How long will EK DEC program continue
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As of right now, June 2012
Most junior 777 captain hired Oct 2008 – 3yrs 8mo with the company
Most junior 330 captain hired Nov 2007 – 4yrs 7mo with the company
Most junior 380 captain hired July 2002 – 9yrs 11mo with the company
Most junior 777 captain hired Oct 2008 – 3yrs 8mo with the company
Most junior 330 captain hired Nov 2007 – 4yrs 7mo with the company
Most junior 380 captain hired July 2002 – 9yrs 11mo with the company
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MC , I was not referring to the present day upgrades I was referring to the new hire FO and when and on what they will up grade.
The full NAC course is 6-7 Sims plus 3 LOS's and an LOE
The full NAC course is 6-7 Sims plus 3 LOS's and an LOE
Magic,
As fatbus stated the current stats mean nothing for a new joiner. These Statistics only mean something to those that joined 5yrs ago.
Interesting that 2yrs ago the command on the A330 was taking over 5.5yrs and the 777 was at 3yrs. Notice any trend at all?
In 2002 a A330/310 commands was 18mths for and accelerated guy and 3 yrs fo everyone else. We had guys being accelerated onto 777 commands from the 330, while fellas with 3yrs in the company on the Boeing were left behind, as the only commands avail for a while on the 777 were "Transition ones". Leroy would put a 330 dude on NAC at 2.5yrs in the company while the 777 dude could not start until 3yrs in the company were completed. Only stating this because the two fleets have always been treated as separate with respect to rules. And it shows how things change.
Look again at what fleet numbers fatbus posted, and think about what these mean to a new joiner.
The Don
As fatbus stated the current stats mean nothing for a new joiner. These Statistics only mean something to those that joined 5yrs ago.
Interesting that 2yrs ago the command on the A330 was taking over 5.5yrs and the 777 was at 3yrs. Notice any trend at all?
In 2002 a A330/310 commands was 18mths for and accelerated guy and 3 yrs fo everyone else. We had guys being accelerated onto 777 commands from the 330, while fellas with 3yrs in the company on the Boeing were left behind, as the only commands avail for a while on the 777 were "Transition ones". Leroy would put a 330 dude on NAC at 2.5yrs in the company while the 777 dude could not start until 3yrs in the company were completed. Only stating this because the two fleets have always been treated as separate with respect to rules. And it shows how things change.
Look again at what fleet numbers fatbus posted, and think about what these mean to a new joiner.
The Don
Maghy,
I have no inside info. We have been told that DXB capacity is limiting EK expansion to 260/280 aircraft (cant remember which it is) until it moves to the new aiport in 2025. EK has 176 aircraft now. So lets call it fleet growth on 100 airframes in the next 13 years.
We now have 107 of the 160 Boeings we have been told will be in the fleet.
Going by the orders now the Boeing fleet will grow by just under 50% and the Bus fleet by a bit over 90% in the next 13 years.
I think its 65 DECs that are being hied this year.
Plan on a longer time for a command, and be pleasantly surprised if it happens earlier.
The Don
I have no inside info. We have been told that DXB capacity is limiting EK expansion to 260/280 aircraft (cant remember which it is) until it moves to the new aiport in 2025. EK has 176 aircraft now. So lets call it fleet growth on 100 airframes in the next 13 years.
We now have 107 of the 160 Boeings we have been told will be in the fleet.
Going by the orders now the Boeing fleet will grow by just under 50% and the Bus fleet by a bit over 90% in the next 13 years.
I think its 65 DECs that are being hied this year.
Plan on a longer time for a command, and be pleasantly surprised if it happens earlier.
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Hi all,
Within 48hrs of submitting my online application to Emirates for DeC my status indicated short listed. But 3 weeks later no phone call or no contact.
Anyone any idea what's happening?
V
Within 48hrs of submitting my online application to Emirates for DeC my status indicated short listed. But 3 weeks later no phone call or no contact.
Anyone any idea what's happening?
V
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If you knew who is in charge of manpower planning you would realize the mess they are in. The DEC thing changes daily. Latest is very few, they needed them NOW not 6 months from now and they cant train them fast enough. The focus is now on the 380 and how they are going to fix that one.
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All the time I read of a guy from Europe joining EK I feel sad. I just hope you did not leave a job to join the circus. Maghi just have crystal clear into your mind that there are three type of pilots in EK. One are the desperate that joined because they lost their job. They would leave tomorrow if they could. You will not read them here as they had no choice. I would say it is the majority.Than there are those in good faith that fell into the EK trap and ended up in desert. They soon realized their error and at the first occasion jumped ship...a minority. But there is substantial number of short dicked imbecils that you would read here that are still trying to convince themselves that the sorry life they are doing in one of the biggest ****hole of the world is a good life. To convince themselves they tend to try convince others. Are the one doing he bean counters on fleet numbers, upgrade times ect etc in the free time they have from their night turns to India and they try to compensate with optimistic views and suggestion the fact that de facto they are slave without whatsoever right. Listen to me your are still in time. It will take a decade to upgrade at least. Ek has peaked already . Arrogance had made his time and its time for aviation to back to country that have an actual population. EK is just a monster created by globalization with a certain destiny: extintion.
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Remember that all the guys you dispense advise left right and center about the state of the business and time to commands for new hires are just stating a preference or guessing.
Noone can for sure tell you when you will upgrade. Not in Emirates. Not anywhere. When I started in aviation 25 years ago I was told, that i would be a captain in 5 years. Had I stayed with this airline I would still be an FO.
There are not 3 types of pilots in EK. There are +3200.... we all have different reasons to being here.
Fact is very few people have left. Remember it is an expat airline and so eventually we will all leave.
We are not slaves as someone suggested. Not more so than anyother employee in any job around the world. We are all on the same treadmill and slaves of our own ambitions and aspirations.
Personally I have had 10 great years in EK so far and my family is happy, so I will stay a little longer...
Someone wrote the time to command on the different types. The A380 time is wrong. The least senior capt on the fleet hold a management position, hence is out of seniority. Time to command on the A380 is approx 10,5 years today, but the real picture wont emerge untill the pilots who were hired while the A380 was in the fleet come up for command on it. Then it will come drastically down
Noone can for sure tell you when you will upgrade. Not in Emirates. Not anywhere. When I started in aviation 25 years ago I was told, that i would be a captain in 5 years. Had I stayed with this airline I would still be an FO.
There are not 3 types of pilots in EK. There are +3200.... we all have different reasons to being here.
Fact is very few people have left. Remember it is an expat airline and so eventually we will all leave.
We are not slaves as someone suggested. Not more so than anyother employee in any job around the world. We are all on the same treadmill and slaves of our own ambitions and aspirations.
Personally I have had 10 great years in EK so far and my family is happy, so I will stay a little longer...
Someone wrote the time to command on the different types. The A380 time is wrong. The least senior capt on the fleet hold a management position, hence is out of seniority. Time to command on the A380 is approx 10,5 years today, but the real picture wont emerge untill the pilots who were hired while the A380 was in the fleet come up for command on it. Then it will come drastically down
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Keep in mind that most the EK pilots think this is a good job. JetAim I don't know if your numbers are accurate but are probably pretty close to the truth.
Most of the good pilots have already left. Wait to the world economy turns around and see the exodus.
Most of the good pilots have already left. Wait to the world economy turns around and see the exodus.
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'Short dicked Imbecils'
'Most of the good pilots have already left'
We are all entitled to our opinions and how we view our employer and working conditions. However, when this 'opinion' involves emotional diatribe directed towards the very people you have to sit next to and work with, it over steps the line. Not only do I consider it insulting, it also demonstrates how immature you both are. You wouldn't quote that at work so why do you find it acceptable to make those sweeping statements here? Anonymity doesn't hide your ignorance!
These forums are open to the public and are often read by people who fly EK. I just hope that they have the intelligence to realise that the great majority of the pilots here are highly professional individuals who actually respect their fellow co workers.
Maybe that's something you should both consider....whilst you're still here!
'Short dicked Imbecils'
'Most of the good pilots have already left'
We are all entitled to our opinions and how we view our employer and working conditions. However, when this 'opinion' involves emotional diatribe directed towards the very people you have to sit next to and work with, it over steps the line. Not only do I consider it insulting, it also demonstrates how immature you both are. You wouldn't quote that at work so why do you find it acceptable to make those sweeping statements here? Anonymity doesn't hide your ignorance!
These forums are open to the public and are often read by people who fly EK. I just hope that they have the intelligence to realise that the great majority of the pilots here are highly professional individuals who actually respect their fellow co workers.
Maybe that's something you should both consider....whilst you're still here!
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Just a fleeting thought here.
Are they still interviewing for DEC positions. Last I heard, they were full up and were basically going thru the motions with those that they had invited before the dramatic cut in the numbers actually required.
I know a few who did interviews last couple of weeks and only a couple made it thru to the meds. This, out of the 16 who were invited.
Even after the medical they don't know whether they are in or not. By what I made out, BOTH are certain they won't be called for the job due some 'disqualification' at the referees stage or at the medicals.
I guess the numbers are made and the seats are taken. Now it's just about lip service to those invited.
Comments welcome.
Are they still interviewing for DEC positions. Last I heard, they were full up and were basically going thru the motions with those that they had invited before the dramatic cut in the numbers actually required.
I know a few who did interviews last couple of weeks and only a couple made it thru to the meds. This, out of the 16 who were invited.
Even after the medical they don't know whether they are in or not. By what I made out, BOTH are certain they won't be called for the job due some 'disqualification' at the referees stage or at the medicals.
I guess the numbers are made and the seats are taken. Now it's just about lip service to those invited.
Comments welcome.
It costs EK travel accommodation and meals to get someone over for an interview. Knowing how Ek does not waste money I would assure your friend that any non acceptance would be due to poor performance not EK face saving. Hope this helps.
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Respect the pilots at EK Bymonek?
This is from pilots that I have heard from directly;
"The company has said that hiring DECs will not delay my upgrade."
Please explain to me how putting 150 or so DECs (I would like to use another four letter word here) in front of you will NOT delay your upgrade. Which is worse in this case Emirates hiring DECs or delusional pilots believing the crap management spouts?
"This is the best job in the world, bar none."
No this is the best job you can get. Emirates is not the best job in the world, not by a long shot. Please pull your head out of your arse and take a look around you. Do you see any LH, AF or BA pilots here? There is a reason you don't see any of those pilots here. They don't want to take a pay cut and fly more hours.
So these are the pilots we are suppose to respect? These same pilots that couldn't get hired at a good airline and now think EK is the be all end all of aviation. Please help us!
This is from pilots that I have heard from directly;
"The company has said that hiring DECs will not delay my upgrade."
Please explain to me how putting 150 or so DECs (I would like to use another four letter word here) in front of you will NOT delay your upgrade. Which is worse in this case Emirates hiring DECs or delusional pilots believing the crap management spouts?
"This is the best job in the world, bar none."
No this is the best job you can get. Emirates is not the best job in the world, not by a long shot. Please pull your head out of your arse and take a look around you. Do you see any LH, AF or BA pilots here? There is a reason you don't see any of those pilots here. They don't want to take a pay cut and fly more hours.
So these are the pilots we are suppose to respect? These same pilots that couldn't get hired at a good airline and now think EK is the be all end all of aviation. Please help us!
Swan Man, that is YOUR opinion, that it is NOT the best job in the world.
And the guys who say it IS, that is THEIR opinion.
There is actually no right or wrong, it's all in the perspective.
I still don't understand how so many of you can fail to get this.
Okay, I'm not a pilot, but I don't tell the girl working corporate in Saudi that she's wrong when she says her job is the best crew gig in the world. For her, it is. Just as when people try to tell me their job back in Oz is better than mine- I've been there done that, and for me, here is the best. Nothing to do with not being able to be hired or not by anyone else, it's about choices. What's good for one is not necessarily good for the other.
The endless bagging of people who are happy in the M.E. on this forum is kind of killing it to be honest. It used to be fun here. Some of you accuse the guys here that enjoy life of trying to 'justify' their taking the job. I would turn it around and say that all you saying "it's the worst job in the world, woe is me" that haven't actually been here are trying to justify NOT being here...
That's my 2c, I'm off to brew the coffee...
And the guys who say it IS, that is THEIR opinion.
There is actually no right or wrong, it's all in the perspective.
I still don't understand how so many of you can fail to get this.
Okay, I'm not a pilot, but I don't tell the girl working corporate in Saudi that she's wrong when she says her job is the best crew gig in the world. For her, it is. Just as when people try to tell me their job back in Oz is better than mine- I've been there done that, and for me, here is the best. Nothing to do with not being able to be hired or not by anyone else, it's about choices. What's good for one is not necessarily good for the other.
The endless bagging of people who are happy in the M.E. on this forum is kind of killing it to be honest. It used to be fun here. Some of you accuse the guys here that enjoy life of trying to 'justify' their taking the job. I would turn it around and say that all you saying "it's the worst job in the world, woe is me" that haven't actually been here are trying to justify NOT being here...
That's my 2c, I'm off to brew the coffee...
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I don't remember so many recruiting programs from these majors in the last 10 yrs...so please forgive us if we didn't wait for the big Airlines and we accepted to fly for one of the not so posh jobs in the industry. In the meantime our fellow pilots in their goldshells, well paid and protected...have always refused to share their lovely working conditions by, for example, promoting a minimum contract for the pilot community.