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Absolutely agree with Harry...and as someone told me, Ek have absolutely no problem hiring and retaining baggage handlers, tug drivers, cleaners and all the other staff who make up the largest % of our staff count.
Therefore, giving a profit share to keep them here makes little sense...whereas a targeted pay rise for those staff groups where problems in recruitment/retention are being noticed makes great sense.
Hence the new PS target, which seems a little steep when they've already given their revenue loss estimate for the runway closure...
As for them needing to give a big pay increase...I've been here less than 2 years, but have only moved up around 250 places in that time, and less than 10 in the last 2 months. Courses look to have been pretty thin up to April but last month there were the fat end of 40 guys joining the list. And if they are really are having problems, won't they just open up to non Boing/Airlimo guys?
Think we'll get something, not sure it'll fuel that Lambo I bought in anticipation of the PS though...
Therefore, giving a profit share to keep them here makes little sense...whereas a targeted pay rise for those staff groups where problems in recruitment/retention are being noticed makes great sense.
Hence the new PS target, which seems a little steep when they've already given their revenue loss estimate for the runway closure...
As for them needing to give a big pay increase...I've been here less than 2 years, but have only moved up around 250 places in that time, and less than 10 in the last 2 months. Courses look to have been pretty thin up to April but last month there were the fat end of 40 guys joining the list. And if they are really are having problems, won't they just open up to non Boing/Airlimo guys?
Think we'll get something, not sure it'll fuel that Lambo I bought in anticipation of the PS though...
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It has been so long since EK has paid its Bonus does anyone remember the formula on how to figure out how much we will be getting?
I know we only get 5 days times 3 weeks but there is an exact formula.
Thanks
I know we only get 5 days times 3 weeks but there is an exact formula.
Thanks
Basic monthly salary multiplied by 12, divide the answer by 52. Multiple that answer by 3.
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We did not make the target
Does anyone else find it strange that we did not actually meet the profit target yet still received profit share.
I still have last years results email and it clearly states a target for 2013/14 to be higher than todays actual announced result.
Is this a new precedence.
J
I still have last years results email and it clearly states a target for 2013/14 to be higher than todays actual announced result.
Is this a new precedence.
J
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JAYTO, when the official email or whatever is published (maybe it has already, just haven't seen it yet) see what they call it. A profit share or bonus. If PS, and we didn't make the "target", that would be interesting. If called bonus, a new animal altogether.
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I'll take the three weeks but as mentioned above the 'come to jeezuz' moment is the pay review.
As a reminder - here is breakdown (raise bonus) since May 2008:
May 2008
12% 14 weeks
May 2009
0% 0 (actually a decrease of between 15-17% due threshold > 78-92)
May 2010
6% 3 weeks
May 2011 (Edu support went 32>40/54>60 & housing went up, can't remember when)
8% 12 weeks
May 2012
3%
May 2013 (Edu support 40>42/60>63)
3.5%
May 2014
??? 3 weeks
If we factor the threshold pay collapse, it essentially wiped out everything from May 2009 to May 2012 (6+8+3=17)
So really since May of 2008 we have had a 6.5% pay raise. Our spending power has decreased - significantly. That is not fudging the numbers - it's fact.
They need to step up now and judging by rumblings from HR on roadshow turn-out they surely must know this.
f.
As a reminder - here is breakdown (raise bonus) since May 2008:
May 2008
12% 14 weeks
May 2009
0% 0 (actually a decrease of between 15-17% due threshold > 78-92)
May 2010
6% 3 weeks
May 2011 (Edu support went 32>40/54>60 & housing went up, can't remember when)
8% 12 weeks
May 2012
3%
May 2013 (Edu support 40>42/60>63)
3.5%
May 2014
??? 3 weeks
If we factor the threshold pay collapse, it essentially wiped out everything from May 2009 to May 2012 (6+8+3=17)
So really since May of 2008 we have had a 6.5% pay raise. Our spending power has decreased - significantly. That is not fudging the numbers - it's fact.
They need to step up now and judging by rumblings from HR on roadshow turn-out they surely must know this.
f.
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And apparently from the Q and A today with TC, they have said there are people right behind you waiting on a job. Plenty of applicants, and if you don't like it, you can leave. I was not there, so second hand information, but I heard that is what was said. Ouch.
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First things first, thanks EK for your generosity.
Heard a similar description second hand, that being said, the only language understood on the top floors will be parked or delayed aircraft, and as for attrition, it will have to be a flood, rather than the steady trickle it appears to be right now. There appears to be more than enough candidates clambering to get on the blunderbus, I guess it helps if you want to escape the sub-continent and earn 3 times the salary.
I wonder if theres a replacement for TC lurking in Chennai...
And apparently from the Q and A today with TC, they have said there are people right behind you waiting on a job. Plenty of applicants, and if you don't like it, you can leave. I was not there, so second hand information, but I heard that is what was said. Ouch.
I wonder if theres a replacement for TC lurking in Chennai...
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It's always been the same there will always be people willing to take the place from someone that leaves. The only reason they will really sit up and take note is when Captains start leaving in large numbers but that is not happening with the attrition rate for skippers being very small.
Plenty of Easyjet and Ryanair pilots waiting in the wings to replace the F/O's that leave.
Plenty of Easyjet and Ryanair pilots waiting in the wings to replace the F/O's that leave.
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guys whining about 3 weeks will only serve to further distance us from the real and deliverable solutions that are required to recover the lost ground of the last few years
It has always been the case that the newer guys tend to be more likely to see the rose-tinted picture however some of the previously most stolid guys I know are now amongst the most jaded. Maybe you will go that way eventually too.
They made a calculation, as always, and determined the exact amount of crumbs to throw to the masses. Maybe the special tickets "uprising" made them realise they needed to do something but as has been pointed out, most are not jizzing their pants over three weeks.
It's a small spike on an otherwise downward trend and nowhere near enough to keep many of us living in an armpit region of the world a day beyond the next decent offer.
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The important thing is how much you are paid for the hours you do. This is also the cost basis which the airline uses to determins our productivity.
As a comparison A new join Capt at Et#$ad earns around 38450dhs/month or 42430dhs/month with allowanaces, for around 65hrs/month (777). If u pro rata this to EKs 92 a new capt at Et&$*d earns around 54400dhs/60200dhs/month compared to EK for the same amount of work.
This shows the significance of the fiddle that was done to EKs overtime. SIA would be somewhat similar with 777 guys doing around 50hrs (777) and around 60hrs (A380) These hours are factored in the pilots favour meaning they do alot less than that in reality. At EK also factor (duty not pay), but the otherway, ie in the companies favour. At 20Ksgd per month so u can do the math on that one.
Re bonunus SIA got close on 1.5 months on the back of a profit of 300M Sing..plus they get a 13th month regardless so a total of 2.5months or around 10weeks in EK talk.
Yes the numbers above are apporximations, and there is housing and blah blah but the bottom line is that EK pilots are being well and truly screwed.
As a comparison A new join Capt at Et#$ad earns around 38450dhs/month or 42430dhs/month with allowanaces, for around 65hrs/month (777). If u pro rata this to EKs 92 a new capt at Et&$*d earns around 54400dhs/60200dhs/month compared to EK for the same amount of work.
This shows the significance of the fiddle that was done to EKs overtime. SIA would be somewhat similar with 777 guys doing around 50hrs (777) and around 60hrs (A380) These hours are factored in the pilots favour meaning they do alot less than that in reality. At EK also factor (duty not pay), but the otherway, ie in the companies favour. At 20Ksgd per month so u can do the math on that one.
Re bonunus SIA got close on 1.5 months on the back of a profit of 300M Sing..plus they get a 13th month regardless so a total of 2.5months or around 10weeks in EK talk.
Yes the numbers above are apporximations, and there is housing and blah blah but the bottom line is that EK pilots are being well and truly screwed.
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I have always said that Emirates does not measure up when compared to other Widebody airlines and I am glad to see that other pilots are starting to realize this.
Not mention yet is Work Rules when factored in to the equation. When a pilot group has those in increases their QOL big time.
If you figure out my hourly wage I am paid the equivalent of a 737 Domestic FO.
Emirates has to do something and soon.
Not mention yet is Work Rules when factored in to the equation. When a pilot group has those in increases their QOL big time.
If you figure out my hourly wage I am paid the equivalent of a 737 Domestic FO.
Emirates has to do something and soon.
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What we need to remember is that Emirates have grown to 75000 employees and the profit needs to be shared between us all. So yes the days of 12 weeks profit share is gone. Be happy with 3 weeks, in reality we should not have gotten anything as we did not make the target. Other airlines are suffering or even closing down. You work for a airline with a solid foundation, job security and a safe environment to raise your family. I'm happy with 3 weeks. It will pay for my holiday this summer. Thanks Emirates.
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Shag with a attitude like yours and publicity stating your beliefs it is no wonder the company is laughing at us. Did you develop your views while paying for your Type Rating at Ryanair?
We are underpaid and have the highest work hours in the Industry and we have SCs going around saying EK is great. This is going to be the norm now with the company lowering the requirements to 2000 flying hours. We as pilots don't have a chance.
We are underpaid and have the highest work hours in the Industry and we have SCs going around saying EK is great. This is going to be the norm now with the company lowering the requirements to 2000 flying hours. We as pilots don't have a chance.
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Shangaan
Read your emails! We did meet our target!!
As for job security, it's on the line every flight you do!
If you think this is a safe environment to raise a family, I pity where you're from!
Read your emails! We did meet our target!!
As for job security, it's on the line every flight you do!
If you think this is a safe environment to raise a family, I pity where you're from!