Emirates cancels the A350
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These are very interesting times, lots of changes. Historically fleet orders change and some get disadvantaged whilst others gain. If you are counting the places to upgrade then it is frustrating but second guessing deliveries is a fools game that only leads to disappointment as we have no control or influence of what gets ordered or delivered.
If you are waiting for the precious upgrade to fix all life's woes then after a short while you will be sadly disappointed. Fed up with night turns in the right hand seat then you will also get fed up with them from the left. The extra cash will wear thin after a wile.
Get a hobby, enjoy whatever is your thing and work to live. Control the parts of your life you have control of, or make a change. Don't be a victim of circumstance.
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If you are waiting for the precious upgrade to fix all life's woes then after a short while you will be sadly disappointed. Fed up with night turns in the right hand seat then you will also get fed up with them from the left. The extra cash will wear thin after a wile.
Get a hobby, enjoy whatever is your thing and work to live. Control the parts of your life you have control of, or make a change. Don't be a victim of circumstance.
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My understanding about A350 is that EK had a walk away without penalty clause if the aircraft's weight couldn't be guaranteed to go below a predetermined threshold. So, it's a fat bastard then.
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[QUOTE] And it's not exclusive to EK - any airline can change your promised type on arrival as it suits. The difference here is just the way it's marketed at the interviews / roadshows.[QUOTE]
Yep ano airline across the road chap left employment say rather quicker than his notice period to go on 777 and ended up on A300-600 freighter, its a small world sometime
Yep ano airline across the road chap left employment say rather quicker than his notice period to go on 777 and ended up on A300-600 freighter, its a small world sometime
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I've heard that Emirates shifted their deposits from the A350 to the 50-frame A380 order they placed last year. They have yet to choose an engine supplier for those frames, so that may signal a switch to RR power for them (EA is their current A380 engine supplier) and Tim Clark has stated in the press he believes only RR will offer a "new engine option" for the A380.
Early A350-900s are heavy, but not terribly so and Airbus is reducing the weight much quicker than Boeing did on the 787-8 so I don't think that clause (if true) was the basis for this cancellation.
I think EK could add some more 777-300ERs in the interim, but they do have 50 options on top of the 150 777X commitments, which would cover the A350 on a total seat-capacity basis. And EK could always extend their current 777-300ER leases to cover the time-gap to the 777X.
Early A350-900s are heavy, but not terribly so and Airbus is reducing the weight much quicker than Boeing did on the 787-8 so I don't think that clause (if true) was the basis for this cancellation.
I think EK could add some more 777-300ERs in the interim, but they do have 50 options on top of the 150 777X commitments, which would cover the A350 on a total seat-capacity basis. And EK could always extend their current 777-300ER leases to cover the time-gap to the 777X.
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I can't imagine this is news to Airbus. My friend supplies EK with aircraft interiors and he was told over a year ago by Emirates that they were not going to pursue the 350 so he (the supplier) could stop working on the project.
So for over a year now I have been telling my pilot friends to expect a slower upgrade. Now that it is official it is finally sinking in. Over 10 years to captain. Ouch!
So for over a year now I have been telling my pilot friends to expect a slower upgrade. Now that it is official it is finally sinking in. Over 10 years to captain. Ouch!
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Time for new joiners and those applying to seriously consider Fly Dubai or the competition up the road. The 10 year upgrade hardly makes it worthwhile anymore along with the ever increasing cost of living in Dubai. The 4-5 months of brutality and inhumane weather, the sandpit culture and lack of a commuting contract have made Emirates noncompetitive. Not saying it is better in any other region as all contracts have their faults it just seems Emirates is no longer a great place of employment. Do your homework and talk to the insiders before joining so you are clear on all aspects of the job. For young families it seems Fly Dubai now is a better fit instead of being gone 16 plus days per month on a widebody you will be home every day and upgrade in 3 years. The PBS scheduling is also a big draw as eventually you will have control of your lifestyle.
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Wyoming...... what sort of drugs are you on man???????
Do you ACTUALLY KNOW anyone from FD?????
You have no idea what you are even talking about
Just more mindless immature crap flowing from yet another ignorant poster.
Do you ACTUALLY KNOW anyone from FD?????
You have no idea what you are even talking about
Just more mindless immature crap flowing from yet another ignorant poster.
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Cay nine are you expressing shock at what was said about emirates or Fly Dubai?
If you referring to EK WY pilot is spot on. Don't waste your time in Dubai flying for Emirates. You as a pilot are much better off elsewhere. In most cases you will make more money and work less hours. A win win situation.
If you referring to EK WY pilot is spot on. Don't waste your time in Dubai flying for Emirates. You as a pilot are much better off elsewhere. In most cases you will make more money and work less hours. A win win situation.
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Caynine I am currently using an anti-kool aid drug which obviously you are not and a a clear consumer of Emirates management brew. I have friends at both carriers and the competition up the road. Everything I said in my post is factual. If you want control of your schedule after a few years of seniority with PBS then Fly Dubai far outweighs Emirates in time off and QOL while working. The upgrades are 2-3 years vs. 10 years plus and you are home every day which has big benefit for a family guy. Your mindless and ignorant posts demonstrate your trapped in the sandpit and crying out in desperation.
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These are very interesting times, lots of changes. Historically fleet orders change and some get disadvantaged whilst others gain. If you are counting the places to upgrade then it is frustrating but second guessing deliveries is a fools game that only leads to disappointment as we have no control or influence of what gets ordered or delivered.
If you are waiting for the precious upgrade to fix all life's woes then after a short while you will be sadly disappointed. Fed up with night turns in the right hand seat then you will also get fed up with them from the left. The extra cash will wear thin after a wile.
Get a hobby, enjoy whatever is your thing and work to live. Control the parts of your life you have control of, or make a change. Don't be a victim of circumstance.
If you are waiting for the precious upgrade to fix all life's woes then after a short while you will be sadly disappointed. Fed up with night turns in the right hand seat then you will also get fed up with them from the left. The extra cash will wear thin after a wile.
Get a hobby, enjoy whatever is your thing and work to live. Control the parts of your life you have control of, or make a change. Don't be a victim of circumstance.
I personally think that the A350 cancellation will be substituted with more 777's and A380's. I also think we are approaching an unprecedented time in Emirates history where for the first time there will be a bit of movement generated by retirements and resignations by an ever increasing "older" pilot group. Also new opportunities present themselves as the global aviation market recovers which will no doubt attract some. Bottom line, who can really accurately predict a time to Command or anything else for that matter.
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I call your bluff Wyoming, I don't believe you know anyone at Fly Dubai.
There is no comparison, EK has and does have better conditions than the boys on the 73.
Now run off and have yr cool aid son
There is no comparison, EK has and does have better conditions than the boys on the 73.
Now run off and have yr cool aid son
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I think EK Airbus FOs are even more screwed than before due to this 350 cancellation.
330/340 upgrade prospects are grim on a dying fleet.
Yes, 330/340 FOs can go to the right seat of the 380, but it means resetting the upgrade Hobbs meter to 0-0-0-0-0 and re-starting the slow climb to 2,500 hrs on type for 380 command.
And I doubt 330/340 FOs will get to transition to 777. Upgrades slowed down on Boeing recently so enough 777 FOs to go around. And fat chance of 330/340 FOs going directly to left seat of the Boeing considering 777 captains with ZERO prior Airbus time are now coming directly to the left seat of the 380. Good luck going from Airbus to Boeing.
I think current 380 FOs will suffer a huge setback along with their main fleet brethren. All those 330/340 captains will likely transition to 380 skippers as the 330s & 340s are retired. There are hundreds of them and they’re all senior to most current FOs on the 380.
And yes, upgrade really does matter. FOs sweat out hours of economy class staff travel when Business is full, while Boeing guys years junior to them are traveling first class. Even teenage children of Boeing skippers years junior go first class ahead of you. Money-wise, Boeing skippers years junior to Airbus FOs are making a good 20,000+ $/Euro per year more. And unlike Bus FOs, those Boeing skippers years junior have a world of high-paying direct entry captain jobs available should they decide they want to move on. With zero current PIC the Bus FOs are qualified for little more than hiring in as most junior FO on some other seniority list in the world to start the same climb all over again.
Magic
330/340 upgrade prospects are grim on a dying fleet.
Yes, 330/340 FOs can go to the right seat of the 380, but it means resetting the upgrade Hobbs meter to 0-0-0-0-0 and re-starting the slow climb to 2,500 hrs on type for 380 command.
And I doubt 330/340 FOs will get to transition to 777. Upgrades slowed down on Boeing recently so enough 777 FOs to go around. And fat chance of 330/340 FOs going directly to left seat of the Boeing considering 777 captains with ZERO prior Airbus time are now coming directly to the left seat of the 380. Good luck going from Airbus to Boeing.
I think current 380 FOs will suffer a huge setback along with their main fleet brethren. All those 330/340 captains will likely transition to 380 skippers as the 330s & 340s are retired. There are hundreds of them and they’re all senior to most current FOs on the 380.
And yes, upgrade really does matter. FOs sweat out hours of economy class staff travel when Business is full, while Boeing guys years junior to them are traveling first class. Even teenage children of Boeing skippers years junior go first class ahead of you. Money-wise, Boeing skippers years junior to Airbus FOs are making a good 20,000+ $/Euro per year more. And unlike Bus FOs, those Boeing skippers years junior have a world of high-paying direct entry captain jobs available should they decide they want to move on. With zero current PIC the Bus FOs are qualified for little more than hiring in as most junior FO on some other seniority list in the world to start the same climb all over again.
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Agree with a lot of these points. The only thing that's open to debate is the 350 cancellation. I'm mot sure it will affect the overall numbers of aircraft arriving and therefore the requirement for CM1's.