Is war likely with Iran? Consequences for EK?
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My friend, its not a 'JEW THING' as you pretend.
All is not quite (or anywhere near) as it seems and the public has been grossly misinformed.
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Appears to be some elements of 'stockholm syndrome' in some of these replies. It's not the Iranians per se, but rather who will be the recipients of the enriched uranium to do the deed for them, & THAT is the main concern of the Israelis/USA et al.
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If that were really the case then Israel and the USA would have attacked a great number of former soviet states a long time ago.
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and Pakistan is a far bigger problem than Iran.
However if Iran is allowed to acquire those same capabilities... it's a coin flip.
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Worrying attitudes.
Israel were attacked by Iraq (Scud missile bombardment) and did not react. That is an example of why this nation is to be trusted. I doubt if the UK, the USA, Germany or France would have allowed this.
Now if Israel is likely to be attacked with nuclear weaponry, they have every right to try and prevent such a thing. Again, this right is accepted by all nations, who would do the same under such circumstances.
This Palestinian story is a red herring. The Iranian government and religious leaders care not a jot about Palestinians. The Palestinians would largely be murdered along with Israelis (Jews, Christians and Arabic people) in any nuclear attack.
The blindness expressed by the likes of Dani and sitting idly is terrifying. Rational people expressing views like those of Neville Chamberlain, who trusted Hitler in the face of overwhelming evidence.
People here seem to be mixing up anti-Israeli attitudes with common sense. It has happened before.
Now if Israel is likely to be attacked with nuclear weaponry, they have every right to try and prevent such a thing. Again, this right is accepted by all nations, who would do the same under such circumstances.
This Palestinian story is a red herring. The Iranian government and religious leaders care not a jot about Palestinians. The Palestinians would largely be murdered along with Israelis (Jews, Christians and Arabic people) in any nuclear attack.
The blindness expressed by the likes of Dani and sitting idly is terrifying. Rational people expressing views like those of Neville Chamberlain, who trusted Hitler in the face of overwhelming evidence.
People here seem to be mixing up anti-Israeli attitudes with common sense. It has happened before.
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Israel didn't react when attacked by scuds because;
a) they were told not to and
b) they knew full well that if they did all support by the Arab nations for the first gulf war would have evaporated in seconds leaving the coalition nowhere to base the gulf war and leaving them up the proverbial creek.
a) they were told not to and
b) they knew full well that if they did all support by the Arab nations for the first gulf war would have evaporated in seconds leaving the coalition nowhere to base the gulf war and leaving them up the proverbial creek.
Israel didn't react when attacked by scuds because;
a) they were told not to and
b) they knew full well that if they did all support by the Arab nations for the first gulf war would have evaporated in seconds leaving the coalition nowhere to base the gulf war and leaving them up the proverbial creek.
a) they were told not to and
b) they knew full well that if they did all support by the Arab nations for the first gulf war would have evaporated in seconds leaving the coalition nowhere to base the gulf war and leaving them up the proverbial creek.
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Selfish nonsense.
It seems that the Iranian nuclear threat is in fact a threat to your job, sittingidly. Or so you write. Bit self-centred. I for one don't care much about your job, nor that of your other colleagues in the Middle East, including Israel. I do care about a nuclear conflagration that could envelope us all. To read your anti-Israel bleating frankly makes me sick to the back teeth. Get a life, and get off your soap box. The issues facing us all are far greater than your obvious dislike for Israel.
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What could Iran possibly achieve with nuclear weapons other than mutually assured destruction...I've flown over the eastern Med and seen all the way from Turkey to Haifa with all of Cyprus, Lebanon and the Syrian coast in between...it's a very small piece of real estate everyone is all excited about. Any Iranian strike would wipe out all the people the Iranians were allegedly trying to help, the Palestinians, along with some nasty fallout on all the neighbors, not to mention the ca 1.5 million Arab-Israelis. Who could possibly believe this is a realistic scenario?
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Not defending actions against Gaza, enlighten us about Amnesty International's position on rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel, unprovoked? Should Israel sit idle?
Oh by the way... what was Amnesty International's position when Palestinians bombed Israeli schools, buses, night clubs taking innocent lives taking the lives of innocent women, men, boys and girls?
Last checked, Israel does not attack. they retaliate.
Oh by the way... what was Amnesty International's position when Palestinians bombed Israeli schools, buses, night clubs taking innocent lives taking the lives of innocent women, men, boys and girls?
Last checked, Israel does not attack. they retaliate.
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Then check harder....
@ Captjns: 
"Last checked, Israel does not attack. they retaliate."
This was at a time when Saddam was a major ally of America, EU and Arabs:
Operation Opera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
USA, another ally:
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Another war started by Israel which made its land-area tripple in size. It still occupies most of these lands against UN resolutions:
Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Last checked, Israel does not attack. they retaliate."
This was at a time when Saddam was a major ally of America, EU and Arabs:
Operation Opera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
USA, another ally:
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Another war started by Israel which made its land-area tripple in size. It still occupies most of these lands against UN resolutions:
Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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pardon my imagination
Fair enough, lets get back to the main subject.
I agree with IronButt57 that a USA war vs Iran is unlikely. But if it does happen it will be messy and long.
Iran knows that super powers like a quick and decisive war. They can't handle the long term bleeding as the war drags on (USA vs vietnam/iraq/afghanistan, Soviet vs afghanistan, Israel vs lebanon 2006, the 8-year Iran vs Iraq war) specially in these economic times.
If I had to guess, I'd say an Iran vs USA war would be similar to Israel vs Hezbollah 2006 but on a much bigger and longer scale and with global consiquences (assuming no other country gets involved).
But if other countries do get involved, and they will, then basically it'll be WW3.
Worst case scenario (again i'm only guessing):
In the Blue corner: North America, EU, Israel, Turkey, Australia, some former soviet states, some Arabian countries, some GCC countries.
In the Red corner: Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Russia, China, South America, Afghanistan, Pakistan, yemen (yes you read the last 3 countries correct).
In the neutral/unknown corner: India, oman, kuwait, Africa, Far East (japan, n/s.korea, malaysia, indonesia...etc).
Possible outcome: 2/3 of population will die during or after the war due hunger/cold/disease/radiation.
Basicaly we're all fooked.
Needles to say all airlines/businesses/governments in the gulf will be crippled for a long period, some wont even survive. cough*gf*cough
I agree with IronButt57 that a USA war vs Iran is unlikely. But if it does happen it will be messy and long.
Iran knows that super powers like a quick and decisive war. They can't handle the long term bleeding as the war drags on (USA vs vietnam/iraq/afghanistan, Soviet vs afghanistan, Israel vs lebanon 2006, the 8-year Iran vs Iraq war) specially in these economic times.
If I had to guess, I'd say an Iran vs USA war would be similar to Israel vs Hezbollah 2006 but on a much bigger and longer scale and with global consiquences (assuming no other country gets involved).
But if other countries do get involved, and they will, then basically it'll be WW3.
Worst case scenario (again i'm only guessing):
In the Blue corner: North America, EU, Israel, Turkey, Australia, some former soviet states, some Arabian countries, some GCC countries.
In the Red corner: Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Russia, China, South America, Afghanistan, Pakistan, yemen (yes you read the last 3 countries correct).
In the neutral/unknown corner: India, oman, kuwait, Africa, Far East (japan, n/s.korea, malaysia, indonesia...etc).
Possible outcome: 2/3 of population will die during or after the war due hunger/cold/disease/radiation.
Basicaly we're all fooked.
Needles to say all airlines/businesses/governments in the gulf will be crippled for a long period, some wont even survive. cough*gf*cough
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Are the Gulf states really going to let the US cripple their economies without suitable measures (hard cash, investment, resources and favours) being put in place before hand? I don't think so. The recent softening by Obama is probably due to the realisation of how much this war would cost. Israel starting the conflict seemingly against US wishes would be a bit of a boon for the US administration. Keep Israel in their rightful place as the bad guys whilst also blowing up the worrying nuclear sites and making any action against the Straights by the Iranians unjustifiable.
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Many do not remember the sigh of relief shared bymany Gulf States when Israel took out the Osiraq Nuclear Plant in June 7 1981 with the success of Operation Opera.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Osirak.html
Actual gratitude expressed by many States after the firstGulf War to
And Operation Orchid in 2007. OperationOrchard was an Israeli airstrike on a nuclearreactorin the Deir ez-Zor region of Syria carried out on September 6, 2007. Technology from North Korea and Air DefenseRadar courtesy of Russia. I guess Russiawas truly RED in the face in back paddling their failed systems.
http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/826/the-attack-on-syrias-al-kibar-nuclear-facility
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/washington/14weapons.html?pagewanted=all
History may repeat itself, and once again, if Israel should
takes the initiated to protect itself, the Gulf States will thank Israel. The danger of Iran's intention is not a perception, but real and apparent.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Osirak.html
Actual gratitude expressed by many States after the firstGulf War to
And Operation Orchid in 2007. OperationOrchard was an Israeli airstrike on a nuclearreactorin the Deir ez-Zor region of Syria carried out on September 6, 2007. Technology from North Korea and Air DefenseRadar courtesy of Russia. I guess Russiawas truly RED in the face in back paddling their failed systems.
http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/826/the-attack-on-syrias-al-kibar-nuclear-facility
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/washington/14weapons.html?pagewanted=all
History may repeat itself, and once again, if Israel should
takes the initiated to protect itself, the Gulf States will thank Israel. The danger of Iran's intention is not a perception, but real and apparent.
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Just looked Up Op. Opera in Wikipedi. If true this is an example of how twisted international politics is:
Parsi, in the book Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the United States, writes that a senior Israeli official met with a representative of the Khomeini regime in France one month prior to the Israeli attack.[48] The source of the assertion is Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli government employee. At the alleged meeting, the Iranians explained details of their 1980 attack on the site, and agreed to let Israeli planes land at an Iranian airfield in Tabriz in the case of an emergency
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We live in a time when we are witnessing change in the arab world from Turkey to Egypt to Libya to Tunisia to Syria and I think we can clearly state that what is coming out of the so called arab spring isn't democracy but teocracy, islamic teocracy that is.
Iran is a precursor with its oppressive political system based on religious law and rules which it publicly exports to Lebanon, Syria and to Hamas.
Western Europe is being flooded with immigrants from the arab world and many cities are seeing the birth of gettos and growing social and racial unrest often based on the immigrants' hatered towards the locals and their obsessive religious demands.
There are several immigrant groups in western Europe officially asking for the implementation of sharia law in their neighborhoods and entire areas where the locals are becoming a minority and where it's becoming increasingly dangerous to live a western style of life.
Of course our political correctness and our fear of offending "a minority" is keeping most of the media from openly commenting on such dramatic social issues and it's much easier to cover a "coran burning" story for weeks than showing how the Parisian muslims occupy an entire neighborhood for their prayers regardless of our secular laws.
The war is going to be on a much wider scale than just Iran...
Iran is a precursor with its oppressive political system based on religious law and rules which it publicly exports to Lebanon, Syria and to Hamas.
Western Europe is being flooded with immigrants from the arab world and many cities are seeing the birth of gettos and growing social and racial unrest often based on the immigrants' hatered towards the locals and their obsessive religious demands.
There are several immigrant groups in western Europe officially asking for the implementation of sharia law in their neighborhoods and entire areas where the locals are becoming a minority and where it's becoming increasingly dangerous to live a western style of life.
Of course our political correctness and our fear of offending "a minority" is keeping most of the media from openly commenting on such dramatic social issues and it's much easier to cover a "coran burning" story for weeks than showing how the Parisian muslims occupy an entire neighborhood for their prayers regardless of our secular laws.
The war is going to be on a much wider scale than just Iran...