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India fishermen deny US ship warned them in UAE shooting
Muthu Muniraj was shot in the legs when the USNS Rappahannock opened fire
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Indian fishermen injured when their boat was shot at by a US Navy ship off the coast of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) say they received no warnings before they came under fire.
One fisherman was killed and three others injured when the USNS Rappahannock raked the small boat with machinegun fire near Dubai on Monday.
The US Navy says the boat approached at speed and ignored repeated warnings.
Indian and US officials have launched investigations into the incident.
The shooting comes as the US expands its military presence in the Gulf, ramping up pressure on Iran over its nuclear programme.
'Very sudden' Fisherman Muthu Muniraj, 28, speaking to Reuters news agency from hospital in Dubai, said they had not received any warnings from the US refuelling ship.
"We had no warning at all from the ship, we were speeding up to try and go around them and then suddenly we got fired at," he said.
Mr Muniraj was shot in the legs.
"We know warning signs and sounds and there were none. It was very sudden. My friend was killed, he's gone. I don't understand what happened."
The crew of the boat - six Indians and two Emiratis - said they had been returning from trawling in waters off Jebel Ali.
"We were fishing and then on the way back they started shooting at us, so many shots, like a storm," said Muthu Kannan, 35.
He suffered gunshot wounds to the abdomen and leg.
"This is not the first time for us to go out in the boat and we all know what a warning is," said Pandu Sanadhan, 26.
A security team on the Rappahannock opened fire after the boat failed to heed warnings, the US says
"All I can remember is a lot of shooting."
The identity of the fisherman who was killed has not yet been released.
The dead man and his wounded colleagues all came from the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu.
The US embassy in Delhi issued a statement on Tuesday "to convey its condolences" to the families of the crew.
US defence officials said on Monday that after "the vessel disregarded non-lethal warnings and rapidly approached the US ship", a security team on the Rappahannock fired rounds from a .50-calibre machine gun.
There were concerns of a repeat of the suicide attack 12 years ago on the destroyer USS Cole in which a small boat was used, they added.
Indian Foreign Minister SM Krishna described Monday's death as "unfortunate" and said the matter had been taken up with the United States.
Monday's incident follows the killing of two Indian fishermen in February off India's southern coast by Italian marines guarding an oil tanker. The marines said they mistook the fishermen for pirates.
Two Italian marines have been charged with murder and are on trial in India and the incident has caused a diplomatic row between the two countries.
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Indian fishermen injured when their boat was shot at by a US Navy ship off the coast of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) say they received no warnings before they came under fire.
One fisherman was killed and three others injured when the USNS Rappahannock raked the small boat with machinegun fire near Dubai on Monday.
The US Navy says the boat approached at speed and ignored repeated warnings.
Indian and US officials have launched investigations into the incident.
The shooting comes as the US expands its military presence in the Gulf, ramping up pressure on Iran over its nuclear programme.
'Very sudden' Fisherman Muthu Muniraj, 28, speaking to Reuters news agency from hospital in Dubai, said they had not received any warnings from the US refuelling ship.
"We had no warning at all from the ship, we were speeding up to try and go around them and then suddenly we got fired at," he said.
Mr Muniraj was shot in the legs.
"We know warning signs and sounds and there were none. It was very sudden. My friend was killed, he's gone. I don't understand what happened."
The crew of the boat - six Indians and two Emiratis - said they had been returning from trawling in waters off Jebel Ali.
"We were fishing and then on the way back they started shooting at us, so many shots, like a storm," said Muthu Kannan, 35.
He suffered gunshot wounds to the abdomen and leg.
"This is not the first time for us to go out in the boat and we all know what a warning is," said Pandu Sanadhan, 26.
A security team on the Rappahannock opened fire after the boat failed to heed warnings, the US says "All I can remember is a lot of shooting."
The identity of the fisherman who was killed has not yet been released.
The dead man and his wounded colleagues all came from the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu.
The US embassy in Delhi issued a statement on Tuesday "to convey its condolences" to the families of the crew.
US defence officials said on Monday that after "the vessel disregarded non-lethal warnings and rapidly approached the US ship", a security team on the Rappahannock fired rounds from a .50-calibre machine gun.
There were concerns of a repeat of the suicide attack 12 years ago on the destroyer USS Cole in which a small boat was used, they added.
Indian Foreign Minister SM Krishna described Monday's death as "unfortunate" and said the matter had been taken up with the United States.
Monday's incident follows the killing of two Indian fishermen in February off India's southern coast by Italian marines guarding an oil tanker. The marines said they mistook the fishermen for pirates.
Two Italian marines have been charged with murder and are on trial in India and the incident has caused a diplomatic row between the two countries.
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When someone with a bigger gun(s) ask you to do something, you do it. I'd expect that even the most colossally stupid could figure that one out.
I expect they chose to ignore the repeated warnings, probably in different many different languages over the hailer as well.
I wonder how far I'd get if I choose to ignore the local police on my little boat going high speed toward the Burj Al Arab?
Trigger happy....I don't think so, taking what means are necessary in a short time to protect oneself given the nature of terrorism I'd say those clowns were lucky to not have been blown into the next galaxy.
I expect they chose to ignore the repeated warnings, probably in different many different languages over the hailer as well.
I wonder how far I'd get if I choose to ignore the local police on my little boat going high speed toward the Burj Al Arab?
Trigger happy....I don't think so, taking what means are necessary in a short time to protect oneself given the nature of terrorism I'd say those clowns were lucky to not have been blown into the next galaxy.
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"We had no warning at all from the ship, we were speeding up to try and go around them and then suddenly we got fired at,
If they weren't smart enough to pass astern rather than try to out run the ship, they probably weren't clever enough to recognize the warning...these fisherman here do the same, they will not alter course no matter what...many pleasure boats and otherwise have to swerve or alter course dramatically to avoid these folks...no seamanship skills whatsoever....
If they weren't smart enough to pass astern rather than try to out run the ship, they probably weren't clever enough to recognize the warning...these fisherman here do the same, they will not alter course no matter what...many pleasure boats and otherwise have to swerve or alter course dramatically to avoid these folks...no seamanship skills whatsoever....
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After what happened to the Cole i would think they would be a bit more "trigger happy". You have to be a bit dense to drive a boat at a navy ship in the gulf, warnings or not. The survivors are lucky it was only a 50 that shot them up.
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Whilst I can understand that the navy guys might be a bit tense based on the Yemen incident, a certain amount of common sense needs to be applied... or perhaps at least some better training.
For a start the Iranians are not a two-bit terrorist group looking for a quick hit, and although the threat of terrorism exists to a small extent from the odd fanatical fundamentalist group it's unlikely to occur in waters off Jebel Ali.
These poor fisherman are third-world born, possibly uneducated and illiterate and inevitably not as wary of the issues of sailing close to US military vessels. Although the US does face a small threat from some radical fundamentalist groups in the Gulf it is unlikely to happen off the coast of Jebel Ali, as most of the groups sponsors probably have financial interests in Dubai that they would not want to be harmed.
And as for Iran, they're a country with a military with big ambitions... hardly likely they'd want to enhance their reputation by ramming a Warship with a fishing boat terrorist-style. That would just be embarrassing.
My big worry now with this new-found paranioa is that we could face another incident like the 1989 Iran Air one, where simple common sense and proper procedures could prevented the deaths of hundreds of innocent Joe's like you and me just going about our daily business...
For a start the Iranians are not a two-bit terrorist group looking for a quick hit, and although the threat of terrorism exists to a small extent from the odd fanatical fundamentalist group it's unlikely to occur in waters off Jebel Ali.
These poor fisherman are third-world born, possibly uneducated and illiterate and inevitably not as wary of the issues of sailing close to US military vessels. Although the US does face a small threat from some radical fundamentalist groups in the Gulf it is unlikely to happen off the coast of Jebel Ali, as most of the groups sponsors probably have financial interests in Dubai that they would not want to be harmed.
And as for Iran, they're a country with a military with big ambitions... hardly likely they'd want to enhance their reputation by ramming a Warship with a fishing boat terrorist-style. That would just be embarrassing.
My big worry now with this new-found paranioa is that we could face another incident like the 1989 Iran Air one, where simple common sense and proper procedures could prevented the deaths of hundreds of innocent Joe's like you and me just going about our daily business...
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Whilst I can understand that the navy guys might be a bit tense based on the Yemen incident, a certain amount of common sense needs to be applied... or perhaps at least some better training.
Keep your condescending attitude sharp there matey...let's see it shine it when it happens to some of your shipmates.....
Keep your condescending attitude sharp there matey...let's see it shine it when it happens to some of your shipmates.....
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You are either very naive or just stupid. All it takes is one suicide boat like the one that hit the USS Cole. The terrorists will have all the publicity they need and the US Navy, like you, will look stupid and naive for worrying more about political correctness than about their own security. Anybody who approaches a naval warship in a hurry and doesn't know that it's dangerous has no business in the water. It's just as stupid as the Indians in Dubai who run across the highways in Dubai and don't realize that it could kill you until it's too late. I see a trend.
You are either very naive or just stupid. All it takes is one suicide boat like the one that hit the USS Cole. The terrorists will have all the publicity they need and the US Navy, like you, will look stupid and naive for worrying more about political correctness than about their own security. Anybody who approaches a naval warship in a hurry and doesn't know that it's dangerous has no business in the water. It's just as stupid as the Indians in Dubai who run across the highways in Dubai and don't realize that it could kill you until it's too late. I see a trend.
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Hey ex A380-800 driver,
That's right, so you just better watch yourself around those "Yanks" or you could be the next ex live-breathing human.
That's right, so you just better watch yourself around those "Yanks" or you could be the next ex live-breathing human.
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because it happened in the Middle East
maybe if you paid a little attention you might have figured that out on your own...do YOU happen to fish off the coast of Jebel Ali?
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Whilst I can understand that the navy guys might be a bit tense based on the Yemen incident, a certain amount of common sense needs to be applied... or perhaps at least some better training
Looks to me like they completed it.
You don't see a huge hole on the side of this warship do ya.
Looks to me like they completed it.
You don't see a huge hole on the side of this warship do ya.
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Hole in the fishing boat sassy. Weren't you collecting for indians last Ramadan? How do you spell hypocrite?
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The outlaw,
What I meant was this has no relation to flying or aviation. Come to a forum like PPRuNe wouldn't except such a thread. I could understand anything to do with an airline, a pilots perspective but not this.
Thank you for replying to my post by the way and have a good day ahead
What I meant was this has no relation to flying or aviation. Come to a forum like PPRuNe wouldn't except such a thread. I could understand anything to do with an airline, a pilots perspective but not this.
Thank you for replying to my post by the way and have a good day ahead