Geting the Emirates a/c type on your UK EASA licence..!

[Mr Good Cat]

Anybody have any accurate info on how to do this with the UK CAA?

I am talking about a paperwork exercise (restricted to A6- registered aircraft only) as I don't really require the full EASA LPC for unrestricted ops.

(1) Which forms do I need?

(2) What do I need to be signed by EK (evidence of EASA approved sim etc)?

(3) Where do I post it to?

(4) What is the cost?

Many thanks if anyone can help.


MGC.

[triplese7en]

While there are a few national authorities within EASA that will allow a restricted type rating to appear on your EASA license, the UK CAA is not one of them. I enquired with them several months ago regarding this, and was told that I would need to undertake an LST with an EASA approved examiner, on an approved sim.

[Al Murdoch]

What you need is a restricted type rating based on a 3rd country licence (i.e. your GCAA licence). EASA fully provides for this but for some reason the UK CAA has decided not to adopt it.
I'm sure you know this but what it does enable you to do is to keep your EASA licence "live" without being able to actually use it. Once you have the type put onto your licence (usually for a fee) then you just send in a pdf of your LPC every 12 months and your EASA TR and licence then become valid for another year. Simples.
I can't comment on other EASA states, but the Irish Aviation Authority have fully implemented this rule and therefore might be an option for you. It's either that or pay for a full sim check every year for your UK licence. I have found the IAA to be extremely helpful and flexible and will answer any questions you may have.

[Emma Royds]

Mr Good Cat

While the thought may be daunting and time consuming, I can only recommend that you turn your back on the UK CAA and get your EASA ATPL issued in another state. Once I have renewed by medical back home in a few weeks, this is what I am going to do. It can take a few weeks for the transition to take place, as your aviation medical records need to be transferred to the different state that will issue your new licence.

I can only echo what Al Murdoch has said about the IAA who are excellent. They are very friendly and helpful and quick at responding to queries. If you send them a copy of your last PPC, they will then issue the rating on your licence.

One interesting note is that our training at EK will soon become fully EASA compliant (one reason why TRI AOs are to be a thing of the past). I am led to believe this change is being steered by the GCAA. The good news is once this takes place, then you stand a good chance of getting the likes of the IAA providing you with a unrestricted type rating in your licence. The TRE I was recently chatting to in the Volvo going home said that even after this change, he thinks it will be unlikely for the UK will follow suit and do the same.

[Mr Good Cat]

Thanks for the replies guys, very helpful.

Here was me thinking the purpose of EASA was that all the authorities would be singing from the same sheet.

No different than the Eurozone politics I suppose - pick and choose which bits you like.

I will hang fire for a while until I feel it's of some use then I might actually transfer to an Irish licence.

[Kernow 101]

Some interesting info.

I have an IAA license and am looking to add the rating to this. So, based on the above info, I just email across a copy of my last PPC and they will send a new ratings page. Or do I need to send my license with the PPC in the post and they will return with the rating added?

Presumably there is a fee for this.

Any more info on the process would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

[Al Murdoch]

I think it was about 250EUR to have the rating added initially, although I might have made this up.

[Jolly Foreigner]

I think you'll find that the GCAA wont become truly EASA but purely mirror it in terms of regulation and licencing, etc. A gulf nation couldn't become an EASA member state as it isn't contained within the EU.

[PGA]

Wrong Jolly, they could. But most probably won't for many other reasons. Switzerland and Norway are non-voting EASA members for instance.

[Andy24]

Wrong PGA. There is a big difference between Norway/Switzerland and UAE. Both countries are within Europe (though not EU member states) and have an economic agreement signed with the EU.

Norway and Switzerland are known as EFTA countries. Their citizens enter EU countries as part of the Schengen treaty. Big difference

[PGA]

In that case I stand corrected but I thought a few non efta/eu-countries are working on full easa implementation. Schengen certainly doesn't have to do with it.

[GoreTex]

so how do you renew an irish EASA ATPL then?
PPC copy and EASA medical?
how much does it cost?

[737 CL]

Hi ,
I have a uk Caa Atpl with a type rating , in case I'm flying with another non Easa ATPL license with the type rating I have in my UK Atpl .Does the UK caa allow me to get my license "live" sending the copy of my last LPC ? The problem is only if you don't have the type in the uk license?

[BANANASBANANAS]

Gore Tex,

There is a one off admin charge of converting your UK EASA licence to an IAA EASA licence which, from memory, is less than 300€. The UK CAA will also charge an admin fee for releasing your medical records to Ireland - about £50 I think but variable depending on how thick your medical file is. It can all be done via email and/or over the phone. The entire process does take several months.

Thereafter the IAA renewal service is free. The only ongoing charge is that every couple or three years you need to renew your EASA medical. This can be done in DXB and is about AED 1k.

Each year just print and email your OPC PPC paperwork (all 7 pages) to Dublin and include your medical renewal every 2-3 years and IAA will post your renewed licence paperwork to you in DXB foc.
Simple.

[GoreTex]

BANANASBANANAS
thanks a lot for the info, got the license already just didn't know about the renewal

[CorrectSensing]

Next stage

Just wondering if anyone has used the IAA as a ‘stepping-stone’ to get the type into the UK EASA license.

My story;

Flying EK 777
Have the IAA EASA with my ‘resticted’ B777/787 on it

Now I’m wanting to go back to the UK, I am looking to transfer my IAA license back to UK, and want the rating on the UK license.

Just wondering if anyone has done the same or similar!? Do you think the UK CAA will accept my IAA type rating and transfer that over with the license itself?

Awaiting an answer from the CAA on this currently...

Thanks in advance if anyone can shed light on this.....

CS

[Emma Royds]

The UK still don’t recognise the ‘restricted’ type rating, as highlighted in previous posts. Nothing has changed as far as I am aware.

I had a UK CAA licence and got truly fed up of being treated as if I was an inconvenience rather than a customer! The IAA on the other hand have been a joy to deal, with with all queries replied to in a prompt and friendly manner.

[anson harris]

Now I’m wanting to go back to the UK, I am looking to transfer my IAA license back to UK, and want the rating on the UK license.

I'm pretty sure that you can't do that. The point of the exercise is to keep an EASA licence alive rather than to have a licence that you can actually use. If you are going to work in the UK, then once you start a new type rating, transfer over your IAA licence to the CAA and add the new type rating once you've done it.

[BANANASBANANAS]

Originally Posted by anson harris

I'm pretty sure that you can't do that. The point of the exercise is to keep an EASA licence alive rather than to have a licence that you can actually use. If you are going to work in the UK, then once you start a new type rating, transfer over your IAA licence to the CAA and add the new type rating once you've done it.

Correct;

If you can gain employment (on the same type) in UK with your IAA 'restricted' EASA licence the restriction will be lifted by IAA as soon as you pass your LPC prior to release to line ops with your new employer.

Your now unrestricted IAA licence should (according to EASA regs) then be acceptable to UK CAA for transfer.

[anson harris]

BANANASBANANAS, yes, sorry, you're quite right.
First put the new TR on your Irish licence which can be done straight away if you take all the paperwork to Dublin. Then once you have an unrestricted TR on your ATPL, transfer the whole thing across to the CAA.