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Subject to scrutinising the fine print of the contract I would sign up for that tomorrow.
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One month on one month off is a dream and it will never happen because They want you to spend your salary in Dubai and not back home.
The whole system here is more clever than you think.
The whole system here is more clever than you think.
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Plus, in the one month on they would work you 180 hours to compensate for the one month off...same like in your vacation months. Forget it, they will never do anything that would make our life better, simply because they don't want to. Stone age "management"...
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Plus, in the one month on they would work you 180 hours to compensate for the one month off