Horrible roster Again and no leave !!!!
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Horrible roster Again and no leave !!!!
Min days off 90 hrs plus again , all through the night again ! Thats not adding the Sim 2 nights in a row either.
Asia up and down east east east .
I am so tired , no leave
thanks EK
Asia up and down east east east .
I am so tired , no leave
thanks EK
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Maybe this is not the reply you had in mind but…..
LHS September roster for Flydubai,
9/10 flights requested, 16 OFF days, nine of those in a row. One flight after midnight (the unrequested one), earliest report 0700.
Guess seniority at least does count for something here.
LHS September roster for Flydubai,
9/10 flights requested, 16 OFF days, nine of those in a row. One flight after midnight (the unrequested one), earliest report 0700.
Guess seniority at least does count for something here.
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roster rubbish
Hi I'm 2nd bottom so didn't expect much and they didn't disappoint me. Im looking at swapping but rosters are so tight its says no due business rules. I cannot believe how crap it is becoming max 3 days off in a row . I wasn't looking around but will be slowly opening one eye.
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I feel bad bitching.
10 days leave, 13 days off. WTF? 2 Sydney direct and I can't swap either of them for AKL flights due to business rules or ground duties( apparently SBU is a ground duty). How stupid is this place?
10 days leave, 13 days off. WTF? 2 Sydney direct and I can't swap either of them for AKL flights due to business rules or ground duties( apparently SBU is a ground duty). How stupid is this place?
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EK rosters are getting worse and worse...
Top bid group and i got nothing i asked for. Yet a few months back when i was 2nd bottom and middle... I got reasonable trips. Not ones i asked for but reasonable nonetheless interns of .
This rostering is a disaster. It's a complete crap shoot. One month I think i have it figured out. Next month I bid the same (but I'm a group higher) yet it comes out like nothing i had month prior.
What a joke... my time here is limited. It just gets worse by the day.
Top bid group and i got nothing i asked for. Yet a few months back when i was 2nd bottom and middle... I got reasonable trips. Not ones i asked for but reasonable nonetheless interns of .
This rostering is a disaster. It's a complete crap shoot. One month I think i have it figured out. Next month I bid the same (but I'm a group higher) yet it comes out like nothing i had month prior.
What a joke... my time here is limited. It just gets worse by the day.
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February 3 weeks leave - 8 days at work and 49 hours. WTF??
Crewing response.....it's legal.
Dialled 2..... does that still work?
Good luck boys and girls....
Crewing response.....it's legal.
Dialled 2..... does that still work?
Good luck boys and girls....
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Yep 2nd top got my "only bid for them coz I don't want to go to China bids". For days off only got one of the 4 I requested. Load of bollocks really but will keep smiling, another month closer to retirement!
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Its just every month non stop !
When I dont have a day off between 2 LR flights of which both are through the night while i am still recovering from my US jetlag it becomes hard.
Invest in a fitbit and see how bad your sleep really is .You can have graphs on your phone and you will just be shocked.
People may argue and say leave if you dont like it , which is true . But one ,its not what i signed up for ,years ago. I signed a good contract which was i could sustain till retirement . Two I dont have days off to go to another interview ! And C the flights are jam packed , so also not possible.
I am doing over 90 hrs this month and I did not include my 2 midnight sim slots or ground school day. I signed up to be paid extra after 78 hrs , but some English leech in the office sending out emails about **** flight bags pockets the money we all work hard for .
I dont have any leave in the 2014 cycle only some 10 days next year . I signed up to have 42 days of leave , at least 30 days in a row and every second year summer or xmas . Once again that gone , all i see is leave rejected all the time.
No off days , I signed up that in top bid you can at least have 14 days in a row and this way you could at least see you family or something back home , now max 3 days in a row.
Asked in a wash up , why could we not then at least have 2 anual leave tickets seeing that the flights are so full and our leave is such a mess. The answer ... Not in the company s interest ... Nice .
So we take away your over time every month .. stealing in other words a few thousand DHS off all the guys , Cannot really go home as flights are so full.
People get into depression here and its not healthy on families as you are always tired (for no reward) hence more snappy .. Many pilots are being caught drinking and i feel sorry for these guys as they feel depressed and looking for a desperate escape .
Looking back I am so angry at myself for coming here .All the lies ,all the penny pinching on our backs.
What a sad unhappy place this has become . Even new guys i fly with cannot believe the mistake they have made.
Good luck out there and fly safe .
When I dont have a day off between 2 LR flights of which both are through the night while i am still recovering from my US jetlag it becomes hard.
Invest in a fitbit and see how bad your sleep really is .You can have graphs on your phone and you will just be shocked.
People may argue and say leave if you dont like it , which is true . But one ,its not what i signed up for ,years ago. I signed a good contract which was i could sustain till retirement . Two I dont have days off to go to another interview ! And C the flights are jam packed , so also not possible.
I am doing over 90 hrs this month and I did not include my 2 midnight sim slots or ground school day. I signed up to be paid extra after 78 hrs , but some English leech in the office sending out emails about **** flight bags pockets the money we all work hard for .
I dont have any leave in the 2014 cycle only some 10 days next year . I signed up to have 42 days of leave , at least 30 days in a row and every second year summer or xmas . Once again that gone , all i see is leave rejected all the time.
No off days , I signed up that in top bid you can at least have 14 days in a row and this way you could at least see you family or something back home , now max 3 days in a row.
Asked in a wash up , why could we not then at least have 2 anual leave tickets seeing that the flights are so full and our leave is such a mess. The answer ... Not in the company s interest ... Nice .
So we take away your over time every month .. stealing in other words a few thousand DHS off all the guys , Cannot really go home as flights are so full.
People get into depression here and its not healthy on families as you are always tired (for no reward) hence more snappy .. Many pilots are being caught drinking and i feel sorry for these guys as they feel depressed and looking for a desperate escape .
Looking back I am so angry at myself for coming here .All the lies ,all the penny pinching on our backs.
What a sad unhappy place this has become . Even new guys i fly with cannot believe the mistake they have made.
Good luck out there and fly safe .
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You need to social network and organize a 10 minute strike if there are really enough of you guys that feel strongly about the deterioration of your contracts. There is no point to whinging on pprune.
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but yet the que is long for, I wanna "shiny new aircraft type"..
Talking to a recruiting guy recently, said they are filling the courses but only just now - no pool anymore and the barrel is getting shallower.
V3 - do Fly Dubai bid straight seniority or rotating? Just curious.
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EKTRAZZ, come on mate, quit the whinging. You do get the privilege of working for EK and living in Dubai. That in itself should satisfy any Profesional pilot...well that's what THEY believe anyway.
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Hi Avid,
Here at FZ it is a straight seniority bidding system. Therefore people who joined way back at the beginning of the company do tend to get the pick of the trips (long day trips) and almost everything that they ask for. We have only had the bidding system in place since October last year (for pilots anyway, cabin crew may get it later this year), and so for the four and a half years before that the company was operating the rosters were all done by a rostering team with with no 'credit' if you like given to seniority.
Subsequently those that join more recently have compained that it is grossly unfair and that they will probably do most of the night flying and to the more unpopular trips such as Afghanistan, India during monsoon, double GCC sectors etc. To a degree that is true but what i think they fail to grasp is that with our expansion plans and the rate at which we are taking aircraft is that you will not stay junior for very long and as new aircraft arrive, people will arrive below you and so your seniority will rise and then they will be able to bid for better flights. Even now pilots at all seniority levels can bid up for eight requested days off a month (used to be just two RDO's!!!!) but can end up rostered with significantly more off days than that than that, 20 OFF in a month is the best i have seen so far.
Judging by the comments above it does seem as a rolling seniority system does not work too well as people in top bid receive almost nothing they want and bottom bids seem to get more than other months, a curious set up and also the rules on swapping seem so tight that there is very little manoeuvre on that.
Well thats the system we have and so far for the most part for many people here it does appear to be working and an awful lot better than what we had before. Must not forget too that must like an FMC, what you get out of the bidding process is only as good as what you put in the first place.
Here at FZ it is a straight seniority bidding system. Therefore people who joined way back at the beginning of the company do tend to get the pick of the trips (long day trips) and almost everything that they ask for. We have only had the bidding system in place since October last year (for pilots anyway, cabin crew may get it later this year), and so for the four and a half years before that the company was operating the rosters were all done by a rostering team with with no 'credit' if you like given to seniority.
Subsequently those that join more recently have compained that it is grossly unfair and that they will probably do most of the night flying and to the more unpopular trips such as Afghanistan, India during monsoon, double GCC sectors etc. To a degree that is true but what i think they fail to grasp is that with our expansion plans and the rate at which we are taking aircraft is that you will not stay junior for very long and as new aircraft arrive, people will arrive below you and so your seniority will rise and then they will be able to bid for better flights. Even now pilots at all seniority levels can bid up for eight requested days off a month (used to be just two RDO's!!!!) but can end up rostered with significantly more off days than that than that, 20 OFF in a month is the best i have seen so far.
Judging by the comments above it does seem as a rolling seniority system does not work too well as people in top bid receive almost nothing they want and bottom bids seem to get more than other months, a curious set up and also the rules on swapping seem so tight that there is very little manoeuvre on that.
Well thats the system we have and so far for the most part for many people here it does appear to be working and an awful lot better than what we had before. Must not forget too that must like an FMC, what you get out of the bidding process is only as good as what you put in the first place.
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Personally, I think it simply a case whereby, if FZ management didn't do something about the rosters, we were heading for a big retention problem. Not sure it's a case of having better management......