Qatar Airways - The 5 star JOKE!!!
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Originally Posted by pproonhero
You are defending the company but it seems you have only joined recently.
Please share your views of the company after 2 years flying the line, and all that entails. That would add weight to your opinion.
For now, QR remains a stepping stone for many. Which other flag carrier do people leave to join a loco? Something must be wrong, right?
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Home is home and all is familiar. Deciding to move somewhere else is based on many grounds and strictly peronal.
But - if such decision is made you need to understand that you are away from home und things are different maybe not even close to what you are used too.
Decisions kan be reverted and I guess the best for you is to go back to your homecountry and join the flagcarrier (if they will take you).
If you cannot go right now, wait until you can but stop posting your private unhappyness
But - if such decision is made you need to understand that you are away from home und things are different maybe not even close to what you are used too.
Decisions kan be reverted and I guess the best for you is to go back to your homecountry and join the flagcarrier (if they will take you).
If you cannot go right now, wait until you can but stop posting your private unhappyness
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Dark magic ,I think is time for you go back to your manuals, read and try to improve your performance, where ever you go if you are not up to the required standards u will have the same problems, and u will have to write all this garbage again to justify your failure.
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Hey guys,
I read a lot of sensible arguments from many of you. I don't pretend to know better than anyone, I just would like to share my own experience. So don't shoot the messenger, ok?!
I think that you lifestyle in Doha and how you feel with Qatar Airways really depends on your fleet. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, all of you might be right.
At first when I joined I was more in the pros rather than the cons. But after having been flying for some time with the A320, I don't really like anymore my life in Qatar. It has been less than a year I have been flying here it is true, but to give you an example I will fly tonight for the 6th night in a row. And I don't really sleep in the day (nobody really does, this is our physiology to recover better after a good night of sleep). This is kind of depressing and unsafe. Now don't get me wrong, my friends in the A330 and B777 seem to enjoy it.
From my personal survey, I would say 85% of the pilots I flew with agreed with me and plan to leave one day (no such plan for me yet). The rest didn't really want to talk about it or said they like the company but recognised that it was better when they arrived. Most of the pilots who left where from this fleet (40 to Etihad this month according to the rumours). I didn't have the time and energy to check this information (not sure I officially could) but it seems to correlate what people shared with me.
Regarding the title of this thread, I must confess that I was expecting more from a five star airline (too much obviously). I am really surprised they don't really try hard to improve this roster for instance (as it has been many years like that as I heard). Trust me, flying so much is dangerous as we are, both of us, fatigued when we do this kind of flights. Then maybe you will tell me : why don't you call it fatigued if you are?
Well I have no doubt on my future in the company if I do that every two weeks (my average). Nobody will do that but everybody should (because 100% of the pilots I flew with told me they were actually fatigued and agreed to say that it was unsafe), that would be the only way to change this. This won't happen.
For me flying is like sitting on a chair: one leg for the pilots (training, experience, practice, physical conditions...), one for the weather, one for the aircraft (maintenance, age, general conditions...) and one for the airport (navaids, facilities, runway, terrain and obstacles...). If you start your flight with already one broken leg, then an incident or accident can happen in case of any additional problem.
I am really surprised to see that my life and my job aren't really different from two of my previous companies, who were officially blacklisted for many years and didn't pretend to be a 5-star airline.
On a less vital subject, but still important, it is very hard for me to have a social life in Doha. Most of my friends are pilots too and our days off are rarely synchronised (especially when my roster changes with less than 24-hour notice). Even tired I pushed myself to go out and meet friends outside of the company, but it is not easy as many weeks can pass until the next time we meet. And going alone to a bar or a restaurant isn't really nice for me.
About the cultural aspect, I also came with the idea of learning the language and meeting the locals. But you go to the first two learning sessions, you have to cancel the third because of your job and you become lazy after. I am human, there is only so much I can do.
Safe flights to all of you.
I read a lot of sensible arguments from many of you. I don't pretend to know better than anyone, I just would like to share my own experience. So don't shoot the messenger, ok?!
I think that you lifestyle in Doha and how you feel with Qatar Airways really depends on your fleet. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, all of you might be right.
At first when I joined I was more in the pros rather than the cons. But after having been flying for some time with the A320, I don't really like anymore my life in Qatar. It has been less than a year I have been flying here it is true, but to give you an example I will fly tonight for the 6th night in a row. And I don't really sleep in the day (nobody really does, this is our physiology to recover better after a good night of sleep). This is kind of depressing and unsafe. Now don't get me wrong, my friends in the A330 and B777 seem to enjoy it.
From my personal survey, I would say 85% of the pilots I flew with agreed with me and plan to leave one day (no such plan for me yet). The rest didn't really want to talk about it or said they like the company but recognised that it was better when they arrived. Most of the pilots who left where from this fleet (40 to Etihad this month according to the rumours). I didn't have the time and energy to check this information (not sure I officially could) but it seems to correlate what people shared with me.
Regarding the title of this thread, I must confess that I was expecting more from a five star airline (too much obviously). I am really surprised they don't really try hard to improve this roster for instance (as it has been many years like that as I heard). Trust me, flying so much is dangerous as we are, both of us, fatigued when we do this kind of flights. Then maybe you will tell me : why don't you call it fatigued if you are?
Well I have no doubt on my future in the company if I do that every two weeks (my average). Nobody will do that but everybody should (because 100% of the pilots I flew with told me they were actually fatigued and agreed to say that it was unsafe), that would be the only way to change this. This won't happen.
For me flying is like sitting on a chair: one leg for the pilots (training, experience, practice, physical conditions...), one for the weather, one for the aircraft (maintenance, age, general conditions...) and one for the airport (navaids, facilities, runway, terrain and obstacles...). If you start your flight with already one broken leg, then an incident or accident can happen in case of any additional problem.
I am really surprised to see that my life and my job aren't really different from two of my previous companies, who were officially blacklisted for many years and didn't pretend to be a 5-star airline.
On a less vital subject, but still important, it is very hard for me to have a social life in Doha. Most of my friends are pilots too and our days off are rarely synchronised (especially when my roster changes with less than 24-hour notice). Even tired I pushed myself to go out and meet friends outside of the company, but it is not easy as many weeks can pass until the next time we meet. And going alone to a bar or a restaurant isn't really nice for me.
About the cultural aspect, I also came with the idea of learning the language and meeting the locals. But you go to the first two learning sessions, you have to cancel the third because of your job and you become lazy after. I am human, there is only so much I can do.
Safe flights to all of you.
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+ 1 on that Gncy
Alot of truth in this forum, but depends on where you are in the mental cycle here. What I mean is you have definate cycles of frustration here...... simply put, the combination of Doha disorganisation combined with QR disorganisation adds up and eventually you will have a snap......
generally this will happen alot more if you are getting screwed around by office staff ..... eg: your holidays getting shifted or removed; nobody answering phone calls; different answers to questions; no reply to emails even with vital questions being asked; no communication on alot of issues,constant changes to OM A and SOP's..etc etc ...... and the list could really go on..... for those here you know what I mean
the problem is they are waiting for the NDIA to come so things can be shifted into a "new" phase..... but I really think they are fooling themselves as most of the problem is with the fact that they employ office staff that are incompetant, with no ryme or reason for things they do to you or others..... they just dont seem to have a template of steps to follow or do to have things in order.... its organised chaos! This also includes some of the managers as well, surely they are approving some of the crap that happens so they are part of the fray as well.
To be fair as well, the whole place is expanding at a riddiculas pace..... and everything is stretched to the limit, BUT thats really no excuse, and is really just bad planning......
Yes I agree, over the water, they have the idea, they think about what they want and make it with quality, and it shows, defections across the pond are happening alot! People disapearing because they are unhappy or not being trainined is also happening. That should give a clue to people who are not here.
All they have to do is simply COPY the treatment of the crews in Emirates for e.g! its not hard!!!!!
....... arent we a 5 star airline? or is it fools gold airline?
Also, the training is good in alot of areas but really bad on other.... double standards and weird interpretations of the SOP's. overworked training captains, no continuous training roster for new hires, not really any significant training material that helps a new joiner/transition jet pilot, terrible CBT etc etc......
The poor guys still on training hold have every right to be
off..... those guys are not getting told whats happening and are being at this stage treated like the indian wheel cleaners! successful Airline = communication QR!!! no wonder 40 777 guys bailed, and no wonder many others waiting to be trained will too i bet....
as to me, i dont plan to stay past my contract, if i get that far. I owe nothing so its a matter of being patient and going across the water when the time comes, especially if the rosters dont get better and the NDIA is a flop.....
To be fair, QR is still a good option if you get the call and NO OTHER opportunities arise...... come and see the other half, you can then decide when your here if its the place for you..... but dont poo poo people for taking the time to open your eyes to how it is here for alot of people.
good luck and enjoy(??)
Alot of truth in this forum, but depends on where you are in the mental cycle here. What I mean is you have definate cycles of frustration here...... simply put, the combination of Doha disorganisation combined with QR disorganisation adds up and eventually you will have a snap......
generally this will happen alot more if you are getting screwed around by office staff ..... eg: your holidays getting shifted or removed; nobody answering phone calls; different answers to questions; no reply to emails even with vital questions being asked; no communication on alot of issues,constant changes to OM A and SOP's..etc etc ...... and the list could really go on..... for those here you know what I mean
the problem is they are waiting for the NDIA to come so things can be shifted into a "new" phase..... but I really think they are fooling themselves as most of the problem is with the fact that they employ office staff that are incompetant, with no ryme or reason for things they do to you or others..... they just dont seem to have a template of steps to follow or do to have things in order.... its organised chaos! This also includes some of the managers as well, surely they are approving some of the crap that happens so they are part of the fray as well.
To be fair as well, the whole place is expanding at a riddiculas pace..... and everything is stretched to the limit, BUT thats really no excuse, and is really just bad planning......
Yes I agree, over the water, they have the idea, they think about what they want and make it with quality, and it shows, defections across the pond are happening alot! People disapearing because they are unhappy or not being trainined is also happening. That should give a clue to people who are not here.
All they have to do is simply COPY the treatment of the crews in Emirates for e.g! its not hard!!!!!
....... arent we a 5 star airline? or is it fools gold airline?
Also, the training is good in alot of areas but really bad on other.... double standards and weird interpretations of the SOP's. overworked training captains, no continuous training roster for new hires, not really any significant training material that helps a new joiner/transition jet pilot, terrible CBT etc etc......
The poor guys still on training hold have every right to be
off..... those guys are not getting told whats happening and are being at this stage treated like the indian wheel cleaners! successful Airline = communication QR!!! no wonder 40 777 guys bailed, and no wonder many others waiting to be trained will too i bet....as to me, i dont plan to stay past my contract, if i get that far. I owe nothing so its a matter of being patient and going across the water when the time comes, especially if the rosters dont get better and the NDIA is a flop.....
To be fair, QR is still a good option if you get the call and NO OTHER opportunities arise...... come and see the other half, you can then decide when your here if its the place for you..... but dont poo poo people for taking the time to open your eyes to how it is here for alot of people.
good luck and enjoy(??)
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Sounds like no pilot "poaching" agreement between QR and that other growing UAE carrier. Is there still a no-hiring agreement between QR and EK? What about QR and Flydubai or Air Arabia?
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Sounds like no pilot "poaching" agreement between QR and that other growing UAE carrier. Is there still a no-hiring agreement between QR and EK? What about QR and Flydubai or Air Arabia?
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Dark Magic I do agree with most of what you say. Ive been there, got the T Shirt and come out the other side.
FACT - Car loans WILL NOT be approved until 6 months service is complete, and a letter of employment from QR is given to the bank.
Doha isnt that bad to be honest. Pretty small with limited things to do. The beaches arent up to much either but its safe.
I guess QR will never go bust so in a way its a secure airline...
FACT - Car loans WILL NOT be approved until 6 months service is complete, and a letter of employment from QR is given to the bank.
Doha isnt that bad to be honest. Pretty small with limited things to do. The beaches arent up to much either but its safe.
I guess QR will never go bust so in a way its a secure airline...
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interesting read about Qatar via the cables....
US embassy cable - 09DOHA205
but one thing I had to laugh at was this paragrapgh:
LOL.... really does sum it up.... but i guess you have to be here to really enjoy that slap in the face! Truth is always funnier :-)
US embassy cable - 09DOHA205
but one thing I had to laugh at was this paragrapgh:
Qatar will seek to become a "mega-brand" by marketing itself as an international destination of "global" quality.
Qatar however lacks the services and supplies to sustain its ambitions to become a global "brand name." The poor quality of labor (born in part of a disenfranchised labor force) and sparseness of services may cause major bottle-necks in its infrastructure......with an ill-trained native workforce.
Qatar however lacks the services and supplies to sustain its ambitions to become a global "brand name." The poor quality of labor (born in part of a disenfranchised labor force) and sparseness of services may cause major bottle-necks in its infrastructure......with an ill-trained native workforce.
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FACT - Car loans WILL NOT be approved until 6 months service is complete, and a letter of employment from QR is given to the bank.
Was asking at the careers centre in HQ the other day for a friend, the girl on the desk told me that there is currently a 12 month 'waiting period' for anyone working for QR who wants to come work for EK. When I asked her if it was only for the job role in question, she said no, it applies for any job in EK. This was maybe 2-3 months ago, so I don't think it's just a rumour unfortunately.
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EK flys to QR and the moment you arrive, you will most likely be arrested for non-repayment of your bond.
Unless, of course, you end up on the A380 and it sh!ts itself there. Then you might have to sleep in the cabin instead of going into town to enjoy the Guitari "nightlife."
What a sh!thole... thank god I don't live there.
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firing question
Hi guys
A lot have been mentionned about firing going on in Qatar airways
Is it that anytime a pilot does an unstabilised approach let s say you find yourself briefly with descent rate above 1000 fpm ( for example 1100) below 1000 ft are you gonna get fired immediatly or not ?
What are the other common reasons for pilot firings ?
thanks
A lot have been mentionned about firing going on in Qatar airways
Is it that anytime a pilot does an unstabilised approach let s say you find yourself briefly with descent rate above 1000 fpm ( for example 1100) below 1000 ft are you gonna get fired immediatly or not ?
What are the other common reasons for pilot firings ?
thanks
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Mamad,
talking about unstable approachs 2 options for you:
1- you go around; nobody will question you.
2- you continue; Somebody will question you in the office,(unless you just exceed the stabilization criteria for a very short period of time due to external factors like gusty wind,downdraft,or in case of emergency..).
And Unless the trend shows in your file that it becomes an habit for you to brake the company policy,IMHO you won't be terminated simply because of ONE unstable approach...well up to a certain extend I guess..
Common reasons to be terminated ;
- criticize the CEO
- fail the alcohol test before the flight
- braking the company policy several time
...
talking about unstable approachs 2 options for you:
1- you go around; nobody will question you.
2- you continue; Somebody will question you in the office,(unless you just exceed the stabilization criteria for a very short period of time due to external factors like gusty wind,downdraft,or in case of emergency..).
And Unless the trend shows in your file that it becomes an habit for you to brake the company policy,IMHO you won't be terminated simply because of ONE unstable approach...well up to a certain extend I guess..
Common reasons to be terminated ;
- criticize the CEO
- fail the alcohol test before the flight
- braking the company policy several time
...
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Pilots are only terminated for "patterns" of not following SOP's! If you have an unstable approach, you may find yourself in the CP's office to explain your actions. Most first time offenses only results in a letter in your file.
Word of advice, DON'T BULLSH*T THE BULLSH*TER! All aircraft sends data back to the company after each flight. The company knows whose flying the aircraft. They have a team whose only job is to evaluate that data and to report any violation to the office. Admit your faults, you may get letter in your file, but you won't get fired if its your first attempt. In some case, you won't be terminated for the second violation, but, if your performance does not improve and you find yourself in the office again, don't be surprise if you walk out of the CP's office without a job!
Follow the SOP's. That is what you are paid to do! How difficult can that be????
Word of advice, DON'T BULLSH*T THE BULLSH*TER! All aircraft sends data back to the company after each flight. The company knows whose flying the aircraft. They have a team whose only job is to evaluate that data and to report any violation to the office. Admit your faults, you may get letter in your file, but you won't get fired if its your first attempt. In some case, you won't be terminated for the second violation, but, if your performance does not improve and you find yourself in the office again, don't be surprise if you walk out of the CP's office without a job!
Follow the SOP's. That is what you are paid to do! How difficult can that be????
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