Who can afford living in Dubai?
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TeaTowel, pot meet kettle. You're desperate to get into CX right? Guess what happened to the SO contract recently for expats? They reduced the housing allowance to an unimaginably small amount. What's that? No real hours to log? No real type rating? No take offs and landings? And you still apply? But what about everyone else's T's and C's?
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Yes I was. Then I did some research. You didn't even mention the 49ers, and some suicides.
And as I found in my research, 3 years ago the offer was even worse, 59 out of 60 applicants rejected it. I guess you would have been the on who accepted and told everyone: "this is how it is and we have to accept!"
And as I found in my research, 3 years ago the offer was even worse, 59 out of 60 applicants rejected it. I guess you would have been the on who accepted and told everyone: "this is how it is and we have to accept!"
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The same reason they accepted low offers in FR......to get in the door. The Cancer spreads to different organs.
The most deadly aspect of cancer is its ability to spread, or metastasize. Cancer cells initially group together to form a primary tumor(Ryanair). Once the tumor is formed, cells may begin to break off from this tumor and travel to other parts of the body(Other airlines). This process is metastasis. These cancer cells that travel through the body are capable of establishing new tumors in locations remote from the site of the original disease(Lowering of Ts&Cs).
The most deadly aspect of cancer is its ability to spread, or metastasize. Cancer cells initially group together to form a primary tumor(Ryanair). Once the tumor is formed, cells may begin to break off from this tumor and travel to other parts of the body(Other airlines). This process is metastasis. These cancer cells that travel through the body are capable of establishing new tumors in locations remote from the site of the original disease(Lowering of Ts&Cs).
You also make no mention of what you consider a cancer free airline.
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Herein lies the problem.
Pilots could stick together as a body of professionals when face with threats to their income and lifestyle.
But what do we do? We blame each other and only worry about our own little bubble. Must be in our nature with the alpha-ego thing I guess.
Pilots of one airline are a 'cancer' because they didn't turn down a job offer based on better conditions than what they had?
In that case I guess all current EK pilots moved here not for the better conditions than their previous job, but simply for the chance to live in this region of the world. I bet they sat there in the interview and said "this contracts not good enough for me, improve it please then I'll have a think and call you back...".
Pilots could stick together as a body of professionals when face with threats to their income and lifestyle.
But what do we do? We blame each other and only worry about our own little bubble. Must be in our nature with the alpha-ego thing I guess.
Pilots of one airline are a 'cancer' because they didn't turn down a job offer based on better conditions than what they had?
In that case I guess all current EK pilots moved here not for the better conditions than their previous job, but simply for the chance to live in this region of the world. I bet they sat there in the interview and said "this contracts not good enough for me, improve it please then I'll have a think and call you back...".
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I am always pleased when I pitch at the briefing room and find that my FO is ex-Ryan Air.
In EVERY case, they have been totally professional, switched on and easy to get along with. Ooooh ... they can fly an aeroplane too!
Our conditions went down the tubes before these guys even thought of joining EK, circa Sept 2008!
These nitwits who harp on about the Ryan Air influx keeping our conditions where they are have themselves to blame in equal measure. By staying you are doing exactly the same thing. Vote with your feet girls.
Face it, all we have here (at EK) are guys who didn't make the grade with the legacy carriers.
Live and let live.
In EVERY case, they have been totally professional, switched on and easy to get along with. Ooooh ... they can fly an aeroplane too!
Our conditions went down the tubes before these guys even thought of joining EK, circa Sept 2008!
These nitwits who harp on about the Ryan Air influx keeping our conditions where they are have themselves to blame in equal measure. By staying you are doing exactly the same thing. Vote with your feet girls.
Face it, all we have here (at EK) are guys who didn't make the grade with the legacy carriers.
Live and let live.
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A little harsh there I think Nakbin. In order to 'make the grade' at most legacy carriers you would need to begin your career with them in your mid 20s at the very latest to realistically get a shot at a wide body command. Most guys I know at EK didn't have that as an option at the start of their careers for a myriad of different reasons - no airlines recruiting, mil flying until late 30s, etc etc.
I am a fairly new DEC with EK but so far I have to say that the guys I have flown with have, almost without exception, been superb in both attitude and ability.
I have been an expat for almost 20 years now and have flown with 2 major SE Asian Carriers throughout that time. Operational standards at EK are better than each of my previous carriers and down route support is superb.
Are terms and conditions at EK an issue for me? Yes, they are as I don't like the trend. But am I ever worried about the calibre of the guy or girl sat next to me? No.
Otherwise I agree with you 100%
I am a fairly new DEC with EK but so far I have to say that the guys I have flown with have, almost without exception, been superb in both attitude and ability.
I have been an expat for almost 20 years now and have flown with 2 major SE Asian Carriers throughout that time. Operational standards at EK are better than each of my previous carriers and down route support is superb.
Are terms and conditions at EK an issue for me? Yes, they are as I don't like the trend. But am I ever worried about the calibre of the guy or girl sat next to me? No.
Otherwise I agree with you 100%
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Didnt make the grade....?
Speak for yourself. I know plenty national carrier guys that left to come to EK. Legacy carriers are not necessarily the best to work for... Who made up that name anyway..Legacy!!
20 years in the left seat at home or 3 years with EK. Of cause you are not uprooting your family just so you can enjoy a left seat...but circumstances sometimes push in one direction. For me it was easy. I was single without kids.
Talking to guys the have left EK to go back to their old jobs, I am happy to hear that EK is a very good operator and the training is very thorough.
Speak for yourself. I know plenty national carrier guys that left to come to EK. Legacy carriers are not necessarily the best to work for... Who made up that name anyway..Legacy!!
20 years in the left seat at home or 3 years with EK. Of cause you are not uprooting your family just so you can enjoy a left seat...but circumstances sometimes push in one direction. For me it was easy. I was single without kids.
Talking to guys the have left EK to go back to their old jobs, I am happy to hear that EK is a very good operator and the training is very thorough.
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Nakbin, you obviously have some serious issues.
Some of us had offers back home with legacy carriers but decided at the time that EK was the best move. At that time the package was great compared with what was being offered back home.
So, please stop trying to talk to everyone here like you know better......in fact you just sound like a child who didn't get what he wanted. Better luck next time champ!
Joke.
Some of us had offers back home with legacy carriers but decided at the time that EK was the best move. At that time the package was great compared with what was being offered back home.
So, please stop trying to talk to everyone here like you know better......in fact you just sound like a child who didn't get what he wanted. Better luck next time champ!
Joke.
Well our legacy carrier hasn't recruited since 2008, and it takes on average 8.5 years to become an FO just on a 737. The tax rate is near enough to 46%, the country is broke because of the last 
wits running the country, the average rent in Sydney for a 2 bed unfurnished joint is $600/week, property prices are skyrocketing because of investors overseas, so I'll never be able to own a place here because an actual house costs an average of $1.1million, school fees are $4000 aud/term and some of you have the audacity to sit there and say we're not good enough to make the grade where we come from, so we 'settle' for EK?
wits running the country, the average rent in Sydney for a 2 bed unfurnished joint is $600/week, property prices are skyrocketing because of investors overseas, so I'll never be able to own a place here because an actual house costs an average of $1.1million, school fees are $4000 aud/term and some of you have the audacity to sit there and say we're not good enough to make the grade where we come from, so we 'settle' for EK?
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Herein lies the problem.
Pilots could stick together as a body of professionals when face with threats to their income and lifestyle.
Pilots could stick together as a body of professionals when face with threats to their income and lifestyle.
A $20 Billion dollar order for A380s today. Its hardly lack of money that conditions are going down here or elsewhere. Just guys accepting it.
No matter what, our time in Dubai is going to make for some pretty entertaining dinner conversation when we all pack up and move back to the civilized world. You only get one shot at this life thing and hiding in you home country experiencing what you know is a waste. We have an opportunity to embrace something else here. Enjoy it. As soon as you start comparing it to what was your home town, it is of course never going to match up and will eat you. Experience it and enjoy the differences. Pack up and go when you are done. They can't.
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LHRRain wrote:
The Accomadation Dept wants to pay only what our lease is and not a penny more. So all of you single fellas living in a 1 bedroom flat paying 65,000 dhs will only get paid 65,000 dhs for live out allowance and the company will keep the difference now, not you.
Yeah, this makes about as much sense as them cutting schooling allowance and ERP. Not gonna happen. Move on.
The Accomadation Dept wants to pay only what our lease is and not a penny more. So all of you single fellas living in a 1 bedroom flat paying 65,000 dhs will only get paid 65,000 dhs for live out allowance and the company will keep the difference now, not you.
Yeah, this makes about as much sense as them cutting schooling allowance and ERP. Not gonna happen. Move on.