Kapitanleutnant

This is a BAD BAD idea!! I've never NOT used them for a briefing or reference to brief LVO T/O, cold weather ops or windshear. Maybe some other airlines don't have this but the EK operation pretty much dictates their use for our PPC's.

C'mon EK… this is the cost of doing business!

No pubs in the sim Briefing Room…. Seriously???

What else are they gonna do…. take tomatoes out of our salads to save a quarter of a dirham?

Really disappointing to hear this….

K

Mr Good Cat

Agree with what you said, but it's easy enough to use your iPad.

Just make sure it's up to date!

EDIT: This assumes you have an Ipad. If not, your FO most certainly will. Send him a menacing email a few days before insisting he makes sure it's up to date. And for good measure tell him the TRE's nickname is 'Chopper', despite the fact the TRE's never been near a helicopter in his life...

hulabaloome2

Can anybody clarify for me does this mean no paper charts will be available to us once in the sim, EFB only? Or no paper charts for reference in briefing room but once in sim paper charts in binders are still available alongside EFB?
Thanks

Wizofoz

No, it will be 100% EFB in the sim.

The class two isn't terrible for charts (though an iPad would be MUCH better) but as an interface for the other docs, it's terrible.

falconeasydriver

So Wiz, how pray tell are we now going to go through SP's for LVO's, or the CCI/AOI info etc etc? (you know, managing our time effectively) is the expectation that this will all be done in the sim whilst we suffer the slings and arrows of an hours worth of whiteboard airmanship?

Wizofoz

Good Q Falcon, wasn't my idea!

donpizmeov

You fellas need to head on over to the megabus. Its all electronic. All the docs are available on the portal. If you need something just open it from there. Its really not all that hard.

The don

TangoUniform

Don,
It would be nice if the T7 had the preferred EFB that other carriers use. Let's see, who owns Jepp. But they built the BUDDA (Big Ugly Double Decker Airbus) with an EFB in mind and not with a remote laptop stuck in a closet. Just another slice of the pie going away. And Ipads, I must have lost the one the company issued to me.

The way the T7 rosters are going, we would all like a chance to fly the BUDDA, LAX now, good JFKs, morning EUs etc. Really am enjoying the O'dark thirty turns to the east. But that's for another thread.

donpizmeov

TU,


Sorry, but I thought they were talking about the paper being removed from the briefing rooms. This is really not an issue.


The on-board EFB issues you guys have is a problem. Its a shame it went the same way as the crew rest.


I hope the flare path I laid for your night turns still burn bright. Its such a glamorous job isn't it?


the Don

Kapitanleutnant

Falcon

I was wondering the same and can envision a briefing room that we just sit idly by wasting "briefing" time not being able to brief the SP's.

If that's what they want then we're going to have to increase the sim time to a period of about 5 hours instead of the current 4 so that we can brief everything under the sun including the always possible "in case a meteor hits the airplane here's what we'll do….." scenario.

And again, I have to say… having pubs in the briefing room is simply the cost of doing business when you run a training department!! You have sim's… you have pubs!!! Or give us a Tablet of some sort that is not as "clunky" as that EFB 2. Been waiting' 2 years, EK. Afraid to spend a few dirhams on that one?

K

lospilotos

So I assume the "Home" button will always work in the sim then, unlike in the A/C...

JAARule

They want you to print your own documents, same as the flight plan, load sheet, report forms, etc. Talk about tight-fisted. I always have a good laugh when the TRE (s39XXXX) asks if I printed it all out.


Still, times are tough these days so maybe give the company a break and help out wherever you can.

CAYNINE

"To facilitate pre-simulator briefings and debriefings, LIDO charts may still be viewed
on the portal in the briefing room; alternatively they can be printed for use in the
briefing rooms if required."

Doesn't this mean they can be printed at the training center, or have I read this incorrectly??

FYI, the guys on the big girl haven't used paper charts for years.

three eighty

Nor on the little girl.

Wizofoz

Yes, but both have usable Class 2 EFBs- not like the "McLaptop" we've been lumbered with.

You know the oxymoron- Mircosoft Works!!!

Payscale

Why are some of you so concerned?
DOCS are all available in electronic form, which most people prefere anyway.
The TRE will ask if you have printed it out. When print an additional 70 pages if you already have done it..... Some guys would complain if they were given 1 Million dolars!

White Knight

And that just about sums up the PPRUNE ME Forum...........

I've only ever glanced at the paper stuff in the sim briefing rooms, and rarely, over the years, so IMHO not a loss I find everything relevant to the session is usually put on the magic screen on the wall...

Mister Warning

I remember a big fuss a few years ago at EK because someone (smarter than I) was swapping his FCOM's for the sim set to avoid doing his amendments.
Bravo - just wish I'd thought of it!

Praise Jebus

Can't see what the fuss is about.... At home you use a PC to look at manuals, so in the briefing room you will do the same. In the sim use the EFBs or if you like, the paper OM-A/C and QRH just like the real jet. Or does the Boeing save on weight and not have the paper backups in the flight deck?

halas

Being last in the line to do any sim phase, one is lucky to combine a small semblance of plates out of all the binders combined. Most were missing or just a half or even a quarter of their former selves.

So this makes no difference to us at the end of the line.

halas