2014/15 leave
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2014/15 leave
I am thinking we have a new winner in the worse leave bid year stakes. This one may even outdo the horses "we set a target of 30 days per pilot and almost made it" year.
I really hope the grown ups don't have to suffer the same inconvenience.
(I didn't really mean that last bit )
The Don
I really hope the grown ups don't have to suffer the same inconvenience.
(I didn't really mean that last bit )
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Don, it's not too surprising as they did just recently do away with their own system of secondary bids and introduce some new, unprecedented, "Ad Hoc" program of partial year bids in place of the previous annual secondary bid process.
They cancelled previous bids, turning the established program on its head and replacing it with another "from the hip" patch-work program which suits no one other than them. Najoums all around.
If we operated airplanes the same way we'd be fired.
They cancelled previous bids, turning the established program on its head and replacing it with another "from the hip" patch-work program which suits no one other than them. Najoums all around.
If we operated airplanes the same way we'd be fired.
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We get 42 days- 30 days annual leave and 12 days in lieu of public holidays. We have to take 30 days as a minimum (unless the company decides to give us less).
Leave can be peak (school holidays, basically) or non-peak. Minimum during peak is 2 weeks, max is 4 weeks. During non-peak minimum is 4 days. If you don't get any peak leave one year you are supposed to get priority for the next year.
We only get one firm annual leave ticket per year per family member but as you can see it is impossible to take less than 2 periods of leave per year- you are allowed a maximum of 4 periods of leave.
Leave can be peak (school holidays, basically) or non-peak. Minimum during peak is 2 weeks, max is 4 weeks. During non-peak minimum is 4 days. If you don't get any peak leave one year you are supposed to get priority for the next year.
We only get one firm annual leave ticket per year per family member but as you can see it is impossible to take less than 2 periods of leave per year- you are allowed a maximum of 4 periods of leave.
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Yes, but remember, you are a semi-government worker!
That means just about nothing more than ...... any kind of rules they invented the last two minutes apply to you. Or to put it more mildly, you are almost a volunteer to enhance our dear rulers wallet and sustain all his distant cousins and nephews who think, during their golf-round or escapades to some disco in their muscle car, you are stealing from the company and country when you are on leave.
That means just about nothing more than ...... any kind of rules they invented the last two minutes apply to you. Or to put it more mildly, you are almost a volunteer to enhance our dear rulers wallet and sustain all his distant cousins and nephews who think, during their golf-round or escapades to some disco in their muscle car, you are stealing from the company and country when you are on leave.
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Email from HR telling like it is
Dear Captain Gulf News
Thank you for you email regarding the leave bidding system and staff travel. At Emirates we like to believe we are industry leaders especially in the field of Human Resources so let me take time to explain the system to you. Primary leave bidding for the year April 2014 to March 2015 opened in November and closed in December. It is not our fault that only 5% of pilots received any of the leave they bid for this is due to tough market conditions and currency fluctuations that are putting pressure on the companies ambitions to make a billion dollar profit this financial year. We then opened and closed the Secondary leave bidding without allocating any leave and replaced this with an ad hoc bidding round which saw a further 2% of pilots awarded leave. To keep everyone on their toes we then introduced a further round of Ad hoc bidding for the A330/340 fleet and delayed the final round for all fleets with the aim of ensuring that at least a further 2% of the pilot workforce gets leave. Our aim other than to confuse and cloud the issue to such an extent that nobody really know if they have leave or not is to ensure that the deficiencies of the manpower planners become your problem not ours.
Whilst this may be time consuming once again it is your time and not ours. We know that you will have a lot of time on your hands anyway as due to the runway closure and subsequent reduction in flights no seats will be available for ALTs. This in addition to the recently highly popular introduction of enhanced travel benefits means that you wont be going anywhere anyway. If data shows that you can still afford to avail of staff travel with the newly introduced fares matrix then this will be addressed later in the year when the annual salary review is announced.
Looking ahead you will be happy to know that for next year EEJITS have produced a state of the art leave-bidding App for mobile devices. You will be able to download it from Spring by using your staff number and epin coupled with your mother’s maiden name and four simple security questions, an attested copy of your passport, UAE ID card and four passport photographs with a blue background. The app will be very user friendly and is being trialled at the moment by the same people that conducted the user trials on the new uniform. It is of little consequence that the people who conduct these trails will never have to use the system and have little idea of the practicalities involved, the main aim is to be able to write a glowing article in SAFAR about how clever we are.
I hope this goes some way to explaining our position. In closing may I quote from a soon to be formalised amendment to the Employee regulation manual which will state. If you don’t like it you know where the door is.
Sincerely (not Really)
H R Numpty
Thank you for you email regarding the leave bidding system and staff travel. At Emirates we like to believe we are industry leaders especially in the field of Human Resources so let me take time to explain the system to you. Primary leave bidding for the year April 2014 to March 2015 opened in November and closed in December. It is not our fault that only 5% of pilots received any of the leave they bid for this is due to tough market conditions and currency fluctuations that are putting pressure on the companies ambitions to make a billion dollar profit this financial year. We then opened and closed the Secondary leave bidding without allocating any leave and replaced this with an ad hoc bidding round which saw a further 2% of pilots awarded leave. To keep everyone on their toes we then introduced a further round of Ad hoc bidding for the A330/340 fleet and delayed the final round for all fleets with the aim of ensuring that at least a further 2% of the pilot workforce gets leave. Our aim other than to confuse and cloud the issue to such an extent that nobody really know if they have leave or not is to ensure that the deficiencies of the manpower planners become your problem not ours.
Whilst this may be time consuming once again it is your time and not ours. We know that you will have a lot of time on your hands anyway as due to the runway closure and subsequent reduction in flights no seats will be available for ALTs. This in addition to the recently highly popular introduction of enhanced travel benefits means that you wont be going anywhere anyway. If data shows that you can still afford to avail of staff travel with the newly introduced fares matrix then this will be addressed later in the year when the annual salary review is announced.
Looking ahead you will be happy to know that for next year EEJITS have produced a state of the art leave-bidding App for mobile devices. You will be able to download it from Spring by using your staff number and epin coupled with your mother’s maiden name and four simple security questions, an attested copy of your passport, UAE ID card and four passport photographs with a blue background. The app will be very user friendly and is being trialled at the moment by the same people that conducted the user trials on the new uniform. It is of little consequence that the people who conduct these trails will never have to use the system and have little idea of the practicalities involved, the main aim is to be able to write a glowing article in SAFAR about how clever we are.
I hope this goes some way to explaining our position. In closing may I quote from a soon to be formalised amendment to the Employee regulation manual which will state. If you don’t like it you know where the door is.
Sincerely (not Really)
H R Numpty
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Absolute gold GN. But sadly true.
I sent an email and the auto response stated the recipient was away on leave. I think Alanis Morissette has written songs about things not even as perverse as this.
The Don
I sent an email and the auto response stated the recipient was away on leave. I think Alanis Morissette has written songs about things not even as perverse as this.
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sorry for the silly question.....
are the leave award now today???
I mean....
i got 0 days the first bid and it seams 0 days also on this ad hoc session.......
Or maybe are not yet published???
are the leave award now today???
I mean....
i got 0 days the first bid and it seams 0 days also on this ad hoc session.......
Or maybe are not yet published???
I'm not working for EK yet but just to make sure i've got this right. Despite the fact that you have 42 days of leave (sounds great when i read it under the benefits section) you cannot take it in blocks of 7 days or blocks of 10 days?
Also as you operate on a random roster, if you get a block of 7 days are there any wrap around days attached to it to make it a longer break or could they roster you to work until your last day and then roster you to work on your first day back?
Also as you operate on a random roster, if you get a block of 7 days are there any wrap around days attached to it to make it a longer break or could they roster you to work until your last day and then roster you to work on your first day back?
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You can (and sometimes do) work until 23:59 the day before your leave. You will get one day off after your leave (regardless of how long it is) to make sure you are back in Dubai the required 12 hours before your next duty starts. Sometimes you will have to travel back on your last rostered day of leave- you can be at work at 06:00 2 days after your leave finishes.
You can take 4 blocks of 10 days off but none of it could be peak. You can't take 4 blocks of 7 days as that wouldn't add up to 30 days- two blocks of 8 days and 2 of 7 would work but again none of it could be peak.
You can take 4 blocks of 10 days off but none of it could be peak. You can't take 4 blocks of 7 days as that wouldn't add up to 30 days- two blocks of 8 days and 2 of 7 would work but again none of it could be peak.
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And now they will force leave on A330 fleet in May and June! Screw your plans for any holidays you want!!!
Message to all those thinking of joining, think before you leave a good job back home!!!!
Message to all those thinking of joining, think before you leave a good job back home!!!!
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Skysod you are totally wright.
There is not only emirates...and i would say that for how things are going here now I would suggest all the new joiners to think twice..........
There is not only emirates...and i would say that for how things are going here now I would suggest all the new joiners to think twice..........
So during a year i will take 30 as a minimum but entitlement is 42, so do I or do I not get 42?
So during peak i can only take a minimum of 14 days and a maximum of 28?
During off-peak minimum 4 days but no maximum?
So can i take 2 blocks of 14 days during peak periods and 2 blocks of 7 days during off peak to reach the 42 days?
Can i take 7 blocks of 7 days during off peak periods to reach the 42 days?
Can i take 2 blocks of 12 days and 1 block of 10 days and 2 block of 4 days all during off peak periods?
I will appreciate the answers to these questions.
So during peak i can only take a minimum of 14 days and a maximum of 28?
During off-peak minimum 4 days but no maximum?
So can i take 2 blocks of 14 days during peak periods and 2 blocks of 7 days during off peak to reach the 42 days?
Can i take 7 blocks of 7 days during off peak periods to reach the 42 days?
Can i take 2 blocks of 12 days and 1 block of 10 days and 2 block of 4 days all during off peak periods?
I will appreciate the answers to these questions.
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Rather than waste a lot of bandwidth Stable, I will try and keep it simple. You will get, when available and when it suits the company, the min of 30 days leave per year. If you are lucky you may get more. You may get leave when you ask for it, but sometimes you will get the leave that the company thinks would be better for you. They call this forced leave. It normally comes in blocks of 4 days, which on a ordinary month would be called days off.
Luckily, regardless of how many days off..oops I mean leave , you get per month, you will still be able to fly the required 92hrs.
There are no answers to your leave permutation questions. Because it just depends. We do not know what it depends upon though.
It would seem that this runway thing is being blamed for the Leave "problems" this year. I now feel very embarrassed as I knew about the runway closure last year. I apologise to you all for not letting those in charge of leave planning know about it.
The Don
Luckily, regardless of how many days off..oops I mean leave , you get per month, you will still be able to fly the required 92hrs.
There are no answers to your leave permutation questions. Because it just depends. We do not know what it depends upon though.
It would seem that this runway thing is being blamed for the Leave "problems" this year. I now feel very embarrassed as I knew about the runway closure last year. I apologise to you all for not letting those in charge of leave planning know about it.
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Am I misunderstanding the latest leave change letter? My reading of it was that the ad hoc rebid was to be published today.
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