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Qatar F/O recruitment in October 2012

Old 14th Sep 2012, 04:56
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Smile Qatar F/O recruitment in October 2012

Hi,

I was hoping that people could give me some real-time inputs about the scenario in Qatar.

Have read a lot about the organisation being in a mess and that crew scheduling isn't very pleasant. Management may be hostile as well.

Have also heard that the housing allowance isn't really adequate to live well. (in comparison with Emirates)

Does anyone know how much money one can save at the end of the month considering that my lifestyle is simple and I have a wife and child with me.

I have about 2000 F/O hours on the 777, what are my career progression prospects in Qatar.

If I were to move to Doha it would be with my wife and baby boy. Is there a free and cosmopolitan society where they would be comfortable.

All the above comments are questions. NOT accusations! I'm simply looking for a clear honest picture.

Thanks all

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Old 17th Sep 2012, 12:38
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Ladies & Gentleman I find it hard to believe that there is no one who can reply to this post.

It must be like hearing that typical request on the radio: 'is anyone I contact with xyz station this is ab airways requesting a relay'
And you think to yourself, 'aw forget it, someone else will help them...'

Hello! Someone needs to make a major life decision here and is asking for help!!!

Please post if you have any info on Qatar airways.

Thank again.
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 12:53
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Maybe people are thinking - there's LOADS of info on these forums and elsewhere for this guy and if he is serious about considering Qatar he would have used the search function and trawled through it all.

I'm certain that your questions have already been answered here.
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 12:55
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I would suggest that you have not had any replies because the information you seek is already on here. Pull up a chair, line up a couple of beers and do an hour or two of reading this forum. There is much more info here than you'd get in one or two replies on your thread.
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 19:49
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Originally Posted by airline man
Ladies & Gentleman I find it hard to believe that there is no one who can reply to this post.

It must be like hearing that typical request on the radio: 'is anyone I contact with xyz station this is ab airways requesting a relay'
And you think to yourself, 'aw forget it, someone else will help them...'

Hello! Someone needs to make a major life decision here and is asking for help!!!

Please post if you have any info on Qatar airways.

Thank again.
I wouldn't employ you!

Simply put - by others - you have FAILED to do any research within the hallowed pages of PPRuNe ME FORUM. It's really not that difficult, because everyone in the ME knows that Goat is the last choice
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 19:57
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Your career prospects are to upgrade an A320 after three years and then enjoy the worst schedules the industry can offer.
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 22:21
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Go to Emirates or that other growing UAE carrier that shall remain nameless. With 2K 777 hours you should be pretty competitive.

QR does not seem to have it's act together from an HR standpoint. Good luck.
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Old 18th Sep 2012, 07:49
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Ladies & Gentleman I find it hard to believe that there is no one who can reply to this post.

It must be like hearing that typical request on the radio: 'is anyone I contact with xyz station this is ab airways requesting a relay'
And you think to yourself, 'aw forget it, someone else will help them...'

Hello! Someone needs to make a major life decision here and is asking for help!!!

Please post if you have any info on Qatar airways.

Thank again.
How rude!

I certainly wouldn't employ you with an attitude like that, do you think you're the only one making a 'life decision' to move out to the middle east!

I doubt i'd like flying with you either, so go somewhere else!
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Old 19th Sep 2012, 02:38
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too much pride in here for people who have almost made it in the career. what do you lose by sharing what you know???

this forum should be about aviators helping fellow aviators. not bashing people and proving that you are the greatest pilot on earth .

if you dont feel like replying, just dont but no need to have all of that aggression and hostility towards someone who is asking question.

the words that have been used to show superiority could have been constructive suggestions or some narrative of first hand experience.

wtf is wrong with people these days? why so much snobbish????
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Old 19th Sep 2012, 17:16
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Airline Man,

You would most likely (there are no guarantees in QR) go to the 777 fleet. Your command upgrade would be on the 777 or 787 in 3-5yrs as long as you met all the flight time requirements (6,500 total and 2,000 on type). Of course this is all performance dependent.

Good luck.
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Old 20th Sep 2012, 04:52
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Safelife, Iver, Gcpilot8 and Broompusher,

Many thanks for your positive inputs.

Wish you guys all the best and safe flying
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Old 21st Sep 2012, 21:07
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Anything You need to you About QR

Hi all.......Im a FO with QTR for a year now! I can help anyone with any question...

Im ready to do so, BC there is a lot of issues are unfairly coverd in this form.
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 15:11
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First I must say that alot of good people with balanced views have replied many a time on these forums and I now as one of them realise why I dont reply as much as I used too..... its because the same Q's keep arising.
Yes you can find the info here..... and time doesnt change things greatly here so no worries about the slightly dated info..

Your Q's answered:

Have read a lot about the organisation being in a mess and that crew scheduling isn't very pleasant. Management may be hostile as well.
Yes, expect to have frequent roster changes, but i am not on the 777 fleet. But all I can say is they just lost 40 777 staff of late so you will be doing max hours (like all fleets mostly...some more comfortably than others ). It will take you for your training a bit quicker than non-type pilots, but still expect a couple months at least...and thats after you get here with all the paper work/visas/RP etc etc done.

Have also heard that the housing allowance isn't really adequate to live well. (in comparison with Emirates)
Correct. Housing prices in Qatar ARE A JOKE. its a manipulated market and unfortunately not a free true housing market so boo hoo to us.
Expect to pay around 12k for an average two bedroom at the Pearl, 15-18 for a 3 bedroom.
The company may have housing at some places, possible Ain Khalid gate, but its luck basis and availability.
Belkieve me the housing does not even compare to Emirates or The other nameless airline closeby.
If I have a choice between Qatar Airways and the other above mentioned.... I would definately NOT choose Qatar Airways.... it just cant treat the crews correctly with proper perks that match other airlines.


Does anyone know how much money one can save at the end of the month considering that my lifestyle is simple and I have a wife and child with me.
If you are not blowing your cash on big loans and a bigger than normaly big villa then you could save $$$. As to the numbers, thats really up to you. 40% of your wage would be expected??


I have about 2000 F/O hours on the 777, what are my career progression prospects in Qatar.
Chances are you will be on the 777 fleet! They are not that stupid that they would put you on a 320! They might try but that would be the mistake of the incompetant staff they hire because they are cheap rather than investing in less staff with more competance! Simply either dont accept the contract or clarify it and point out the obvious to them.
You will be upgraded on the 777 most likely provided you meet the standards;pass the interviews etc


If I were to move to Doha it would be with my wife and baby boy. Is there a free and cosmopolitan society where they would be comfortable.
My god, do you realise that its not the West. But it is relaxed mostly for a M.E country. Its no Dubai though, but I like the smallness more than dubai but the standards here are very poor. Surface level, looks great, practically, bad. E.g. Maintenance: unless you either know the guy is qualified completely, then you most likely have to school them on what needs to be done. If they do it then there is a good chance its a rushed half arsed job.... indian style.... they same people that cook your food; build your houses; wire your house for electricity etc....

all I can say is one thing, the Villagio Mall fire. No body charged, none of the victims parents consulted after the event about charges or anything.... its that type of place. Relaxed, but so relaxed that they dont enforce alot of standards in the environment they live in, unless it suits them.....

out of sight, out of mind.

In terms of the company:
Nice enough, but very Trigger happy when it comes to "releasing pilots".... aka sacking them. Usually, there is a side to the story you never get told that makes QR look very aggressive...... but then again, with all the insane amount of SOP's and rules, its hard to remember them all. In terms of the flying side, if you break a rule intentionally that really puts safety at risk then you deserved to get sacked; but interms of minor and possibly moderate unintentinoal mistakes, usually there is retraining, but unless someone can comment, I have not heard of many going to retraining, some but not alot; simply that means that they are willing to not lose face and sack pilots even in the recruiting dilema they are in! Beware, but not alarmed. If you fly conservatively and take that extra minute or two then you will be fine me thinks.

Company stuff:
You dont really get much updated learning material; nor do you get much direction as to what to do/where to go. You get shown around quickly, and baby sat for the first week, but after that its generally start pulling your hair out dealing with no information, multiple phone calls only to find out different views every time or "i dont know".
CBT do not work on Mac's unless u have certain softwares.
The other handouts they give you are USELESS. They are outdated! And the IMHO ilegal. They should not even be handing it out.
some Phone numbers they give you dont have the proper numbers updated. There generally is no maps of the places you need to go.
No mailbox provided in the company anymore. And a shortage of PO.Boxes in Doha!
The I.T system is a bit of a joke. Over the top security; but I have a problem with multiple websites; all with a different password! Absolute pain in the butt. The Emirates system is WAY better!
They initially give you a default IBQ banking account; ironically it has ties with QR! You dont need this account, and are free to change, but when you first come to the country its almost a nightmare to not accept it. it ok as a bank though.
Medicals are easy if you can pass one at home you be ok.
Its a very proactive system. not many things come to you, you have to find it, depending on what your looking for it can be a royal pain. The entire system has to be streamlined and more efficient. I guess that they think the NDIA will fix all of this

All in all:
I like the smallness of Doha but it really does not compare to Dubai/AbuDhabi.
Its kinda a boring place; usually all your mates are busting there butt working when you have time off so its difficult to catch up with friends.
The company is ok, but has A LOT of room for improvement to make if they want to keep pilots (especially the 320 fleet). All this training backlogs should hint to them that something is not right here????
Great thing is the ID90's but this can be a pain on a quick trip away from Doha with the family.

People always think about the $$$ coming here, but remember the thing you can NEVER GET BACK is TIME. Dont waste it here if you are not prepared to have fits of frustration and anger, pleasure and balance that with fatigue

Thats about it for now...... good luck in making a decision..... its not easy to live here, especially if you expect it to be as efficient as the western world, but if you have a decent attitude you can be alright.
I would suggest, like others is to come here for two weeks with the family; and see.

hope it helps.
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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 22:13
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question?

Is there anybody happy to work in Qatar, for Qatar Airways? Hard to believe after reading all threads about this company...
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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 22:34
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Great post Disagreeable! Appreciate the personal input and perspective.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 04:55
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Many thanks Disagreeable! Great post!
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Old 26th Sep 2012, 07:55
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I have applied for an FO job with QA and have done, as most other, extensive research into the Company and also the country. I am British but work in Saudi so have been over to Doha and talked to FOs and Captains with the Company.

All of the (non-abusive) posts fit with what I have seen and heard. I am entering the civilian market having just left the military so I don't have much of an option. If you have other options then take them...however...I know many people who like Doha and QA. Why? The money is good, Doha is Dubai 10 years ago so slightly more rustic and arabic which may (or may not) appeal to you and the expat lifestyle is enjoyable if you get involved.

Having lived in the ME for 2 years you seriously need to consider the lifestyle change before moving here. It is a culture that is very different to the West but has many redeeming features. The people are very friendly and courteous and if you are polite to them you can expect the same back. If you think it will be just like Europe but a bit warmer think again. Notwithstanding that, it is a great opportunity if you and your wife are flexible and happy to roll with the punches.

Family happiness in the ME is everything. So make sure your wife is really ready and prepared for living out here. There is nothing worse than having family hassles because of an unhappy wife and kids.

I hope this helps. Good luck with your decision.
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