Radio Discipline
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I love the colleagues that give u the evil eye for wanting to use the speedbrake to comply with speed clearances. Nah matttee, just use 500fpm....and wait 5 minutes for the trend vector to appear
there come the extra miles....
there come the extra miles....
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1000 ft/min? Tell that to the guys levelling off trying to catch up with the VNAV profile on approach...
Just for my benefit, what's so wrong with informing Delivery that you have "PDC received"?
Just for my benefit, what's so wrong with informing Delivery that you have "PDC received"?
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Not time for a forum, just time for an informal at the Irish Village. Get to know each other and realise we are all on the same side.
Misunderstanding is ok as long as we all learn from it. No blame on each party just a new partnership to make good .
I think that as an EK pilot , having a good relationship with our partners in ATC is paramount.
Misunderstanding is ok as long as we all learn from it. No blame on each party just a new partnership to make good .
I think that as an EK pilot , having a good relationship with our partners in ATC is paramount.
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Min RoD for ICAO is 1000'/min. Under vectors or in the terminal area I believe that 500'/min is the min. So there is no need for the "level in a minute" or RoD of 1000'/min. It is just a waste of airtime.
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ATC is just doing their job, separating tin.
ATC says level in one minute because our wonderful Pro-Company Austro-naughts don't know or follow the rules, but think they do while creating issues with ATC separation. Not smart to create your own continuous descent approach when one does not exist or cleared.
It's sad when checkers grade down a candidate for leveling off before GS interception instead of using -100fpm to intercept.
AAAIRMANSHiP MATE, save the company money.
Every time you hear an ATC instruction to increase ROD, it means some guy is making the arrivals pear shaped with his AAAIRMANSHIP.
ATC says level in one minute because our wonderful Pro-Company Austro-naughts don't know or follow the rules, but think they do while creating issues with ATC separation. Not smart to create your own continuous descent approach when one does not exist or cleared.
It's sad when checkers grade down a candidate for leveling off before GS interception instead of using -100fpm to intercept.
AAAIRMANSHiP MATE, save the company money.
Every time you hear an ATC instruction to increase ROD, it means some guy is making the arrivals pear shaped with his AAAIRMANSHIP.
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pilotday, you poor little petal, so much anger and rage. Did some big nasty ozzie give you a hard time once upon a time, and you've been harbouring it all these years? Didn't mummy give you a hug? It must've been terrible alone in your room after the dressing down, crying hot tears of rage and humiliation, knowing Bruce was laughing it up over a beer down at the bar with the girls.
Having once been made to feel small by an ozzie for your woeful RT and lack of SOPs is no reason to always look for a chance to make them all pay for ever after. Try to get over it and not to be such a little bitch. No one likes a little bitch.
Here's one for you, pilotday... hopefully it'll lift your spirits in your damaged little heart!
Having once been made to feel small by an ozzie for your woeful RT and lack of SOPs is no reason to always look for a chance to make them all pay for ever after. Try to get over it and not to be such a little bitch. No one likes a little bitch.
Here's one for you, pilotday... hopefully it'll lift your spirits in your damaged little heart!
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Sadly R/T procedures and etiquette is something that is not taken seriously in the Gulf as a whole and if I dare say it, it applies top down from both sides of the fence.
For example, callsign confusion is not taken seriously by the operators and the regulators don't seem to have much drive to keep the number of words that we all say, down to a minimum.
The Gulf is perhaps home to some of the worst examples of R/T that I have heard across the globe and that applies to both ATC and Pilots. In making that statement, I am discounting the pilots and controllers around the world whose command of English is basic. For example, some nationalities are not known for their great command of the English language but the same cannot be said for all of us that live and work in the Gulf, as English is often the primary language of communication both in and in many cases, out of the workplace too.
Most of the examples of poor R/T in this part of the world, generally come from people whose command of English is to a good standard but what lacks is self disipline. Unless those people in lofty position above us sit up and realise that this is a issue, then this is a situation that will only go from bad to worse.
As for my EK peers, can we perhaps stop quoting the PDC clearance number on the Delivery frequency at DXB or that we are going to destination XXX etc. The controller knows if we have accepted our PDC (or not) and where we are going to so why tell him/her something that they know? The one word they are wanting to hear is 'Ready'!
For example, callsign confusion is not taken seriously by the operators and the regulators don't seem to have much drive to keep the number of words that we all say, down to a minimum.
The Gulf is perhaps home to some of the worst examples of R/T that I have heard across the globe and that applies to both ATC and Pilots. In making that statement, I am discounting the pilots and controllers around the world whose command of English is basic. For example, some nationalities are not known for their great command of the English language but the same cannot be said for all of us that live and work in the Gulf, as English is often the primary language of communication both in and in many cases, out of the workplace too.
Most of the examples of poor R/T in this part of the world, generally come from people whose command of English is to a good standard but what lacks is self disipline. Unless those people in lofty position above us sit up and realise that this is a issue, then this is a situation that will only go from bad to worse.
As for my EK peers, can we perhaps stop quoting the PDC clearance number on the Delivery frequency at DXB or that we are going to destination XXX etc. The controller knows if we have accepted our PDC (or not) and where we are going to so why tell him/her something that they know? The one word they are wanting to hear is 'Ready'!
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Oldaircrew: "Min RoD for ICAO is 1000'/min. Under vectors or in the terminal area I believe that 500'/min is the min. So there is no need for the "level in a minute" or RoD of 1000'/min. It is just a waste of airtime."
NO, NO, and NO! it is a myth, mini 500 ft ONLY in the USA, Australia and UK (last 1500ft/mn),
It means you can take 100 ftm if you want!
NO, NO, and NO! it is a myth, mini 500 ft ONLY in the USA, Australia and UK (last 1500ft/mn),
It means you can take 100 ftm if you want!
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