Thinking hard about Emirates
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Having seen both worlds, and gone from airline to corporate, I can only give you one advice - Stay were you are! If you want to see more of the world, try to get on a Gulfstream or a Global in a flight department that operates worldwide. With your CV that should be doable, especially if you have worked up a good network over the years flying bizjets.
Good luck!
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Good luck!
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Man you are doing the job you studied for and living in one of the most beautiful cities in the world. A job is a job and a plane is a plane, it all gets very old very quickly.
Enjoy what you have, this is the best advice anyone can give you.
Enjoy what you have, this is the best advice anyone can give you.
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Stone Cold and Mana,
I have to laugh at your comments. Why waste your time bullying me and others with your derisive comments?
This Falcon pilot wants to move to the ME to fly for an airline - but he is not eligible at this point because of his aircraft type and experience. Logically, he should consider a change if the ME is his absolute priority. If he wants to fly for an airline in the US, having experience on a Part 121 operation will help that effort too. It is not a requirement in the US, but it would likely be helpful and show his commitment to a 121 career path. So, flying for Republic temporarily (i.e., 1-2 years) on the E175 is one logical alternative if he wants to be more attractive to airlines in the US or in the ME (required to qualify for EK, EY and QR if those are his goals). Some US airlines like JetBlue, Spirit or Virgin America might take him right now given his jet time - but Middle Eastern carriers won't. Getting hired by Virgin America onto the A320 might be a good idea too since VA is based at SFO and could give him Airbus experience that would be valued by EK. If he really, really wants to fly for an airline in the ME, he needs to get experience in a larger aircraft type - that is a fact. He can take the advice or just leave it.
By the way, having spent time in California for part of my initial training, I know that $120K is equivalent to $40K salary elsewhere after taxes and sky-high living expenses. Leaving beautiful but ultra-expensive SFO will be great for his bank account too.
I have to laugh at your comments. Why waste your time bullying me and others with your derisive comments?
This Falcon pilot wants to move to the ME to fly for an airline - but he is not eligible at this point because of his aircraft type and experience. Logically, he should consider a change if the ME is his absolute priority. If he wants to fly for an airline in the US, having experience on a Part 121 operation will help that effort too. It is not a requirement in the US, but it would likely be helpful and show his commitment to a 121 career path. So, flying for Republic temporarily (i.e., 1-2 years) on the E175 is one logical alternative if he wants to be more attractive to airlines in the US or in the ME (required to qualify for EK, EY and QR if those are his goals). Some US airlines like JetBlue, Spirit or Virgin America might take him right now given his jet time - but Middle Eastern carriers won't. Getting hired by Virgin America onto the A320 might be a good idea too since VA is based at SFO and could give him Airbus experience that would be valued by EK. If he really, really wants to fly for an airline in the ME, he needs to get experience in a larger aircraft type - that is a fact. He can take the advice or just leave it.
By the way, having spent time in California for part of my initial training, I know that $120K is equivalent to $40K salary elsewhere after taxes and sky-high living expenses. Leaving beautiful but ultra-expensive SFO will be great for his bank account too.
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If you've run up 50k in debt, and it's due to poor money management skills, going to the ME won't help a bit. As many of EK's finest demonstrate on a constant basis, more disposable income only increases one's ability to take on more debt. It boggles the mind, the wasted opportunity. Of course this isn't to suggest that your own debt was due to poor decisions, but you mentioned it as a big factor in your decision to look at Emirates. A mistake, in my opinion. It's just a crapshoot and certainly anyone coming for the foreseeable will be at the lower end of the pay spectrum for a long time. It will just take a lot longer, trying to realize any potential benefit.
I would do some serious research into FATCA and how that will affect US expats in the future. Already many banks and financial institutions won't allow "US Persons" to open accounts, and are closing accounts of Americans. The ones that will accept US clients will most certainly be reporting all financials to the IRS so could possibly negate any tax benefit anyway.
But financial motivation aside, unless you're unemployed or working at some regional for peanuts I wouldn't even give a second's thought to leaving one of the most beautiful cities in the world to live in the world's most overrated.
EK might have been a career once, but it's definitely just a job now.
I would do some serious research into FATCA and how that will affect US expats in the future. Already many banks and financial institutions won't allow "US Persons" to open accounts, and are closing accounts of Americans. The ones that will accept US clients will most certainly be reporting all financials to the IRS so could possibly negate any tax benefit anyway.
But financial motivation aside, unless you're unemployed or working at some regional for peanuts I wouldn't even give a second's thought to leaving one of the most beautiful cities in the world to live in the world's most overrated.
Looking for a career, not just a job.
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Iver ,
You are the one who seems to resort to "derisive " comments directed at anyone who crosses you .
http://www.pprune.org/canada/542826-...ml#post8549424
Quite an argument you have going on over in Canada . Seems everyone "bullies " you !
That said , I have advised in the past that as you have no actual experience , living and working in these regions/airlines , that due diligence should be done by those seeking advise, as your posts come across speaking with authority . Even the latest $120,000 v/s $40,000 statement . Maybe in Mumbai , but San Fran is not even the most expensive city in the US , it is right up there , however the differentials are no where near to what you allude to , but " you know" .
If you continue to proffer career advice on topics which you have no real-world knowledge/experience , then expect a disclaimer , as I see your advice as reckless . If you see it as "bullying " then so be it . Report me to the "bullying police " !
You are the one who seems to resort to "derisive " comments directed at anyone who crosses you .
http://www.pprune.org/canada/542826-...ml#post8549424
Quite an argument you have going on over in Canada . Seems everyone "bullies " you !
That said , I have advised in the past that as you have no actual experience , living and working in these regions/airlines , that due diligence should be done by those seeking advise, as your posts come across speaking with authority . Even the latest $120,000 v/s $40,000 statement . Maybe in Mumbai , but San Fran is not even the most expensive city in the US , it is right up there , however the differentials are no where near to what you allude to , but " you know" .
If you continue to proffer career advice on topics which you have no real-world knowledge/experience , then expect a disclaimer , as I see your advice as reckless . If you see it as "bullying " then so be it . Report me to the "bullying police " !
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KCW,
Even if you were eligible, size of a.c. wise, you would be ruining your career path coming here, IMHO. If you want to go the 121 route, I believe this time next year, depending on a few factors, the legacy and major cargo 121 carriers will be begging for people with your experience. At some, you will be making 120 your second year and flying a big jet to who knows where. Additionally, your upgrade here now will be at least 5 plus years and that's what the recruiters are telling prospects.
Could you do 20 years here? That's another big question. And the IRS will be looking over your shoulder. So take the advice of those that have posted, most are saying stay right where you are. I too, would trade places with you in a heartbeat, no questions asked.
So think looooong and hard about coming to the big three here in the ME. The managements will change your terms and conditions with the continued shifting sands. You ready to do 90 hours across multiple multiple time zones usually during the back side of the clock? Your call....
Even if you were eligible, size of a.c. wise, you would be ruining your career path coming here, IMHO. If you want to go the 121 route, I believe this time next year, depending on a few factors, the legacy and major cargo 121 carriers will be begging for people with your experience. At some, you will be making 120 your second year and flying a big jet to who knows where. Additionally, your upgrade here now will be at least 5 plus years and that's what the recruiters are telling prospects.
Could you do 20 years here? That's another big question. And the IRS will be looking over your shoulder. So take the advice of those that have posted, most are saying stay right where you are. I too, would trade places with you in a heartbeat, no questions asked.
So think looooong and hard about coming to the big three here in the ME. The managements will change your terms and conditions with the continued shifting sands. You ready to do 90 hours across multiple multiple time zones usually during the back side of the clock? Your call....
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Stone,
I spent nearly 6 months in the Bay Area during my early flight training and my brother works in IT in Silicon Valley as we speak. So, I do know a lot about SFO. The cost of living in that area is outrageous.
Regardless of this chap's decision, I was merely offering friendly advice and he can either take it or leave it. I wish him luck!
I spent nearly 6 months in the Bay Area during my early flight training and my brother works in IT in Silicon Valley as we speak. So, I do know a lot about SFO. The cost of living in that area is outrageous.
Regardless of this chap's decision, I was merely offering friendly advice and he can either take it or leave it. I wish him luck!
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If you've run up 50k in debt, and it's due to poor money management skills, going to the ME won't help a bit.
Thanks all for the advice. Feel free to keep it coming, but I'm seriously reconsidering my options!
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Sad about the girlfriend (if true - these are the Interwebs, after all) - but I did say IF the debt was due to mismanagement.
Regardless as to how a debt was arrived at, I stand by my comments that the ME is not an automatic cure for money woes.
Regardless as to how a debt was arrived at, I stand by my comments that the ME is not an automatic cure for money woes.
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I am coming up on one year here at Emirates, and I must say, I LOVE IT!!
I am assigned as FO on the B777. Yes, I fly a lot. Yes, the work is fatiguing. But the job is exactly what the company described, and is exactly what I was looking for. I can honestly say that I can see myself retiring here, I like it that much.
There's really something special about landing after 13 hours and looking back at the B777 as I walk away, and realizing that aircraft just carried us to our destination, and I, along with the Captain, were entrusted with the safety of it, and the safety of our passengers.
I always wanted to do long haul flying. It is everything I had hoped for, and more. And Emirates is truly the home for me!
Special thanks to everyone on this site who guided me along the way. And for those considering Emirates, just do it!! It's everything you can imagine and more. The negative stuff you read here? Remember, there are bad apples in every bunch. Fortunately, at Emirates, there are far more great apples than bad apples.
I am assigned as FO on the B777. Yes, I fly a lot. Yes, the work is fatiguing. But the job is exactly what the company described, and is exactly what I was looking for. I can honestly say that I can see myself retiring here, I like it that much.
There's really something special about landing after 13 hours and looking back at the B777 as I walk away, and realizing that aircraft just carried us to our destination, and I, along with the Captain, were entrusted with the safety of it, and the safety of our passengers.
I always wanted to do long haul flying. It is everything I had hoped for, and more. And Emirates is truly the home for me!
Special thanks to everyone on this site who guided me along the way. And for those considering Emirates, just do it!! It's everything you can imagine and more. The negative stuff you read here? Remember, there are bad apples in every bunch. Fortunately, at Emirates, there are far more great apples than bad apples.
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Come back in a couple of years when the gloss has well and truly worn off, and see if it still is the dream job that you say it is now.
Doesn't matter if its A or B grinding through the night it is still a piece of tin poking a hole in the sky.
Most people here walk away after the flight just grateful it is over.
Doesn't matter if its A or B grinding through the night it is still a piece of tin poking a hole in the sky.
Most people here walk away after the flight just grateful it is over.
short flights long nights
If KCW is genuine....he needs help. He will wake up in about 4 years time and realise what he has subject himself to. Or perhaps he won't, and wonder why he gets really sick.