half Way through April and no-one cares.
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half Way through April and no-one cares.
I would like to congratulate the EK management team on being able to have a work force that now care less than themselves. I would have thought this hard to do when the deliveries and upgrades keep happening at record rates.
Mid way through April and no-one cares about the "profit Cher" and there are no optimists re pay rise.
A job well done.
The Don
Mid way through April and no-one cares about the "profit Cher" and there are no optimists re pay rise.
A job well done.
The Don
Different time, Don.
In 2007 they had a big problem with attrition and an almost empty applicant pool- now half of the pilots in Europe and MOST of the pilots in the rest of the world are beating down their door, and ALMOST no-one is leaving.
Pendulums swinging and all that...
In 2007 they had a big problem with attrition and an almost empty applicant pool- now half of the pilots in Europe and MOST of the pilots in the rest of the world are beating down their door, and ALMOST no-one is leaving.
Pendulums swinging and all that...
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Wiz,
That should not matter. The recruitment presentation and pilot contract state that 25% of the profit above the target shall be paid out to the employees as profit share. It doesn't say the formula is inversely based on how many people are interested in working for EK.
That should not matter. The recruitment presentation and pilot contract state that 25% of the profit above the target shall be paid out to the employees as profit share. It doesn't say the formula is inversely based on how many people are interested in working for EK.
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That's funny I was just coming to ask why there was no thread on profit share! Half way through the month and no announcement on when there will be an announcement on the announcement . I find this pretty grim. I keep hearing of bad news emitting from the office type people, hiring freeze similar to the 09 troubles. Can this be true? Can we really not met the target after the first 6 months went so well and our planes are pretty damn packed!
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That's what happens when they beat you down, work you 95+ hours, give you minimum days off and tell you that we aren't making money (yet every plane I fly is full of pax)...
Guys are frustrated, exhausted and tired of getting their hopes up... only to be followed by disappointment.
Guys are frustrated, exhausted and tired of getting their hopes up... only to be followed by disappointment.
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I was following all the rumours of the Cher...hoping for some insider tip on what it might be but then something happened that made me not care anymore..... the flash new uniform!!! Why do you guys want cash when you are getting a stripy tie and a golden hat band...talk about hard to please..? Still not as rewarding as oven mitts but what to do??
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The so called profit share has always been a little subdued ever since you got the 380's, are they hurting the airline?
They're managing expectations guys - you may be pleasantly surprised yet......or may not!
They're managing expectations guys - you may be pleasantly surprised yet......or may not!
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If you'd have asked me a few months ago, I'd have said 5% and 10 weeks.... Now however, I think we'd be lucky to get the 3% increment and 2 weeks!!
A lot of negative rhetoric coming from the offices of power for some reason!
As many have said, the flights seem to be full to brimming as is evidenced by the fact that my in-laws should have gone home last week but are still here due to there being absolutely no free seats in ANY class to London...... Aaarrrrrghhhh
I realise that some will mention the 'yield' argument. BUT, surely if a flight is full and we don't make a profit on that flight then someone isn't doing their job properly!!!
In any case as I have said in years gone by, there are only 3 people in this airline that actually know what the finances are doing and frankly it isn't any of us and nor would any of those 3 men divulge that info to anyone you know, so I guess we'll just have to wait another couple of weeks....
A lot of negative rhetoric coming from the offices of power for some reason!
As many have said, the flights seem to be full to brimming as is evidenced by the fact that my in-laws should have gone home last week but are still here due to there being absolutely no free seats in ANY class to London...... Aaarrrrrghhhh
I realise that some will mention the 'yield' argument. BUT, surely if a flight is full and we don't make a profit on that flight then someone isn't doing their job properly!!!
In any case as I have said in years gone by, there are only 3 people in this airline that actually know what the finances are doing and frankly it isn't any of us and nor would any of those 3 men divulge that info to anyone you know, so I guess we'll just have to wait another couple of weeks....
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Well, if the yields are down, why? Just random searches on line reveals we're often more expensive than other airlines so where's the money going?
The day we announced we're contributing to the Bernie Eccelstone's personal fortune did I give up hope of profit share. He's a crook with 2 very spoilt and over rated daughters who themselves are now benefitting financially off the backs of all our hard work and effort. One sponsorship deal i'm not in agreement with.
Zero is my guess...... and I'd be bloody pissed off if proven true.
Harry
The day we announced we're contributing to the Bernie Eccelstone's personal fortune did I give up hope of profit share. He's a crook with 2 very spoilt and over rated daughters who themselves are now benefitting financially off the backs of all our hard work and effort. One sponsorship deal i'm not in agreement with.
Zero is my guess...... and I'd be bloody pissed off if proven true.
Harry
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Pretty hard to make a profit when you are saddled with something as egregiously inefficient and unreliable as an A380. Fortunately we got ours for next-to-free and are in receipt of lots of Airbus cash in the form of performance/delivery/wing repair penalty money.
I wonder how the airlines who actually paid for them are doing? You could be guided by the number of orders I suppose.
I wonder how the airlines who actually paid for them are doing? You could be guided by the number of orders I suppose.
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I think there was a bit of interest in the bonus just after Christmas, but unfortunately apathy plus negativity coming from EGHQ drove away most peoples dreams/hopes.
I know from my years here that we never get what we hope for working at EK, so expect nothing and you won't be disappointed!
(was going to go on a rant about office wallahs living in a bubble etc, then how can we ever get a positive vibe going at EK but then decided it was not worth the hassle - apathy attack I suppose!)
Fingers crossed
I know from my years here that we never get what we hope for working at EK, so expect nothing and you won't be disappointed!
(was going to go on a rant about office wallahs living in a bubble etc, then how can we ever get a positive vibe going at EK but then decided it was not worth the hassle - apathy attack I suppose!)
Fingers crossed
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Please correct me if I am incorrect, but didn't the "airline that can't be mentioned (atcbm) get some bonus/profit Cher, along with Fly Dubai, and Qatar? Even some U.S. airlines are distributing bonuses/P.S. We know how important "image" is around here. So how would that enhance the all important image. I guess I do know the answer, as stated.....NEW UNIFORMS. And the possiblity of a World Expo seven years from now.
Lower the expectations and the minions will be pleased with crumbs.
Lower the expectations and the minions will be pleased with crumbs.