Are all pilots @ EK so unhappy?
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Remember EK already has half of the 380s it ordered. Meaning all the FO's that are there currently, plus all the 330/340 Captains, and now the 777 captains moving over will be sitting left seat before you. Which means if you are hired onto the 380, your command will come only due to pilot attrition. I would expect 15-17 year mark. If someone else comes up with different math I am happy to be corrected. The big variable currently is how many 777 guys are moving over.
Current 330 FOs that are stuck until the fleet is gone, will not get to the 380 until when, 2018? Then have to do 2500hrs on the 380 before becoming eligible for a command on it, so 2022ish?
The new joiners on the 380 need three years in the company and 2500hrs on the 380, so mid 2018/2019?
Who knows.
There were over 600 FOs hired in 2010. The majority of them on the 777. There are fewer than 80 upgrades on the 777 this year. So I would suggest that any Fo on the Boeing or mini bus is in for a long wait. And a new joiner on the 380 must be very close to the same situation.
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The new joiners on the 380 need three years in the company and 2500hrs on the 380, so mid 2018/2019?
Who knows.
There were over 600 FOs hired in 2010. The majority of them on the 777. There are fewer than 80 upgrades on the 777 this year. So I would suggest that any Fo on the Boeing or mini bus is in for a long wait. And a new joiner on the 380 must be very close to the same situation.
The quick commands ended some time ago.
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I think any fleet new hire is a long long way from an upgrade. When the 330 is gone , most. in 2016, FO's transfer and upgrade requirements will change then. Same with the Capt's, right now very few 330 Capt's have the 3000 command. 64 new hires on the 330 , I think it's 16 upgrades . 40 777 capts to 380(over 100 applied) no 777 FO 's to the 380. Makes room for some 777 upgrades but not many. 777 fleet has just about reached it max. Large number of 380 upgrades next year.
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Its like jail , you cannot really make jail a better place can you?
You can only escape !
You just lie there and wait for them to abuse you and you open your legs and take it without argue !
You can only escape !
You just lie there and wait for them to abuse you and you open your legs and take it without argue !
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Wow
Your life is such a misery !
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What a moan , do yourself a favor and just go if it's that bad
Nothing will change complaining in this forum... Unfortunately
:What a moan , do yourself a favor and just go if it's that bad
Nothing will change complaining in this forum... Unfortunately
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Gosh Cerbus, I didn't realise how junior you are... Going up 36 places!!!
on jan 1st 2014 we were 3523 pilots, today we're 3706.
since jan 1st pilot nr. 3500 in seniority gained 60 positions, nr. 3000 gained 54, nr. 2500 gained 48, nr. 2000 gained 43, nr. 1500 gained 38, nr. 1000 gained 28 and myself in the 500ish position gained about 15...
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It's nice to see actual facts instead of rumours. So an attrition rate of 2.1% by my (rough)calculation.
60 pilots left in approximately the first 9 months. At current rate about 80 for the year.
60 pilots left in approximately the first 9 months. At current rate about 80 for the year.
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Does anyone believe that the rosters have increased up to 93 hours a month because EK are short of crew. Or do you think this will be the standard roster as time goes on??
I'm contemplating accepting a position with Ek and trying to imagine how you guys feel, being jet lagged and tired all the time!
How does living in one of these rosters feel?
Thanks in advance for the info!
I'm contemplating accepting a position with Ek and trying to imagine how you guys feel, being jet lagged and tired all the time!
How does living in one of these rosters feel?
Thanks in advance for the info!
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this 92 hours every month thing is a bit of a myth, at least on the dugong.
again some actual figures:
between sep 1st 2013 and aug 31st 2014 I flew a bit more than 800 hours. only twice more than 90/month.
the following numbers are the hours I've flown each month as an A380 skipper, rounded up or down, not in chronological order, no sick days and all 42 days of leave were awarded.
27, 19, 98, 74, 75, 87, 77, 70, 58, 84, 52, 91
hardly a miserable life...
tz
again some actual figures:
between sep 1st 2013 and aug 31st 2014 I flew a bit more than 800 hours. only twice more than 90/month.
the following numbers are the hours I've flown each month as an A380 skipper, rounded up or down, not in chronological order, no sick days and all 42 days of leave were awarded.
27, 19, 98, 74, 75, 87, 77, 70, 58, 84, 52, 91
hardly a miserable life...
tz
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Good on ya mate, Zohan. 777 skipper with only 30 days leave and 91 hours per month except months with leave. If you think 92 constant hours is a myth, you been breathing too much of the wrong end of the camel. Haven't had my 42 days of leave in a couple of years now.
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Hey Z. I said basically, good for you. Didn't imply what you said was an untruth, as you did, saying 92 hrs was a myth. I said on the 777 92 IS the case. Perhaps we should use, "See spot run. Run spot run." For simplicity's sake. Implication is a bit over your head, maybe. And next month's roster....8 days off and one rest day. Whoppee!
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On the 380 nothing less than 85 hours all of last year.
This has been the case for the last 3 years so no these hours are not because of pilot shortages at Emirates but a carefully designed system to wear out Emirates pilots with chronic fatigue.
Join at the risk of your own health.
This has been the case for the last 3 years so no these hours are not because of pilot shortages at Emirates but a carefully designed system to wear out Emirates pilots with chronic fatigue.
Join at the risk of your own health.
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So, assume there'll be a flood of 'chronic fatigue' reports being submitted through the FRMS soon? Or do you just moan and hope the problem will go away?
Harry
So, assume there'll be a flood of 'chronic fatigue' reports being submitted through the FRMS soon? Or do you just moan and hope the problem will go away?
Harry
