Boeings turn to take Emirates money

[falconeasydriver]

Don, I'm waiting for the first "auto TCAS" being flown in SIN or HKG from a ships transponder in the near vicinity, or maybe a new Boeing convert in manual flight performing a GA and wondering why the thing is spearing towards the tarmac

Back to the subject, does anyone know if this newer 777 will have better seats up front? or perhaps an intergrated EFB? rather than the dogs breakfast we currently have.

Mention has been made here about the non feed back of Airbus side sticks, whilst true that there is no direct tactile feed back, there is a loud audio and visual cue in front of the pilots eyes on the Glare shield. A loud Audio Alert DUAL INPUT Sounds and a PRIORITY LEFT/RIGHT Audio and Visual RED Arrow cues available. Clearly and tragically this was not interpreted by the operating pilots on the Air France case.
Similarly the Tactile moving AutoThrust Cues were not detected by the Turkish air Crash when their throttles moved into a flare mode and stayed there til it was too late to recover

Dual input isn't the issue, tactile feedback is, its how our brains work and interpret information (remember how you learned to ride a bike/learnt to drive/fly?). The turkish incident merely highlights poor airmanship and technique, a known fault,close to the ground=time for extra vigilance.
For ANY thrust reduction/addition your hands should be on the thrust levers..period, it would have I believe saved the day in SFO as well.

[donpizmeov]

Falcon have you ever received an RA from a ships transponder? Do you understand how TCAS works? Kids today, thick as management pilots the lot of them.

Not sure why a convert would have trouble flying a go around manually. The fellas that have crossed dressed lately have been very good and attitude flying is attitude flying, but then the FDs auto appear anyway. So not seeing your point on this one.

The don

[falconeasydriver]

Do you understand how TCAS works?

Yes, very well in fact, I also know how AIS works, how it's interrogated and of course how it can in certain circumstances mimic a mode C target, so the question is Don, do YOU understand how TCAS works and are you aware of some of its specific limitations?
I have received a TA from a vessel of the high seas (In a product from TLS), and I'm fairly confident the the manufacturer of both transponders are aware of the potential for this event to occur.
Ignorance is bliss?

Re, GA's do you slavishly follow your FD's, do you remember the pitch v power couple? FWIW I've seen AB->B converts do their best to stall on a GA as they happily let the jet pitch up in GA power and forget to trim....

[donpizmeov]

Falcon,

It could be my accent, but have you ever had a RA from a boat? Really, its not too hard a question.

Falcon good on you for seeing someone forget to trim. You Numpty. No, I have seen the Boeing the to Airbus guys do a great job of flying the aircraft with and without the FDs. Its just another aeroplane mate, I know its easy to be scared of things you don't understand, but we do our best to teach this stuff, I promise. Power plus attitude still equals performance, even in the Bus. Who would have guessed.

The Don

[falconeasydriver]

YES the potential exists for an RA, NO I have never received one from a ship...but as I said, I'm not ignorant to the possibility.
A month spent in Toulouse when the 320 family was introduced at my previous airline job, including observing several B1 flights gave me a pretty good idea of how the AB FBW architecture works, and it's apparent traps.

[vfenext]

This thread is simply embarrassing. Grow up children and try to act like professional pilots. The best aircraft is the one that pays the highest salary. Sometimes thats a Boeing, sometimes an Airbus and sometimes its neither.

[three eighty]

But an Airbus will let you make an error of 100tonnes into the FMC to generate takeoff speeds??

Yes that same Airbus that you have continually called crap since joining EK.
Yes that same Airbus that you claim is costing us our profit share.
Yes that same Airbus that can't possibly compete economically with the 777.
Yes that same Airbus that is about as useful as your Hummer.
Yes that same Airbus that you are asking to transfer to.

Gosh we'd be absolutely delighted to have you join us!

[ramius315]

Oblaaspop,

No you are not wrong. In this case the 320 would have done as you said.

But you have tunnel vision. All you can see is this single incident. My point is that Airbus is the manufacturer that has had by far the over-whelming number of mode-confusion incidents/accidents of any manufacturer. So to make your statement that 'airbus wouldn't have crashed...' and do your head-banging is extremely amusing in the least.

Simply because Airbus wins hands-down for the number of incidents/accidents caused by confusion in mode-awareness.

[Oblaaspop]

Not at all my friend, you clearly used the SFO Asiana accident as a point of reference for an example of how tough the B777 is - I was merely pointing out that the Airbus wouldn't have allowed that to happen in the first place as it's auto thrust doesn't go to sleep and need waking up!

Incidentally I can think of a few examples of mode confusion as the causal factor of accidents for EACH manufacturer.... Just as I can think of a couple of examples of how the 'bus stayed intact after an accident to allow ALL occupants to escape (AF A340 in YYZ, VS A340 LHR, US A320 Hudson, Jet Blue A320 Long Beach).

But as others have said, who really gives a toss? I've been flying wide body Airbus products for cracking on for 15 years and never had any issues with the man machine interface, just the same as you in your Boeing - two cracking bits of kit essentially doing the same job - only ignorance clouds the water