The Announcement May 9th
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This highlights the fact that all you are is a contract employee and the company will use you and abuse you until you have had enough which suits there plan. EK's management style is and always has been "If you dont like it leave" EK is a LCC with wide bodies.
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The reason why I am really upset and feel cheated
is that profit share is part of the contract I signed and remuneration package I expect. I know PS depends on the company making a profit, but the company does make a profit. I don't really care about the practicalities.... It is way too easy to set up unrealistic targets or artificially reduce the profit!
If they start taking away what I signed for and what they promised, this is the beginning of the end. What's next?
is that profit share is part of the contract I signed and remuneration package I expect. I know PS depends on the company making a profit, but the company does make a profit. I don't really care about the practicalities.... It is way too easy to set up unrealistic targets or artificially reduce the profit!If they start taking away what I signed for and what they promised, this is the beginning of the end. What's next?
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DC, they ave been taking away things in our signed contract for years. "Operational needs" and "company's discretion" invalidate most of what you think you are entitled to. Back to your oars, the drum is beating. Nothing will change. The desperate from the LCC will continue to flock here. Once that plague has burned out maybe we will see some improvements. Until then, the beatings will continue until morale improves.
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And Lo!
There was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth. The Prince's subjects beseeched unto him and said "Lord, thou promised us but 6 months gone that we would share in the bounteous harvest. Yet, now thou giv'st the fruit of our labours to to the King who is in a spot of financial bother. What giveth, oh Lord?"
The Prince spake unto them, in a sweet and honeyed tongue. "Oh humble scrotes, dost thou not know that It Takes a World?" And, moving swiftly on, "Verily, the harvest was not half bad but we have battl'd with demons and had to give many coins to feed our beasts. Some of the harvest was promis'd as a dowry to join unto the Kingdom of Quonnus and some unto the begetters of 'Greetings the Morrow'. But fear not, my beloved workers, next year's harvest will be a right corker, no doubt, inshallah. Thou shalt have thy rewards if only thy can deliver 120%."
But the people were fearful and there was discord. "Lord, thou didst tell us we were thy chosen people and our riches would multiply beyond belief. Not only that, Lord, but our needs are many. Our women are weak and cannot work so we must pay servants one fortieth of our bounty to tidy up a bit and look after the kids. Plus there's a new Land Cruiser which will not buyest itself."
The Prince spake softly, as unto a child, "Thou art not my chosen people. Thou are unto me as the slaves are unto you that tend thy households and gardens. Speak not of your own greed but think of thy deeds to those less fortunate. Besides, if thou don't like it, thou can head back to the wastelands from whence thou came."
The people were crying and there was much wringing of the hands. A great cry went up, "Blimey, we've been rumbled. We should have listened to the prophet, Adolphe (pbuh), when he spake unto us and told us the Prince's land was not all it's cracked up to be."
But Adolphe had left the land of Silk and Money and was journeying to the place of his birth. For he had been wise with the Prince's bounty and had not given it to the innkeeper come Friday brunch, nor had he kept many slaves to wipe his ass or his oxen.
Here endeth the first lesson.
There was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth. The Prince's subjects beseeched unto him and said "Lord, thou promised us but 6 months gone that we would share in the bounteous harvest. Yet, now thou giv'st the fruit of our labours to to the King who is in a spot of financial bother. What giveth, oh Lord?"
The Prince spake unto them, in a sweet and honeyed tongue. "Oh humble scrotes, dost thou not know that It Takes a World?" And, moving swiftly on, "Verily, the harvest was not half bad but we have battl'd with demons and had to give many coins to feed our beasts. Some of the harvest was promis'd as a dowry to join unto the Kingdom of Quonnus and some unto the begetters of 'Greetings the Morrow'. But fear not, my beloved workers, next year's harvest will be a right corker, no doubt, inshallah. Thou shalt have thy rewards if only thy can deliver 120%."
But the people were fearful and there was discord. "Lord, thou didst tell us we were thy chosen people and our riches would multiply beyond belief. Not only that, Lord, but our needs are many. Our women are weak and cannot work so we must pay servants one fortieth of our bounty to tidy up a bit and look after the kids. Plus there's a new Land Cruiser which will not buyest itself."
The Prince spake softly, as unto a child, "Thou art not my chosen people. Thou are unto me as the slaves are unto you that tend thy households and gardens. Speak not of your own greed but think of thy deeds to those less fortunate. Besides, if thou don't like it, thou can head back to the wastelands from whence thou came."
The people were crying and there was much wringing of the hands. A great cry went up, "Blimey, we've been rumbled. We should have listened to the prophet, Adolphe (pbuh), when he spake unto us and told us the Prince's land was not all it's cracked up to be."
But Adolphe had left the land of Silk and Money and was journeying to the place of his birth. For he had been wise with the Prince's bounty and had not given it to the innkeeper come Friday brunch, nor had he kept many slaves to wipe his ass or his oxen.
Here endeth the first lesson.
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For he had been wise with the Prince's bounty and had not given it to the innkeeper come Friday brunch, nor had he kept many slaves to wipe his ass or his oxen.
Here endeth the first lesson.
Here endeth the first lesson.
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Lots of complaining and strong words. How much will turn into action? How many will leave because of this? Last I heard attrition is at record low levels. Literally hundreds waiting to join. DEC applications were wildly oversubscribed, reportedly over 1,000 qualified applicants. Supply and demand.
Let's have an unofficial pole: hands up everyone intending to leave in the next 6-12 months due to lack of bonus. Remember, with more than 3,400 pilots, any number less than about 150 is inconsequential. Until something happens, nothing will change.
FOK
Ps. I'm not leaving.
Let's have an unofficial pole: hands up everyone intending to leave in the next 6-12 months due to lack of bonus. Remember, with more than 3,400 pilots, any number less than about 150 is inconsequential. Until something happens, nothing will change.
FOK
Ps. I'm not leaving.
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adolf hucker:
One of the most unique, well versed and inventive posts on Pprune in years. I applaud your efforts. Well done Sir.
Having been in this company for many, many years and not one who indulges in the daily banter that is Pprune; I am stunned and appalled by the myopic, self serving corporate ethos displayed by our current "management" team (a term I use very loosely given the utter lack of management/leadership skills this current group has shown they possess over the past few years).
It is obvious to me this management team has forgotten this is a SERVICE industry and not a fuc#ing factory. As such, this company has forgotten its employees are a balance sheet ASSET; equally as valuable on the airlines balance sheet as any aircraft, building, computer system or executive lounge. An investment in each is required in order to maximize ROI, efficiency and productivity in a service industry such as aviation (perhaps I need to donate my subscription to Harvard Business Review to one of our "management" as they seem to have lost their way since grad school?).
Instead,these "EK geniuses" have determined those who actually deliver the bottom line in this service industry (ie. every single employee on the front line who actually makes this operation work day-to-day from the check-in staff, baggage handlers, cargo loaders, cleaning staff, caterers, station staff, engineers, cabin crew, pilots, etc, etc, etc) to be more a liability than an asset and that the fixed capital assets they invest in will ultimately deliver them to their "airline nirvana".
I strongly disagree and believe disregarding one of your most important service industry "balance sheet" bottom line assets (YOUR EMPLOYEES) is a stunning mistake.
I have been a proud contributer to the success of Emirates for a very long time. I cannot say what others might do. I can only say my personal contribution going forward will be SIGNIFICANTLY less than it was before this event. Not because I personally needed a "bonus" (believe me, I do not) but because fellow Emirates employees who are much less fortunate than I have worked their tails off for this company and have not been duly rewarded. I despise flagrant corporate greed displayed in such an abhorrent manner.
You each need to look into your soul to see where you stand.
Dune
One of the most unique, well versed and inventive posts on Pprune in years. I applaud your efforts. Well done Sir.
Having been in this company for many, many years and not one who indulges in the daily banter that is Pprune; I am stunned and appalled by the myopic, self serving corporate ethos displayed by our current "management" team (a term I use very loosely given the utter lack of management/leadership skills this current group has shown they possess over the past few years).
It is obvious to me this management team has forgotten this is a SERVICE industry and not a fuc#ing factory. As such, this company has forgotten its employees are a balance sheet ASSET; equally as valuable on the airlines balance sheet as any aircraft, building, computer system or executive lounge. An investment in each is required in order to maximize ROI, efficiency and productivity in a service industry such as aviation (perhaps I need to donate my subscription to Harvard Business Review to one of our "management" as they seem to have lost their way since grad school?).
Instead,these "EK geniuses" have determined those who actually deliver the bottom line in this service industry (ie. every single employee on the front line who actually makes this operation work day-to-day from the check-in staff, baggage handlers, cargo loaders, cleaning staff, caterers, station staff, engineers, cabin crew, pilots, etc, etc, etc) to be more a liability than an asset and that the fixed capital assets they invest in will ultimately deliver them to their "airline nirvana".
I strongly disagree and believe disregarding one of your most important service industry "balance sheet" bottom line assets (YOUR EMPLOYEES) is a stunning mistake.
I have been a proud contributer to the success of Emirates for a very long time. I cannot say what others might do. I can only say my personal contribution going forward will be SIGNIFICANTLY less than it was before this event. Not because I personally needed a "bonus" (believe me, I do not) but because fellow Emirates employees who are much less fortunate than I have worked their tails off for this company and have not been duly rewarded. I despise flagrant corporate greed displayed in such an abhorrent manner.
You each need to look into your soul to see where you stand.
Dune
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All attempts to watch the "NO BONUS" video on You Tube fails.
-Removed, banned, blocked... most likely - all of the above!
Anyone know if it can be found somewhere else?
Kind of makes you wonder how long we'll be able to discuss these subjects here and all...
-Removed, banned, blocked... most likely - all of the above!
Anyone know if it can be found somewhere else?
Kind of makes you wonder how long we'll be able to discuss these subjects here and all...
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Fringhtok:
My hand´s up. I´m leaving. Tought about it before. Just wantrd to wait for this announcment. Well, it helped me now with my decision. Enough of this sh*t! I wish they´d get a flood of resignations!
Hello tomorrow
My hand´s up. I´m leaving. Tought about it before. Just wantrd to wait for this announcment. Well, it helped me now with my decision. Enough of this sh*t! I wish they´d get a flood of resignations!
Hello tomorrow
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In a company the size of Emirates (airline or not) its not the ones that leave that cost the company the most money, its the ones that stay and are pissed off. What do I mean by this? 400 pilots leaving cause they are pissed off cost a lot less money than 3500 pilots uploading an extra tonne of gas every flight because they are pissed off. 3000 cabin crew leaving are far cheaper to replace than 16000 cabin crew letting all the passengers know about all the free things (think ear plugs and playing cards) that are on the airplane specifically for the customers and never get used because our pax didn't know it was there. They will now simply because the crew are pissed off and want the company to make less money since they aren't going to share anyways. Is the crew doing anything wrong, no, the passengers in theory paid for these things. When they are removed, passengers will switch carriers (its the little things that keep frequent flyers). 5000 ramp workers leaving cost a lot less money that 20000 ramp workers dragging their feet and causing every flight to be delayed by 10 minutes every day. Again, passengers will leave for other airlines if they are always delayed. You get the idea. This company's now problem isn't the ones that are going to leave, its the ones that are going to stay and be pissed off. And I am really sad to say that right now that is vast majority of everyone below a SVP level no matter what department you work in, even the boys and girls in the office. I can't say I am surprised, but I am very very disappointed. 1 announcement may have just brought this company to its knees for the near future. A small token, even a very small one (1 week bonus) would have gone a tremendous distance to say "you, our employees, are still important to us" Those days are over at EK and in fact most of the corporate world in general. 
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It is the arrogance of the management that is most telling. Talking or I should say lecturing us like we are stupid.
"We didn't get close to the target.". Well actually we reached target in Dec and we passed it by a long shot you just decided or were ordered to give 1 billion dhs to your bosses. That was about a 33% payment on the profits thank you very much.
"Our next year target is vey attainable.". Well even if we do have a good year (how can we not with our labor costs) you will give OUR profits to Dubai again and screw us for the 4th year in a row on the bonus or profit share.
I agree that a pissed off pilot IN the cockpit is much more dangerous than one that leaves the company. However a far too high percentage of the pilots here come from absolutely crap airlines and do not think EK is that bad. Makes you wonder what they put up with before. Do you think the Canadians are going to do anything drastic? Don't even mention the South Africans. They can cut our pay 50% and they ain't leaving and will still be happy. We are not even going to talk about the 3rd world pilots.
As long as Emirates keeps hiring from the dregs of the industry the company will keep on shafting like they did this week until something or someone hurts them where in counts. In the pocketbook. Don't count on it though, just look around at your colleagues.
"We didn't get close to the target.". Well actually we reached target in Dec and we passed it by a long shot you just decided or were ordered to give 1 billion dhs to your bosses. That was about a 33% payment on the profits thank you very much.
"Our next year target is vey attainable.". Well even if we do have a good year (how can we not with our labor costs) you will give OUR profits to Dubai again and screw us for the 4th year in a row on the bonus or profit share.
I agree that a pissed off pilot IN the cockpit is much more dangerous than one that leaves the company. However a far too high percentage of the pilots here come from absolutely crap airlines and do not think EK is that bad. Makes you wonder what they put up with before. Do you think the Canadians are going to do anything drastic? Don't even mention the South Africans. They can cut our pay 50% and they ain't leaving and will still be happy. We are not even going to talk about the 3rd world pilots.
As long as Emirates keeps hiring from the dregs of the industry the company will keep on shafting like they did this week until something or someone hurts them where in counts. In the pocketbook. Don't count on it though, just look around at your colleagues.
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I agree that a pissed off pilot IN the cockpit is much more dangerous than one that leaves the company. However a far too high percentage of the pilots here come from absolutely crap airlines and do not think EK is that bad. Makes you wonder what they put up with before. Do you think the Canadians are going to do anything drastic? Don't even mention the South Africans. They can cut our pay 50% and they ain't leaving and will still be happy. We are not even going to talk about the 3rd world pilots.
As long as Emirates keeps hiring from the dregs of the industry the company will keep on shafting like they did this week until something or someone hurts them where in counts. In the pocketbook. Don't count on it though, just look around at your colleagues.
I agree that a pissed off pilot IN the cockpit is much more dangerous than one that leaves the company. However a far too high percentage of the pilots here come from absolutely crap airlines and do not think EK is that bad. Makes you wonder what they put up with before. Do you think the Canadians are going to do anything drastic? Don't even mention the South Africans. They can cut our pay 50% and they ain't leaving and will still be happy. We are not even going to talk about the 3rd world pilots.
As long as Emirates keeps hiring from the dregs of the industry the company will keep on shafting like they did this week until something or someone hurts them where in counts. In the pocketbook. Don't count on it though, just look around at your colleagues.
If you haven't resigned yet I don't see how you are in any position to slag off your 'colleagues'.
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Crusader....
You might want to watch your words and how you choose to use them. You sound very condescending towards other countries and aviation backgrounds. Besides coming from the great US of A, what exactly is your background that makes you so superior? Let me guess, you are one of these astronauts that has to tell everyone about how good you were at your previous airline, how you were a Captain on this, a Captain on that, etc. I'm guessing you are prob still in the right seat and chances are there is a reason for that if you catch my drift (Does your previous PPC performance come to mind?)
Btw, I have many American friends and you sir are the type that gives the rest of them a bad name
You might want to watch your words and how you choose to use them. You sound very condescending towards other countries and aviation backgrounds. Besides coming from the great US of A, what exactly is your background that makes you so superior? Let me guess, you are one of these astronauts that has to tell everyone about how good you were at your previous airline, how you were a Captain on this, a Captain on that, etc. I'm guessing you are prob still in the right seat and chances are there is a reason for that if you catch my drift (Does your previous PPC performance come to mind?)
Btw, I have many American friends and you sir are the type that gives the rest of them a bad name
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The Announcement May 9th
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Aiming your frustrations at your colleagues in such misguided and poor manner is ridiculous. They are not the problem here, pilots with that attitude are.
Here's hoping there's a pay rise!
Aiming your frustrations at your colleagues in such misguided and poor manner is ridiculous. They are not the problem here, pilots with that attitude are.
Here's hoping there's a pay rise!
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Guys - stay on thread. Leave Al Cru for another day. This one hasn't drifted yet...don't let it.
It has been focused and one of the most insightful I have read.
From a different angle - one of the more significant by-lines of the results is from a business journo's perspective....in that EK had a massive collapse in profitability from 1st half to 2nd half of the year.
If the Co. was public, the stock would have been slaughtered due to a 50% plunge in money making over the course of a very short period of time.
Very, very few CEO's would make it through 'the Boards' performance review on that kind of wild swing without a "force majeure" event.
Lets face it - if you can get a final warning for being sick..or liquidate the the Training Dept leadership for doing a good job...
...what in the good Lords name is going to happen at the top level with this kind of profit reverse?
Any guesses? Surely they are trembling at their ominous future.
f.
It has been focused and one of the most insightful I have read.
From a different angle - one of the more significant by-lines of the results is from a business journo's perspective....in that EK had a massive collapse in profitability from 1st half to 2nd half of the year.
If the Co. was public, the stock would have been slaughtered due to a 50% plunge in money making over the course of a very short period of time.
Very, very few CEO's would make it through 'the Boards' performance review on that kind of wild swing without a "force majeure" event.
Lets face it - if you can get a final warning for being sick..or liquidate the the Training Dept leadership for doing a good job...
...what in the good Lords name is going to happen at the top level with this kind of profit reverse?
Any guesses? Surely they are trembling at their ominous future.
f.
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I am pissed off like everyone else here...
Having said that, am I gona to resign from my position? certainly not, I have a salary by the end of the month...
But let's try to be practical:
They take from our human ressources as much as they can...
so let's do what we are paid for: flying according to our contract, following the rules and only the rules: OM-A, and do not forget the GCAA text, as the OM-A is not that compliant with the GCAA text (eg the last recall made by the GCAA authoritiy to EK! Credit flying times, Burn out policy which is totally illegal).
Try to be aware of the foreign laws, indeed we have to comply with the most restrictives ones (EASA is more restrictive than GCAA). Find out in what, and do respect that.
Refuse ANY discretion, as EK plan lots of our FDP just close by the max FDP cause EK knows you will take your discretion...
Any reason is a good reason to take more fuel (cb's enroute, delay expected, etc...) you are all good enough to find out a good reason.
Let's show them how hard we have been used and not have been thanks or recognized with a bonus regarding to this huge profit.
We should all do that (ground, cabin, cockpit).
I began already since this announcement.
I am from now doing only what I am paid for... no more anymore!!!
Having said that, am I gona to resign from my position? certainly not, I have a salary by the end of the month...
But let's try to be practical:
They take from our human ressources as much as they can...
so let's do what we are paid for: flying according to our contract, following the rules and only the rules: OM-A, and do not forget the GCAA text, as the OM-A is not that compliant with the GCAA text (eg the last recall made by the GCAA authoritiy to EK! Credit flying times, Burn out policy which is totally illegal).
Try to be aware of the foreign laws, indeed we have to comply with the most restrictives ones (EASA is more restrictive than GCAA). Find out in what, and do respect that.
Refuse ANY discretion, as EK plan lots of our FDP just close by the max FDP cause EK knows you will take your discretion...
Any reason is a good reason to take more fuel (cb's enroute, delay expected, etc...) you are all good enough to find out a good reason.
Let's show them how hard we have been used and not have been thanks or recognized with a bonus regarding to this huge profit.
We should all do that (ground, cabin, cockpit).
I began already since this announcement.
I am from now doing only what I am paid for... no more anymore!!!
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recall made by the GCAA authoritiy to EK! ..... Burn out policy which is totally illegal).
Do the operating crew not still need their 3 hours minimum rest?
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Emirates Corporate Values
Step back a few years,
"the building blocks of this airline was based upon superior customer service"
This airline would NOT compromise one bit to ensure the best customer service was being maintained, with the goal of even exceeding these high standards. This meant looking after the staff also. Without these people (office, ramp, engineering, flight deck, cabin crew, the list goes on), the airline would just be like the rest of them.
Reflecting on both their updated message on their website and a quotation directly from HH Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saeed Al Maktoum regarding their recent financial results;
Our Vision & Values (WEBSITE)
The principles which propel us forward
2012-13 Financial Results
The final statement "Caring for our employees and stakeholders, as well as the environment and the communities we serve, have played a huge part in our past and will continue to shape our future." is profound and correct in many aspects. REMEMBER: It has shaped Emirates to where it is today, but recent decisions made, of course will shape the future of Emirates in the years ahead.
1.Does the leadership believe that the product Emirates provide continues to be superior, and is out of reach by many of your competitors. If so, surely you must do what it necessary to maintain this high standard.
OR
2.Do you want to alter this product, in order to maximise profits.
For the sake of maximising profits, you risk demotivating your employees to the extent that the well known Emirates Standard is lost.
As a frequent passenger of this airline, I would hate to see this Gold Standard lower, due to a decision made simply not to reward their staff.
It seems the fortunes of both Dubai and the Emirates are interlinked.
The current financial health of Dubai, has had a knock on effect to the health of the Emirates Group.
If it is the case, the Emirates Group have now been given the responsibility by the powers that be, to get all the crazy people before 2008 off the hook, by paying back insane dividends (all from the result of wreck less behaviour before the 2008 crash), Emirates can no longer say they are a single entity, responsible for their own success.
Interesting times ahead, no doubt!
"the building blocks of this airline was based upon superior customer service"
This airline would NOT compromise one bit to ensure the best customer service was being maintained, with the goal of even exceeding these high standards. This meant looking after the staff also. Without these people (office, ramp, engineering, flight deck, cabin crew, the list goes on), the airline would just be like the rest of them.
Reflecting on both their updated message on their website and a quotation directly from HH Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saeed Al Maktoum regarding their recent financial results;
Our Vision & Values (WEBSITE)
The principles which propel us forward
A strong and stable leadership team, ambitious yet calculated decision-making and ground-breaking ideas all contribute to the creation of great companies. Of course, these have played a major part in our development, but we believe our business ethics are the foundation on which our success has been built. Caring for our employees and stakeholders, as well as the environment and the communities we serve, have played a huge part in our past and will continue to shape our future.
2012-13 Financial Results
“Achieving our 25th consecutive year of profit in a financial year with our largest ever increase in capacity across the network is an achievement that speaks to the strength of our BRANDS and our LEADERSHIP,” said Shaikh Ahmad Bin Saeed Al Maktoum, President of Dubai Civil Aviation and Chairman and Chief Executive of Emirates airline and Group.
the obvious is now clear !
Whether it is due to external financial pressures from Dubai Government or whatever the reason might be; it seems to a neutral bystander, there has been a monumental shift away from these important founding principles, and they now believe (rightly or wrongly) that their route to continued success is through their Brand and Leadership. The final statement "Caring for our employees and stakeholders, as well as the environment and the communities we serve, have played a huge part in our past and will continue to shape our future." is profound and correct in many aspects. REMEMBER: It has shaped Emirates to where it is today, but recent decisions made, of course will shape the future of Emirates in the years ahead.
1.Does the leadership believe that the product Emirates provide continues to be superior, and is out of reach by many of your competitors. If so, surely you must do what it necessary to maintain this high standard.
OR
2.Do you want to alter this product, in order to maximise profits.
For the sake of maximising profits, you risk demotivating your employees to the extent that the well known Emirates Standard is lost.
As a frequent passenger of this airline, I would hate to see this Gold Standard lower, due to a decision made simply not to reward their staff.
It seems the fortunes of both Dubai and the Emirates are interlinked.
The current financial health of Dubai, has had a knock on effect to the health of the Emirates Group.
If it is the case, the Emirates Group have now been given the responsibility by the powers that be, to get all the crazy people before 2008 off the hook, by paying back insane dividends (all from the result of wreck less behaviour before the 2008 crash), Emirates can no longer say they are a single entity, responsible for their own success.
Interesting times ahead, no doubt!
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I have to laugh at all these comments being made about a bonus.
We, as a pilot group at EK, are a bunch of pansies. All we do is complain and hide behind anonymous postings on pprunes. Does it suck that we did not get a bonus that we were all entitled too? HECK YEAH. But in the end we as a pilot group will do nothing about it. People will say they won't go into discretion, single engine taxi, they will call sick more, and not do anything to help this company moving forward. It is all BS. Not one of you will do as you say on pprune. I bet there was no increase of sick calls the last few days. Why? because EK management has put the fear into every pilot here and they are afraid to get called into the office. BOO HOO.... I just flew with a guy that has not called sick in 4 years. How is that possible? it is not. He is flying sick cause he is afraid to get his name on that "list"......
Has there ever been a pilot that refused to go into discretion? I doubt it. With the runway closures about to occur, most India night turns will all be into discretion every night, but will anyone step up and refuse? NO. We were once giving an OFP that put us indiscretion and the captain just stood by and accepted it, and he said that when I became cpt i would understand. Thats crap that the company has made people scared to the point of accepting an illegal ofp. Cause in the end, if something happens on that trip, EK will hang you out to dry.
There is strength in numbers, but unfortunately there are only a select group of pilots that continually stand up for the rights of others. How many pilots call sick when they are actually sick fatigued? By not calling fatigued does nothing but help management in their data collecting. Management says we are not fatigued. Why? Because EK pilots are too scared to call in fatigued cause they do not want to get into trouble. So therefore, we are not fatigued.
People complain about about missing bdays and holidays with families, yet do not call in sick once in 3 years. Great, you are a excellent employee and the company with award you with NOTHING.... Now I am not saying to call sick whenever you feel like it, but stop complaining about things you can control. Its called roster management. But once again, pilots are too scared to do this..
The yearly bonus is a thing of the past. Get used to it. But stop hiding behind a forum and be a man (or woman) and follow thru with your threats or do not make them at all. Until we as a group come together, nothing will ever change..
We, as a pilot group at EK, are a bunch of pansies. All we do is complain and hide behind anonymous postings on pprunes. Does it suck that we did not get a bonus that we were all entitled too? HECK YEAH. But in the end we as a pilot group will do nothing about it. People will say they won't go into discretion, single engine taxi, they will call sick more, and not do anything to help this company moving forward. It is all BS. Not one of you will do as you say on pprune. I bet there was no increase of sick calls the last few days. Why? because EK management has put the fear into every pilot here and they are afraid to get called into the office. BOO HOO.... I just flew with a guy that has not called sick in 4 years. How is that possible? it is not. He is flying sick cause he is afraid to get his name on that "list"......
Has there ever been a pilot that refused to go into discretion? I doubt it. With the runway closures about to occur, most India night turns will all be into discretion every night, but will anyone step up and refuse? NO. We were once giving an OFP that put us indiscretion and the captain just stood by and accepted it, and he said that when I became cpt i would understand. Thats crap that the company has made people scared to the point of accepting an illegal ofp. Cause in the end, if something happens on that trip, EK will hang you out to dry.
There is strength in numbers, but unfortunately there are only a select group of pilots that continually stand up for the rights of others. How many pilots call sick when they are actually sick fatigued? By not calling fatigued does nothing but help management in their data collecting. Management says we are not fatigued. Why? Because EK pilots are too scared to call in fatigued cause they do not want to get into trouble. So therefore, we are not fatigued.
People complain about about missing bdays and holidays with families, yet do not call in sick once in 3 years. Great, you are a excellent employee and the company with award you with NOTHING.... Now I am not saying to call sick whenever you feel like it, but stop complaining about things you can control. Its called roster management. But once again, pilots are too scared to do this..
The yearly bonus is a thing of the past. Get used to it. But stop hiding behind a forum and be a man (or woman) and follow thru with your threats or do not make them at all. Until we as a group come together, nothing will ever change..
