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They are doing the Ottoman style forward back back forward back back, the standards are falling again crisis management head n sand but deeper and deeper the next disaster is coming soon I am reliably informationed.
"IYI Ucuslar" all will be well in the Squadron.
Despite NO CRM ,NO TRAINING , NO PILOTING SKILL, NO SITUATION AWARE.NO RADAR , NO DEICING , NO UNDERSTANDING OF SYSTEMS OR EFFECTS OF DOWNGRADE.AND GREAT FATIGUE AS BAD ROSTER.
MAY GOD BE WITH YOU
"IYI Ucuslar" all will be well in the Squadron.
Despite NO CRM ,NO TRAINING , NO PILOTING SKILL, NO SITUATION AWARE.NO RADAR , NO DEICING , NO UNDERSTANDING OF SYSTEMS OR EFFECTS OF DOWNGRADE.AND GREAT FATIGUE AS BAD ROSTER.
MAY GOD BE WITH YOU
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last post is probably written by a Turkish person, who grew up in Germany.
he probably failed to get a job with Turkish airlines and blaming that on military background pilots.
and his English sucks.
he probably failed to get a job with Turkish airlines and blaming that on military background pilots.
and his English sucks.
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I understand your point but you need to see the situation from the Turkish national pilots point of view also. I would like to explain it with a very realistic example scenerio.
Lets say Air France started to expand rapidly and they are desperate for new pilots to join. I can assure you that the first requirement to join will be that you are European citizen and you are fluent in French.
I don't think that it is necessary to be fluent in any language other than English to be able to fly in an airline. So the first 2 requirements will straight away block the employment chance of about 99.9% of Turkish Pilots. This example is valid for (Lufthansa, Klm, Swiss, etc). If this is not a discrimination what is?
Lets say even after that they cannot find enough pilots with the above requirements. Then I can assure you that the agencies will start recruiting for them with an unclear career progression and with the knowledge that as soon as you are not needed you will be out.
Turkish airlines is not Emirates or Qatar airways.
There are enough Turkish pilots for the needs of Turkish airlines. These Turkish Pilots have no chance of recruitment in Europe or USA or Australia. THY needs foreign pilots only until the adequate number of Turkish pilots are trained. You have to agree with me that a flag career has to give priority to their the national pilots.
On the other hand I do agree with you that in case of Turkish airlines the existence of foreign pilots - at least for temporarily - is a good thing for CRM. If THY wants to be a global airline than they have think globally.
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I understand your point but you need to see the situation from the Turkish national pilots point of view also. I would like to explain it with a very realistic example scenerio.
Lets say Air France started to expand rapidly and they are desperate for new pilots to join. I can assure you that the first requirement to join will be that you are European citizen and you are fluent in French.
I don't think that it is necessary to be fluent in any language other than English to be able to fly in an airline. So the first 2 requirements will straight away block the employment chance of about 99.9% of Turkish Pilots. This example is valid for (Lufthansa, Klm, Swiss, etc). If this is not a discrimination what is?
Lets say even after that they cannot find enough pilots with the above requirements. Then I can assure you that the agencies will start recruiting for them with an unclear career progression and with the knowledge that as soon as you are not needed you will be out.
Turkish airlines is not Emirates or Qatar airways.
There are enough Turkish pilots for the needs of Turkish airlines. These Turkish Pilots have no chance of recruitment in Europe or USA or Australia. THY needs foreign pilots only until the adequate number of Turkish pilots are trained. You have to agree with me that a flag career has to give priority to their the national pilots.
On the other hand I do agree with you that in case of Turkish airlines the existence of foreign pilots - at least for temporarily - is a good thing for CRM. If THY wants to be a global airline than they have think globally.
Thanks
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Hi guys,
Recently I passed the recruitment in THY i can say it was tough but if you are a profesinal it will be no problems .The pass rate is very low out of 13 we made it 3 of us.
Just waiting for confirmation which can be as long as three weeks from my friends experience.
Recently I passed the recruitment in THY i can say it was tough but if you are a profesinal it will be no problems .The pass rate is very low out of 13 we made it 3 of us.
Just waiting for confirmation which can be as long as three weeks from my friends experience.
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Easy point here.
How many turkish pilots do you know in Air France? Actually, how many spanish or british guys do you know in Air France?
And how many italians in Lufthansa? And how many expats in KLM? Alitalia? British? etc etc etc
This is a flag carrier that, as someone mentioned above, belongs to a "big" country who will soon or later meet the requirements with the locals.
My advise, come here knowing that this isn't the place to progress as a young guy. Come here as an FO to grow your hours and do some money.
If you're a captain and you're close to the retirement age, come here to spend a nice time in a nice place and do a good money and that's it.
Good news for the 320 or 737 guys. Some of them already moved from right hand seat in the "small" planes to the 330 and 777 which means having a nice 3 weeks on 1 week off (often 10 consecutive days off a month) with a nice salary and just 2 or 3 hours away from home.
But... only few cases known, let's see if they really upgrade some few more guys or if we see finally some expat FO upgrading to CPT position.
Good luck to all.
How many turkish pilots do you know in Air France? Actually, how many spanish or british guys do you know in Air France?
And how many italians in Lufthansa? And how many expats in KLM? Alitalia? British? etc etc etc
This is a flag carrier that, as someone mentioned above, belongs to a "big" country who will soon or later meet the requirements with the locals.
My advise, come here knowing that this isn't the place to progress as a young guy. Come here as an FO to grow your hours and do some money.
If you're a captain and you're close to the retirement age, come here to spend a nice time in a nice place and do a good money and that's it.
Good news for the 320 or 737 guys. Some of them already moved from right hand seat in the "small" planes to the 330 and 777 which means having a nice 3 weeks on 1 week off (often 10 consecutive days off a month) with a nice salary and just 2 or 3 hours away from home.
But... only few cases known, let's see if they really upgrade some few more guys or if we see finally some expat FO upgrading to CPT position.
Good luck to all.
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How does the future look for Turkish nationals who live in Europe with a fATPL? THY has it's own cadet pilot programme but it's hard for someone who lives in Europe to get in this cpp.
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None of majors in Europe will ever employ a guy who is not proficient in their language. You may be not italian native but your mother or father is so you speak perfect italian and you get hired by Alitalia in a screening. Yes, possible.
Same for AirFrance etc... you can speak french but if you go to the interview and you have a medium-high level with some strange accent on it... forget about the job. Same in BA... and so.
Look, you mentioned EK and I don't think any Turkish pilot wants THY to become the next EK, EY or QR. They want to be what they are, a big flag carrier like BA, AF etc... and that includes having ALL native turk speakers, etc.
Take it or leave it, but don't bitch on it in every single post.
I do work for THY, they offered me a good salary and to fly brand new planes and that is it.
They offered or actually said they were giving a permanent contract and they didn't at the end. Yes this sucks and this is the main reason why I'll leave from here as soon as some reasonable offer comes. But I still think that this was the only "good" or "acceptable" offer a part of the ones in the Middle East.
The only thing you need to know when coming here is that this won't be your career place as it could be in EK for example. Accept it, understand it and then take the job.
Otherwise, if you don't want to accept that in a MAJOR you will always be a YABANCI you have a problem.
The only companies to take expats and make of them a "normal" and a "in seniority list" guy are these companies in the Middle East where they have basically no locals to fly their planes.
Or, if you're spanish like me you can always go and work for Iberia
Btw, as I said they already moved some expats from FO 737 to FO 777. Some other, in the other hand, were told not to move because they'll need to sign a bond of 3 years in the new fleet and they were expecting them to upgrade to 737 CPT before this 3 year period.
Same for AirFrance etc... you can speak french but if you go to the interview and you have a medium-high level with some strange accent on it... forget about the job. Same in BA... and so.
Look, you mentioned EK and I don't think any Turkish pilot wants THY to become the next EK, EY or QR. They want to be what they are, a big flag carrier like BA, AF etc... and that includes having ALL native turk speakers, etc.
Take it or leave it, but don't bitch on it in every single post.
I do work for THY, they offered me a good salary and to fly brand new planes and that is it.
They offered or actually said they were giving a permanent contract and they didn't at the end. Yes this sucks and this is the main reason why I'll leave from here as soon as some reasonable offer comes. But I still think that this was the only "good" or "acceptable" offer a part of the ones in the Middle East.
The only thing you need to know when coming here is that this won't be your career place as it could be in EK for example. Accept it, understand it and then take the job.
Otherwise, if you don't want to accept that in a MAJOR you will always be a YABANCI you have a problem.
The only companies to take expats and make of them a "normal" and a "in seniority list" guy are these companies in the Middle East where they have basically no locals to fly their planes.
Or, if you're spanish like me you can always go and work for Iberia
Btw, as I said they already moved some expats from FO 737 to FO 777. Some other, in the other hand, were told not to move because they'll need to sign a bond of 3 years in the new fleet and they were expecting them to upgrade to 737 CPT before this 3 year period.
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Well that is a totally personal opinion based on personal wishes.
Flag carriers are and will be there. Some doing fine, some doing not that fine.
And yes, they do have enough locals. Plenty of british, french, german guys out there with experience. And plenty of them coming out from private schools all over the globe.
The only reason for needing pilots in THY is the "non normal" growth which is leading in a desperate need of pilots. But that will be corrected soon or late.
I hope for our own interest (mine at least) that they'll keep this needs for the next 5-10 years which maybe leads in a career progression for Yabanci FOs like me. If I can leave here after some years with few more hours and € in my pocket that will be ok. If I can do it having some hours on the left hand seat this will be more than welcomed!
Flag carriers are and will be there. Some doing fine, some doing not that fine.
And yes, they do have enough locals. Plenty of british, french, german guys out there with experience. And plenty of them coming out from private schools all over the globe.
The only reason for needing pilots in THY is the "non normal" growth which is leading in a desperate need of pilots. But that will be corrected soon or late.
I hope for our own interest (mine at least) that they'll keep this needs for the next 5-10 years which maybe leads in a career progression for Yabanci FOs like me. If I can leave here after some years with few more hours and € in my pocket that will be ok. If I can do it having some hours on the left hand seat this will be more than welcomed!
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What about capt upgrades from 320 to 330? Any possibilities? What about training and/or management pilot positions for those with prior experience?
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Will they accept someone who has over 1600 hours 737, but not 1000 on the NG?
I am rated on the NG, but 'only' have about 250 hrs on it.
Is it a problem to not speak a lot more Turkish apart from, beer, tea and kebab?
Thanks!
I am rated on the NG, but 'only' have about 250 hrs on it.
Is it a problem to not speak a lot more Turkish apart from, beer, tea and kebab?
Thanks!
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Don't know if they changed the requirements but before they were asking for 500hrs on the NG and yes, below this was a NO GO.
Regarding upgrade from CPT 320 to 330... well, I would say no initially but maybe after some few years... who knows.
Regarding upgrade from CPT 320 to 330... well, I would say no initially but maybe after some few years... who knows.
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Does anyone working for THY as an SFI (direct or contract) have any information on the current situation. Are the conditions as negative as many posters on here imply or are they better? Couldn't find much here or in Instructor forum.
Thanks in advance SB
Thanks in advance SB
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Bus Driver Man I feel offended. You are the manifest to the risible level of intellectuality this category has come to. How is it possible that , living and working in Turkey you are not affected by the events there? What if a widespread insurgency comes and THY get screwed...what if they magnificent plans go wrong.. You will be the first out. I'm sure you hang pictures of naked woman on your bus.. do you? Anything hanging from the overhead panel..??
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instead of feeling offended, why don't you relax with a good glass of wine. didn't you embarrass yourself enough on the italian forum?
tz
Bus Driver Man I feel offended.
tz