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Believe the 380 guys are doing similar hours.
This is not an actual move of people, its a request for "expressions of interest" in case of future requirements. It will give them a list of volunteers if they need to do fleet transfers.
Someone is actually planning ahead
This is not an actual move of people, its a request for "expressions of interest" in case of future requirements. It will give them a list of volunteers if they need to do fleet transfers.
Someone is actually planning ahead
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I seem to recall a pearl of wisdom passed on to me when I was a young fella "never volunteer for anything shaggs"
I applaud the brave souls who are taking one step forward on this mission.
I applaud the brave souls who are taking one step forward on this mission.
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Tempting, very very tempting. If it takes LGW (now the pier is open) and starts to look like its going to takeover much of the USA network, then my name will be going on the list - for now though that little voice is telling me to stay put!! 
We probably do have a surplus on the 777 though, I've done bugger all for months now so as Helen says, a bit of forward thinking me thinks.
We probably do have a surplus on the 777 though, I've done bugger all for months now so as Helen says, a bit of forward thinking me thinks.
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For what it's worth, and it's only another rumour: I understand that the weight increase on the 380 will only be 7 tonnes, not the 20 previously discussed. Not sure how many US destinations that will access?
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The move is a great idea if you have a brilliant plan to stay in Dubai until age 65 but if you have any thoughts of moving elsewhere resist the urge for novelty and stick with the Boeing.
There are a few chaps on the other side who will tell you that they are now stuck in Dubai against their will. In an eery echo of it's inability to leave the gate, holding the 380 type endorsement will chain you to Dubai.
There are a few chaps on the other side who will tell you that they are now stuck in Dubai against their will. In an eery echo of it's inability to leave the gate, holding the 380 type endorsement will chain you to Dubai.
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7 tons and 35 minutes ..... you are dreaming!
13 tons/hour can lead to your assumption, but it's the one a cadet would do. How much do you burn in transporting 7 additional tons over 13-14h???
Right: About 55% of it, meaning almost 4 tons, leaving you with about 15-17 minutes. Great achievement!
The West-coast is doable, but it will be with such a load penalty that will leave the concerned station mangers moaning and bitching at the same level (allthough off the company record) as the ones of LHR and the Aussie managers, confronted with an all out 380 service.
I guess the pink palace barons listen as carefully to station managers as they listen to us ... and any downward curve of revenue will be our common fault, but never theirs.
The whale is great on certain routes, as is a 330 and a T7 on theirs respectively, but stretching it beyond physical laws, simply to please some spectacular number displays and a few tiny egos, will lead to more profit share disappointment among us.
(I will stick to the John Deere, preferring the West Coast and hate the 4-legged Aussie 24 hour-layover torture trips)
13 tons/hour can lead to your assumption, but it's the one a cadet would do. How much do you burn in transporting 7 additional tons over 13-14h???
Right: About 55% of it, meaning almost 4 tons, leaving you with about 15-17 minutes. Great achievement!
The West-coast is doable, but it will be with such a load penalty that will leave the concerned station mangers moaning and bitching at the same level (allthough off the company record) as the ones of LHR and the Aussie managers, confronted with an all out 380 service.
I guess the pink palace barons listen as carefully to station managers as they listen to us ... and any downward curve of revenue will be our common fault, but never theirs.
The whale is great on certain routes, as is a 330 and a T7 on theirs respectively, but stretching it beyond physical laws, simply to please some spectacular number displays and a few tiny egos, will lead to more profit share disappointment among us.
(I will stick to the John Deere, preferring the West Coast and hate the 4-legged Aussie 24 hour-layover torture trips)
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It was only open to those who where 330 Capt before and had 4 years min on the 777. Probably a one time offer .It went down to at least 11 years in EK.
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Glofish can you please explain why the 777 will not accept staff to/from Oz direct even though they have 20+ seats empty? How many empty/blocked seats on the way to LAX? Its a great aircraft but after 12hrs you guys start leaving people/freight behind.
Of course the 380 is ****e at ULR. This is why its being replaced by the 777 on flights to JFK, SYD, MEL, (and soon) BNE. Oh wait there, its the other way around.
This really is a no news story. Those that want to go will go, those that don't won't. Horses for courses. Both types fly for too long and work you too much.
Remembering that there are no unplanned or new deliveries this knee jerk shows once again how forward thinking and accurate our man managers are.
Drop how long have you been here now? Its a bit late to start looking elsewhere old fella.
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Of course the 380 is ****e at ULR. This is why its being replaced by the 777 on flights to JFK, SYD, MEL, (and soon) BNE. Oh wait there, its the other way around.
This really is a no news story. Those that want to go will go, those that don't won't. Horses for courses. Both types fly for too long and work you too much.
Remembering that there are no unplanned or new deliveries this knee jerk shows once again how forward thinking and accurate our man managers are.
Drop how long have you been here now? Its a bit late to start looking elsewhere old fella.
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It was only open to those who where 30 Capt before and had 4 years min on the 777. Probably a one time offer .It went down to at least 11 years in EK.
The FCI is for volunteers for future requirements and doesn't specify previous 330/340 time.
The guys doing courses now are specifically ex 'bus. Not sure about the 4 years requirement.
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Glofish can you please explain why the 777 will not accept staff to/from Oz direct even though they have 20+ seats empty? How many empty/blocked seats on the way to LAX? Its a great aircraft but after 12hrs you guys start leaving people/freight behind.
Out of DXB, summer, yep..particularly the BNE if the wx at Cooly is a bit pants, as the company always plans with SYD gas.
MEL happened once when Avalon wx was rubbish...now ADL is a company dest it wouldn't be an issue.
I agree though, the 380 is not a ULR machine in its present incarnation...awesome though as a people carrier up to 10-12 hrs (if it manages to leave the gate
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@Falconeasydriver. It just gets under my skin how the Boeing proponents always have to slate the 380. It's rarely the other way around. I have yet to operate a 380 flight that hasn't left the gate due to a technical. (Knock on wood...) It is a great aircraft. So is the 777. The 777 is a fantastic machine. Both types have their strengths and weaknesses. Can the mud slinging stop already? It's getting old.
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A tad sensitive perhaps? I'm just poking a bit of fun, if that's construed by your goodself as mudslinging I guess your skin might be a little opaque.
The interesting thing with this whole 380/777 narrative is that all the banter I've seen/heard or engaged in has been decidedly good natured, where on earth is the mud slinging?
I personally enjoy paxing on the 380, although I dislike the biz class as it feels like an economy cabin due to its sheer size, again, if that's mud slinging, I guess I'm guilty.
A tad sensitive perhaps? I'm just poking a bit of fun, if that's construed by your goodself as mudslinging I guess your skin might be a little opaque.
The interesting thing with this whole 380/777 narrative is that all the banter I've seen/heard or engaged in has been decidedly good natured, where on earth is the mud slinging?
I personally enjoy paxing on the 380, although I dislike the biz class as it feels like an economy cabin due to its sheer size, again, if that's mud slinging, I guess I'm guilty.
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A tad touchy??
Here's what i said:
So nothing against the whale.
Furthermore, ULR is defined as more than 14 hours, and you have to admit that the whale is not good at that. Just as the 77W above those 14 to 15 hours. Even we T7 drivers think that it is stretching it to deploy the 77W above that. There is the 77L .....
So stay cool and enjoy your big tool.
A tad touchy??
Here's what i said:
The whale is great on certain routes, as is a 330 and a T7 on theirs respectively
Furthermore, ULR is defined as more than 14 hours, and you have to admit that the whale is not good at that. Just as the 77W above those 14 to 15 hours. Even we T7 drivers think that it is stretching it to deploy the 77W above that. There is the 77L .....
So stay cool and enjoy your big tool.
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