The Announcement May 9th
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if I only taxied single engine 11% more none of this would have happened....
jeeze i'm sorry
(oh and idle reverse too)
jeeze i'm sorry
(oh and idle reverse too)
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Seaman styanes has it in one!
I know Scotty 777 will say I told you so but f**k me! That was not expected and being down route right now the whole crew is gutted and thinking wtf!!!!! I won't be surprised if only 12 turn up for pick up!!!
I know Scotty 777 will say I told you so but f**k me! That was not expected and being down route right now the whole crew is gutted and thinking wtf!!!!! I won't be surprised if only 12 turn up for pick up!!!
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GREAT BONUS...
HAH... no bonus, as I expected, I have seen this too long. More savings, restrictions, more demands for benefits... to whom? I was not expecting any bonus anyhow, but for the "air" for VERY hard working staff, this is a quite a fiasco. This is not improving to achieve the goal requested by the "managers".
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As per previous posters I must say that I am very disappointed (but not surprised) by the news from our great leaders. When I put on my sensible head I may conclude that it's not personal and only business. If this is indeed the case then I use my business basics to add up the numbers to decide if this job is now financially competitive with other airlines. Personally I feel that the profit share was required to bring the wages here up to a level to compete elsewhere. I would be interested to see how the numbers comare with the other airline up the road. You really have to look at the pros and cons, put a number on each of these, and decide if its worth the financial package. I must say that without a decent annual profit share then my answer is no. I often hear the old chestnut about "we are lucky to have a job" and "there are no jobs back in my own country". I am afraid that as long as management are aware of this sentiment we will continue to be shafted, not only financially but in a continuing erosion of respect for the workforce. I believe that many of us won't be going above and beyond to help out the company in future. Pre briefing oneself with gabi, jumping in the company car to work before actual pick up time, arriving at briefing room earlier than our already fictional briefing time along with all the previous stated operational cost saving measures are certainly something I will be giving great consideration.
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The lack of motivation and disillusionment was very much evident back on arrival into Dubai, this morning for us at least. Stand guidance wasn't switched on, no communication from ground crew whatsoever after stopping on stand, despite trying to make contact with them. Furthermore, the GCU was connected but wasn't switched on. One got the feeling that the Dnata boys that were allocated to look after us, just simply didn't care this morning.
The people who I feel sorry for the most are not our colleagues but our passengers. They are the ones that will suffer in the days, weeks and months ahead. On time performance will get worse, cabin crew won't go the extra mile and ground staff will be nonchalant when it comes to tight connections and the like. The timing of the planned closure of 12L/30R this summer could not have been planned at a worse time!
As is often joked 'If you don't like it, then go somewhere else'. Never a truer word as indeed many will..... it will sadly be our passengers.
I wonder how many years of installments Sheikh Mo has left to pay as I hope Sheikh Khalifa's interest rate is not too punishing!!!
The people who I feel sorry for the most are not our colleagues but our passengers. They are the ones that will suffer in the days, weeks and months ahead. On time performance will get worse, cabin crew won't go the extra mile and ground staff will be nonchalant when it comes to tight connections and the like. The timing of the planned closure of 12L/30R this summer could not have been planned at a worse time!
As is often joked 'If you don't like it, then go somewhere else'. Never a truer word as indeed many will..... it will sadly be our passengers.
I wonder how many years of installments Sheikh Mo has left to pay as I hope Sheikh Khalifa's interest rate is not too punishing!!!
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Really, really gutted! 
Profit share is definitely a thing from the past!
I was not very hopeful, but I still thought we might get a little something though. What a big disappointment!
I actually feel cheated, to tell the truth. My decision to come here was based, amongst other things, on getting a "bonus" (maybe not every year, but at least, on a regular basis) as it was making the overall package more attractive. We can forget about that now....
All about fake appearances and empty promises...
Profit share is definitely a thing from the past!
I was not very hopeful, but I still thought we might get a little something though. What a big disappointment!
I actually feel cheated, to tell the truth. My decision to come here was based, amongst other things, on getting a "bonus" (maybe not every year, but at least, on a regular basis) as it was making the overall package more attractive. We can forget about that now....
All about fake appearances and empty promises...
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It surprises me how naive some EK pilots are. The writing was on the wall. Do a bit of research on Dubai's financial situation and all will be revealed. People think it's bounced back, maybe in some very small area's, but have a look at the overall BAD situation it's in. For one 110B US in debt . Trying to push tourism in Dubai is a joke, there is a very dark side to this place. Expats have to remember the 2 bucket plan.
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I understand Dubai Ports got 3 months share/bonus. Do they contribute?
If you guys can't see that EK has become the primary main source bailout to DP World and Dubai's $110b debt, then please enlighten me to another company here that makes as much profit as we do...
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Scotty 777
Scotty what have you heard on the grapevine then regarding the runway closures?
I like everyone is majorly pi#*+d off (not though surprised) about the total lack of recognition and the demotivation felt on the flight back yesterday was visibly noticeable. No doubt by the pax as well. Dangerous and stupid by our "leaders". And to totally demotivate everyone for the coming year by not even dangling the carrot of an achievable target for the coming year shows not just their undeniable greed but also their total lack of man management ability.
This is starting to show all the hallmarks of my previous Irish lcc employer - he's not sneaked onto the board has he?!!
I like everyone is majorly pi#*+d off (not though surprised) about the total lack of recognition and the demotivation felt on the flight back yesterday was visibly noticeable. No doubt by the pax as well. Dangerous and stupid by our "leaders". And to totally demotivate everyone for the coming year by not even dangling the carrot of an achievable target for the coming year shows not just their undeniable greed but also their total lack of man management ability.
This is starting to show all the hallmarks of my previous Irish lcc employer - he's not sneaked onto the board has he?!!
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helen-damnation
I suppose if that's true, then part of the bailout instalment includes a bonus to their hard working port boys/girls!
On a different note, lets contact those top 3% OTP Captains again and see if they're still willing to share what their secret is to getting their flight dispatched on time. I'll delegate my PA to the augment captain next time, that should do the trick...oh wait, where's our tug? Damn, I must write this up in my EK/QF note book.
I suppose if that's true, then part of the bailout instalment includes a bonus to their hard working port boys/girls!
On a different note, lets contact those top 3% OTP Captains again and see if they're still willing to share what their secret is to getting their flight dispatched on time. I'll delegate my PA to the augment captain next time, that should do the trick...oh wait, where's our tug? Damn, I must write this up in my EK/QF note book.
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Fwiw, FZ did indeed get 3 weeks worth of 'Basic Salary' as a bonus (payable to anybody whom had been in the company for more than 6 months). However, that bonus payment needs to be put into context with the fact that since 2008 (when FZ started) there has only been the following:
Fwiw, the current rumour inside FZ is that there is going to be some sort of increase in Basic Salary for 2013 (to be back-dated to 1st April), BUT that it will only be for Captain's on the 'C' scale (and don't even ask about the ineptitude that resulted in all the pay scales!); i.e. in an endeavour to lift them up to at least the same level as Captain's on the present 'B' scale, and that in 2014 the then 'B' scale Captain's will then be lifted up to the same rate as Captains on present the 'A' scale; And, any bonuses aside, in that interim period: the present 'A' scale Captains will get no increase for at least the next 2 years; the 'B' scale Captains will get no increase for at least the next 1 year; and that all 'Allowances' will, respectively, stay pegged!
At the CP's meeting (last week), where the COO was in attendance, when questioned about the evident dramatic increase in the cost of accommodation, the COO drawled a response that this was being caused by those dastardly opportunistic realtors / estate-agents and that FZ was not going to play into their hands with any increase in the 'Accommodation Allowance' for its staff (remembering that FZ's Accommodation Allowance has not changed, by even one Fil, since 2008).
Any reality in respect to the ever increasing prices of all commodities in Dubai, results in Management doing a head-in-the-sand denial that even an Ostrich would be proud of!
And as for loyalty, hard work, commitment? These are evidently measured in terms of months of service, i.e. 6 months to be precise, 'coz that's seemingly all the time it takes to be in FZ to be worthy of a 'bonus'.
Regardless of which side of R12/R30 you reside, it's the same **** that's in one of those two buckets!
- In 2010: A 2% increase in 'Basic Salary'.
- In 2012: A 10 Dhs per hour increase in 'Flight Pay' (block hour pay).
- No increase in 'Accommodation Allowance' (remembering that FZ do not provide company housing); and likewise
- No increase in 'Transport Allowance' (remembering that FZ do not provided a limo pick-up service to / from work)
Fwiw, the current rumour inside FZ is that there is going to be some sort of increase in Basic Salary for 2013 (to be back-dated to 1st April), BUT that it will only be for Captain's on the 'C' scale (and don't even ask about the ineptitude that resulted in all the pay scales!); i.e. in an endeavour to lift them up to at least the same level as Captain's on the present 'B' scale, and that in 2014 the then 'B' scale Captain's will then be lifted up to the same rate as Captains on present the 'A' scale; And, any bonuses aside, in that interim period: the present 'A' scale Captains will get no increase for at least the next 2 years; the 'B' scale Captains will get no increase for at least the next 1 year; and that all 'Allowances' will, respectively, stay pegged!
At the CP's meeting (last week), where the COO was in attendance, when questioned about the evident dramatic increase in the cost of accommodation, the COO drawled a response that this was being caused by those dastardly opportunistic realtors / estate-agents and that FZ was not going to play into their hands with any increase in the 'Accommodation Allowance' for its staff (remembering that FZ's Accommodation Allowance has not changed, by even one Fil, since 2008).
Any reality in respect to the ever increasing prices of all commodities in Dubai, results in Management doing a head-in-the-sand denial that even an Ostrich would be proud of!
And as for loyalty, hard work, commitment? These are evidently measured in terms of months of service, i.e. 6 months to be precise, 'coz that's seemingly all the time it takes to be in FZ to be worthy of a 'bonus'.
Regardless of which side of R12/R30 you reside, it's the same **** that's in one of those two buckets!
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It is clear that the days of profit share are over. The company has a clear intention now to the re invest excess profits and feels a duty or fulfills an obligation to repay / compensate the Dubai government for the mistakes of the past.
Motivated by greed and the above, the days of the sharing of profits are clearly over. A share in the profits in any organization is a powerful motivational tool used by progressive companies to maximize future potential profits.
This company has saved today by not honoring this previously employed tactic and will pay tomorrow with the efforts of an understandably demoralized and unmotivated workforce. I believe they will pay by employees not implementing their pedantic cost cutting measures, a loss of good will and a maximization of sick leave to say the very least. I am not advocating this merely outlining the costs.
Motivated by greed and the above, the days of the sharing of profits are clearly over. A share in the profits in any organization is a powerful motivational tool used by progressive companies to maximize future potential profits.
This company has saved today by not honoring this previously employed tactic and will pay tomorrow with the efforts of an understandably demoralized and unmotivated workforce. I believe they will pay by employees not implementing their pedantic cost cutting measures, a loss of good will and a maximization of sick leave to say the very least. I am not advocating this merely outlining the costs.
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According to the financial report employee costs were 9 billion dirhams. I guess this includes all allowances and flight pay so the basic salary for all employees would be a bit less that this. But just 9Bn / 52 / 2 weeks equates into some 346 million dirhams. So now when they donīt have to pay this it pretty much comes to the same profit for the owner in the end of the day. Hopefully the profit target for 2012/13 included the intention of the 3% raise so still hoping for the best, but fearing the worst...