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http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAA_CAP%20804.pdf
For Type Rating under CAP804
FCL.740 Validity and renewal of class and type ratings
(a) The period of validity of class and type ratings shall be 1 year,
The only ways to continue exercising the type rating beyond 1 year are
FCL.740 (b) Renewal or FCL.740.A Revalidation. No exceptions in the UK.
If you are not planning on flying with EASA carrier you won't need a type rating in your license. EASA license does not expire.
If you still hold an UK/JAA license here are instructions how to convert. Converting UK and JAA Licences and Ratings to Part FCL | Commercial Pilots | Personal Licences and Training
For the instrument rating under CAP804
FCL.625 IR(A) – Validity, revalidation and renewal
(a) Validity. An IR(A) shall be valid for 1 year.
(b) Revalidation
(c) Renewal.
(d) If the IR(A) has not been revalidated or renewed within the preceding 7 years, the holder will be required to pass again the IR theoretical knowledge examination and skill test.
*The UK CAA has issued an exemption against FCL.625(d) (see paragraph 5.3)
5.3 FCL.625(d): IR Renewal requirement for pilots who hold or have held an IR on
another licence or a UK Military Green Rating
The UK CAA has issued an exemption such that where a pilot holds or has held an
Instrument Rating issued by a third country and that rating is compliant with Annex I to
the Convention on International Civil Aviation, the applicability of FCL.625 IR(c) and (d)
may be based on the validity dates of the Instrument Rating of that other country. The
effect of this exemption is that to renew the IR on a UK issued licence:
(i) a pilot with a current and valid 3rd country IR shall complete the revalidation
requirements of FCL.625(b) and the aircraft category specific requirements for
revalidation of the Part-FCL IR; meaning that he must pass the proficiency check,
but is not required to undergo training or to re-take the theoretical knowledge
examinations; or
(ii) a pilot who held a 3rd country IR that is no longer valid but had been revalidated
or renewed within the preceding 7 years shall comply with the renewal
requirements of FCL.625 IR(c), but is not required to re-take the theoretical
knowledge examinations.
For Type Rating under CAP804
FCL.740 Validity and renewal of class and type ratings
(a) The period of validity of class and type ratings shall be 1 year,
The only ways to continue exercising the type rating beyond 1 year are
FCL.740 (b) Renewal or FCL.740.A Revalidation. No exceptions in the UK.
If you are not planning on flying with EASA carrier you won't need a type rating in your license. EASA license does not expire.
If you still hold an UK/JAA license here are instructions how to convert. Converting UK and JAA Licences and Ratings to Part FCL | Commercial Pilots | Personal Licences and Training
For the instrument rating under CAP804
FCL.625 IR(A) – Validity, revalidation and renewal
(a) Validity. An IR(A) shall be valid for 1 year.
(b) Revalidation
(c) Renewal.
(d) If the IR(A) has not been revalidated or renewed within the preceding 7 years, the holder will be required to pass again the IR theoretical knowledge examination and skill test.
*The UK CAA has issued an exemption against FCL.625(d) (see paragraph 5.3)
5.3 FCL.625(d): IR Renewal requirement for pilots who hold or have held an IR on
another licence or a UK Military Green Rating
The UK CAA has issued an exemption such that where a pilot holds or has held an
Instrument Rating issued by a third country and that rating is compliant with Annex I to
the Convention on International Civil Aviation, the applicability of FCL.625 IR(c) and (d)
may be based on the validity dates of the Instrument Rating of that other country. The
effect of this exemption is that to renew the IR on a UK issued licence:
(i) a pilot with a current and valid 3rd country IR shall complete the revalidation
requirements of FCL.625(b) and the aircraft category specific requirements for
revalidation of the Part-FCL IR; meaning that he must pass the proficiency check,
but is not required to undergo training or to re-take the theoretical knowledge
examinations; or
(ii) a pilot who held a 3rd country IR that is no longer valid but had been revalidated
or renewed within the preceding 7 years shall comply with the renewal
requirements of FCL.625 IR(c), but is not required to re-take the theoretical
knowledge examinations.
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ORS 4 No. 974. (CAA website)
The one that I and a few others campaigned for. Basically as long as you've previously been issued an EASA IR (Incl the UK) and presently hold an ICAO one you're exempt.
In fact even if you let your ICAO IR lapse by more than 7 years the only thing you have to do to regain your EASA IR is an assessment and required retraining with an ATO prior to retest.
C.
The one that I and a few others campaigned for. Basically as long as you've previously been issued an EASA IR (Incl the UK) and presently hold an ICAO one you're exempt.
In fact even if you let your ICAO IR lapse by more than 7 years the only thing you have to do to regain your EASA IR is an assessment and required retraining with an ATO prior to retest.
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7 Year rule
Held a UK JAA Licence since 2006, renewed it in 2011, and converted it to
EASA CPL 2015, my last IR on licence was 2007, been flying in the Middle East/Africa and have held various licences and always current IR from them.
Could not add type and IR to my UK Licence as no aircraft type on UK register.
Returned to UK and now type on UK register ( I now have the the type and IR on my UK EASA CPL and now wont issue me with a UK EASA ATPL because of the 7 year rule, CAA said my IR had lapsed more than 7 years. I also completed an A320 type rating in 2012 at Airbus, (I have a course completion certificate, LPC check form signed and stamped by Airbus Toulouse TRTO, certain Middle East Airline would not allow Airbus to sign my UK CAA paperwork?)
I also hold an FAA ATP, CAA has my logbooks, surely they could see Ive been flying in other countries.
Is there any reference to the EASA regulations or surely should be some dispensation to the below ruling in EASA land?
5.3 FCL.625(d): IR Renewal requirement for pilots who hold or have held an IR on
another licence or a UK Military Green Rating
The UK CAA has issued an exemption such that where a pilot holds or has held an
Instrument Rating issued by a third country and that rating is compliant with Annex I to
the Convention on International Civil Aviation, the applicability of FCL.625 IR(c) and (d)
may be based on the validity dates of the Instrument Rating of that other country. The
effect of this exemption is that to renew the IR on a UK issued licence:
(i) a pilot with a current and valid 3rd country IR shall complete the revalidation
requirements of FCL.625(b) and the aircraft category specific requirements for
revalidation of the Part-FCL IR; meaning that he must pass the proficiency check,
but is not required to undergo training or to re-take the theoretical knowledge
examinations; or
(ii) a pilot who held a 3rd country IR that is no longer valid but had been revalidated
or renewed within the preceding 7 years shall comply with the renewal
requirements of FCL.625 IR(c), but is not required to re-take the theoretical
knowledge examinations.
EASA CPL 2015, my last IR on licence was 2007, been flying in the Middle East/Africa and have held various licences and always current IR from them.
Could not add type and IR to my UK Licence as no aircraft type on UK register.
Returned to UK and now type on UK register ( I now have the the type and IR on my UK EASA CPL and now wont issue me with a UK EASA ATPL because of the 7 year rule, CAA said my IR had lapsed more than 7 years. I also completed an A320 type rating in 2012 at Airbus, (I have a course completion certificate, LPC check form signed and stamped by Airbus Toulouse TRTO, certain Middle East Airline would not allow Airbus to sign my UK CAA paperwork?)
I also hold an FAA ATP, CAA has my logbooks, surely they could see Ive been flying in other countries.
Is there any reference to the EASA regulations or surely should be some dispensation to the below ruling in EASA land?
5.3 FCL.625(d): IR Renewal requirement for pilots who hold or have held an IR on
another licence or a UK Military Green Rating
The UK CAA has issued an exemption such that where a pilot holds or has held an
Instrument Rating issued by a third country and that rating is compliant with Annex I to
the Convention on International Civil Aviation, the applicability of FCL.625 IR(c) and (d)
may be based on the validity dates of the Instrument Rating of that other country. The
effect of this exemption is that to renew the IR on a UK issued licence:
(i) a pilot with a current and valid 3rd country IR shall complete the revalidation
requirements of FCL.625(b) and the aircraft category specific requirements for
revalidation of the Part-FCL IR; meaning that he must pass the proficiency check,
but is not required to undergo training or to re-take the theoretical knowledge
examinations; or
(ii) a pilot who held a 3rd country IR that is no longer valid but had been revalidated
or renewed within the preceding 7 years shall comply with the renewal
requirements of FCL.625 IR(c), but is not required to re-take the theoretical
knowledge examinations.
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Unfortunately I'm afraid there isn't ...
I therefore strongly advocate to keep an EASA rating valid on your EASA license at all times; as a minimum do it every 3 years (actually just before 3 years).
More than 3 years of an expired rating requires you to do the full type rating again, while before you normally get away with one training sim and then the proficiency check. Looking over a three year period it becomes the cheapest option if you are not using the EASA license during that time.
The above should not cost you more than about 1000GBP/1200EUR per year; cheap insurance for most.
I therefore strongly advocate to keep an EASA rating valid on your EASA license at all times; as a minimum do it every 3 years (actually just before 3 years).
More than 3 years of an expired rating requires you to do the full type rating again, while before you normally get away with one training sim and then the proficiency check. Looking over a three year period it becomes the cheapest option if you are not using the EASA license during that time.
The above should not cost you more than about 1000GBP/1200EUR per year; cheap insurance for most.
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Regarding ICAO English Language proficiency assessment, at least for ATCOs - EASA has a difference against ICAO regarding level 6, stating it does require re-assessment.
Under EASA, level 6 is retested every 9 years https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/fi...15-010-R_0.pdf )
Text as follows:
AMC1 ATCO.B.035(a)(3)(i) Validity of language proficiency endorsement
VALIDITY OF THE LANGUAGE ENDORSEMENT OF PROFICIENCY LEVEL 6 IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE
When replacing the licences according to Article 8(1) of Regulation (EU) 2015/340, the validity period for
the expert level (level six) language proficiency endorsements shall be introduced into the new licence.
The nine-year validity period for an expert level (level six) language proficiency endorsement in English
acquired before 30 June 2015 shall be counted from the date of the issue of the new licence or from the
date of the assessment, whichever occurs first.
And for EU Reg 2015/340:
ATCO.B.035 Validity of language proficiency endorsement
(a) The validity of the language proficiency endorsement, depending on the level determined in accordance with
Appendix 1 of Annex I, shall be:
(1) for operational level (level four), three years from the date of assessment; or
(2) for extended level (level five), six years from the date of assessment;
6.3.2015 EN Official Journal of the European Union L 63/23
(3) for expert level (level six):
(i) nine years from the date of assessment, for the English language;
(ii) unlimited, for any other language(s) referred to in ATCO.B.030(a).
Did pilot regs also change?
Under EASA, level 6 is retested every 9 years https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/fi...15-010-R_0.pdf )
Text as follows:
AMC1 ATCO.B.035(a)(3)(i) Validity of language proficiency endorsement
VALIDITY OF THE LANGUAGE ENDORSEMENT OF PROFICIENCY LEVEL 6 IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE
When replacing the licences according to Article 8(1) of Regulation (EU) 2015/340, the validity period for
the expert level (level six) language proficiency endorsements shall be introduced into the new licence.
The nine-year validity period for an expert level (level six) language proficiency endorsement in English
acquired before 30 June 2015 shall be counted from the date of the issue of the new licence or from the
date of the assessment, whichever occurs first.
And for EU Reg 2015/340:
ATCO.B.035 Validity of language proficiency endorsement
(a) The validity of the language proficiency endorsement, depending on the level determined in accordance with
Appendix 1 of Annex I, shall be:
(1) for operational level (level four), three years from the date of assessment; or
(2) for extended level (level five), six years from the date of assessment;
6.3.2015 EN Official Journal of the European Union L 63/23
(3) for expert level (level six):
(i) nine years from the date of assessment, for the English language;
(ii) unlimited, for any other language(s) referred to in ATCO.B.030(a).
Did pilot regs also change?
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Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) confirms that they can keep a type rating alive indefinitely.
The conditions:
1) Send every year the LPC from the (ICAO) state you are currently operating in
2) They will restrict your licence to that specific country only (so you cannot operate in europe until you pass an LPC, without any training just a check)
Look here for the EASA reference (which should apply for all the EASA states..)
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/fi...versions_1.zip
This are the extracts of 3 emails, directly from the IAA licensing office:
The conditions:
1) Send every year the LPC from the (ICAO) state you are currently operating in
2) They will restrict your licence to that specific country only (so you cannot operate in europe until you pass an LPC, without any training just a check)
Look here for the EASA reference (which should apply for all the EASA states..)
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/fi...versions_1.zip
Article 8
Conditions for the acceptance of licences from third countries
Aeroplane or helicopter type ratings may be issued to holders of Part-FCL licences that comply with the requirements for the issue of those ratings established by a third country. Such ratings will be restricted to aircraft registered in that third country. This restriction may be removed when the pilot complies with the requirements in point C.1 of Annex III.
C. ACCEPTANCE OF CLASS AND TYPE RATINGS
1. A valid class or type rating contained in a licence issued by a third country may be inserted in a Part-FCL licence provided that the applicant:
(a) complies with the experience requirements and the prerequisites for the issue of the applicable type or class rating in accordance with Part-FCL;
(b) passes the relevant skill test for the issue of the applicable type or class rating in accordance with Part-FCL;
(c) is in current flying practice;
(d) has no less than:
(i) for aeroplane class ratings, 100 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that class;
(ii) for aeroplane type ratings, 500 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that type;
(iii) for single-engine helicopters with a maximum certificated take-off mass of up to 3 175 kg, 100 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that type;
(iv) for all other helicopters, 350 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that class.
Conditions for the acceptance of licences from third countries
Aeroplane or helicopter type ratings may be issued to holders of Part-FCL licences that comply with the requirements for the issue of those ratings established by a third country. Such ratings will be restricted to aircraft registered in that third country. This restriction may be removed when the pilot complies with the requirements in point C.1 of Annex III.
C. ACCEPTANCE OF CLASS AND TYPE RATINGS
1. A valid class or type rating contained in a licence issued by a third country may be inserted in a Part-FCL licence provided that the applicant:
(a) complies with the experience requirements and the prerequisites for the issue of the applicable type or class rating in accordance with Part-FCL;
(b) passes the relevant skill test for the issue of the applicable type or class rating in accordance with Part-FCL;
(c) is in current flying practice;
(d) has no less than:
(i) for aeroplane class ratings, 100 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that class;
(ii) for aeroplane type ratings, 500 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that type;
(iii) for single-engine helicopters with a maximum certificated take-off mass of up to 3 175 kg, 100 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that type;
(iv) for all other helicopters, 350 hours of flight experience as a pilot in that class.
No problem doing an LPC on Chinese aircraft but I will be restricting your type rating to Chinese Registered Aircraft
Only but at least it will keep your rating current until you return to Europe.
Yes no problem renewing your type rating based on an ICAO LPC so please yes forward me a copy of your Chinese
licence and LPC so I can renew the type rating. A lot of pilots are in the same position as yourself and they are very
happy with EASA rules to keep the type rating current. But if you require to use your EASA licence again on the
B737, you will have to complete an LPC in an approved EASA simulator with an EASA examiner to take the restriction
off.
see Annex 3, Section C of EU regulation 1178-2011 (as amended)
Only but at least it will keep your rating current until you return to Europe.
Yes no problem renewing your type rating based on an ICAO LPC so please yes forward me a copy of your Chinese
licence and LPC so I can renew the type rating. A lot of pilots are in the same position as yourself and they are very
happy with EASA rules to keep the type rating current. But if you require to use your EASA licence again on the
B737, you will have to complete an LPC in an approved EASA simulator with an EASA examiner to take the restriction
off.
see Annex 3, Section C of EU regulation 1178-2011 (as amended)
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I left the UK back in 2003 with a UK ATPL and flying the B737.
Been flying the B737 and then B777 in Australia since then.
I recently contacted UK CAA to see what I had to do to transfer to an EASA ATPL - they replied:
- initial medical at Gatwick
- skills test/IR in B777 sim with TRE
- TRE will check level 6 english during sim check
- pay the fee
Been flying the B737 and then B777 in Australia since then.
I recently contacted UK CAA to see what I had to do to transfer to an EASA ATPL - they replied:
- initial medical at Gatwick
- skills test/IR in B777 sim with TRE
- TRE will check level 6 english during sim check
- pay the fee
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EK380,
Just to point out if you are flying the aircraft type on your ICAO license and you have that same rating on the EASA you are exempt from any additional training to renew even if it is over 3 years. One EASA ATO tried that trick with me last year until I provided the EASA derogation and letter from the UK CAA confirming this. Soon as they received it they agreed its just a simple LPC when you want to use the EASA rating again. How could it be any different when you consider to transfer the type to the EASA license in the first place requires only one LPC and a visit to the CAA with the appropriate fee.
Just to point out if you are flying the aircraft type on your ICAO license and you have that same rating on the EASA you are exempt from any additional training to renew even if it is over 3 years. One EASA ATO tried that trick with me last year until I provided the EASA derogation and letter from the UK CAA confirming this. Soon as they received it they agreed its just a simple LPC when you want to use the EASA rating again. How could it be any different when you consider to transfer the type to the EASA license in the first place requires only one LPC and a visit to the CAA with the appropriate fee.
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Anyone had any luck lately with the UK CAA? Im in the process at the moment
Cap 804 had an exemption to the 7 year rule.
7 Year rule
Held a UK JAA Licence since 2006, renewed it in 2011, and converted it to
EASA CPL 2015, my last IR on licence was 2007, been flying in the Middle East/Africa and have held various licences and always current IR from them.
Could not add type and IR to my UK Licence as no aircraft type on UK register.
Returned to UK and now type on UK register ( I now have the the type and IR on my UK EASA CPL and now wont issue me with a UK EASA ATPL because of the 7 year rule, CAA said my IR had lapsed more than 7 years. I also completed an A320 type rating in 2012 at Airbus, (I have a course completion certificate, LPC check form signed and stamped by Airbus Toulouse TRTO, certain Middle East Airline would not allow Airbus to sign my UK CAA paperwork?)
I also hold an FAA ATP, CAA has my logbooks, surely they could see Ive been flying in other countries.
Is there any reference to the EASA regulations or surely should be some dispensation to the below ruling in EASA land?
5.3 FCL.625(d): IR Renewal requirement for pilots who hold or have held an IR on
another licence or a UK Military Green Rating
The UK CAA has issued an exemption such that where a pilot holds or has held an
Instrument Rating issued by a third country and that rating is compliant with Annex I to
the Convention on International Civil Aviation, the applicability of FCL.625 IR(c) and (d)
may be based on the validity dates of the Instrument Rating of that other country. The
effect of this exemption is that to renew the IR on a UK issued licence:
(i) a pilot with a current and valid 3rd country IR shall complete the revalidation
requirements of FCL.625(b) and the aircraft category specific requirements for
revalidation of the Part-FCL IR; meaning that he must pass the proficiency check,
but is not required to undergo training or to re-take the theoretical knowledge
examinations; or
(ii) a pilot who held a 3rd country IR that is no longer valid but had been revalidated
or renewed within the preceding 7 years shall comply with the renewal
requirements of FCL.625 IR(c), but is not required to re-take the theoretical
knowledge examinations.
Cap 804 had an exemption to the 7 year rule.
7 Year rule
Held a UK JAA Licence since 2006, renewed it in 2011, and converted it to
EASA CPL 2015, my last IR on licence was 2007, been flying in the Middle East/Africa and have held various licences and always current IR from them.
Could not add type and IR to my UK Licence as no aircraft type on UK register.
Returned to UK and now type on UK register ( I now have the the type and IR on my UK EASA CPL and now wont issue me with a UK EASA ATPL because of the 7 year rule, CAA said my IR had lapsed more than 7 years. I also completed an A320 type rating in 2012 at Airbus, (I have a course completion certificate, LPC check form signed and stamped by Airbus Toulouse TRTO, certain Middle East Airline would not allow Airbus to sign my UK CAA paperwork?)
I also hold an FAA ATP, CAA has my logbooks, surely they could see Ive been flying in other countries.
Is there any reference to the EASA regulations or surely should be some dispensation to the below ruling in EASA land?
5.3 FCL.625(d): IR Renewal requirement for pilots who hold or have held an IR on
another licence or a UK Military Green Rating
The UK CAA has issued an exemption such that where a pilot holds or has held an
Instrument Rating issued by a third country and that rating is compliant with Annex I to
the Convention on International Civil Aviation, the applicability of FCL.625 IR(c) and (d)
may be based on the validity dates of the Instrument Rating of that other country. The
effect of this exemption is that to renew the IR on a UK issued licence:
(i) a pilot with a current and valid 3rd country IR shall complete the revalidation
requirements of FCL.625(b) and the aircraft category specific requirements for
revalidation of the Part-FCL IR; meaning that he must pass the proficiency check,
but is not required to undergo training or to re-take the theoretical knowledge
examinations; or
(ii) a pilot who held a 3rd country IR that is no longer valid but had been revalidated
or renewed within the preceding 7 years shall comply with the renewal
requirements of FCL.625 IR(c), but is not required to re-take the theoretical
knowledge examinations.
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Hi , I need help. I have an Uk EASA ATPL with B737 IR and LV But I am Actually flying with an ICAO ATPL B737 with no plan to use the EASA license. I understand As I am Current on the ICAO License nor my IR and my 14 theoretical exams are at risk. In order to obtain my EASA License alive again I would only need an Skill test with an EASA TRE. Is that correct?
