Is war likely with Iran? Consequences for EK?
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I was listening to the Today program on BBC radio, and there was some good commentary. Basically, the Israelis 'red line' is the implementation on more centrifuges (where the Iranians are now). The USA's red-line is the creation of nuclear weapon grade uranium. They both will not let Iran create a nuclear weapon, regardless of what the Russians or Chinese may say.
No-one can see the Iranians stopping their research, so come late summer, the Israelis will do something, with or without the US.
No-one can see the Iranians stopping their research, so come late summer, the Israelis will do something, with or without the US.
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Iran have stated they are not into nuclear weapons. If that is a lie, then anything should be on the cards. Israel can "stay cool, calm and collected" until a big bang sees the end of them. That will not be allowed to happen.
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Iran will never start a war they can not win. They just want to have a voice in the UN. This project will keep the proud Perzian people united, whoever is in power.
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Turkey intercepted Iranian chemical weapons shipment to Syria
http://israelmatzav.********.com/201...mical.html?m=1
January 21st 2012
Four Iranian trucks that were intercepted by Turkey near the Syrian border two weeks ago were carrying raw materials for ballistic missiles and chemical weapons according to the Turkish daily Taraf. Iran denied that the trucks were carrying weapons.
While Turkish officials did not publicize the contents of the cargo in the Iranian trucks, Taraf reported that one truck was carrying for six-meter-long cylindrical tanks and heat-resistant materials, while the other three vehicles were transporting 66 tons of sodium sulfate, which can be used to make chemical weapons.
Turkey - which imposed an arms embargo on Syria last September - has dispatched a scientific team to study the contents of the freight, while the United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency has also requested a report on the trucks' materials.
The Iranian embassy in Ankara denied earlier this month that the four trucks held by Turkish customs were carrying military equipment from Iran to Syria, while a spokesman for Turkey's foreign ministry said an investigation was still in progress.
The trucks were confiscated in Turkey's southeast province of Kilis at the Oncupinar border crossing into Syria.
YNet adds:
Details on the documents obtained from the trucks suggested that the materials belonged to a leather company in Tehran and that they were being delivered to a person in Aleppo, Syria, for leather production.
Taraf has claimed that the same materials can be used in the production of chemical weapons and that the leather company is likely a cover up, recalling that thousands of people were killed by chemical weapons in Syria in 1982.
Syria already has chemical weapons, which has to make you wonder why they think they need more. Hmmm.
January 21st 2012
Four Iranian trucks that were intercepted by Turkey near the Syrian border two weeks ago were carrying raw materials for ballistic missiles and chemical weapons according to the Turkish daily Taraf. Iran denied that the trucks were carrying weapons.
While Turkish officials did not publicize the contents of the cargo in the Iranian trucks, Taraf reported that one truck was carrying for six-meter-long cylindrical tanks and heat-resistant materials, while the other three vehicles were transporting 66 tons of sodium sulfate, which can be used to make chemical weapons.
Turkey - which imposed an arms embargo on Syria last September - has dispatched a scientific team to study the contents of the freight, while the United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency has also requested a report on the trucks' materials.
The Iranian embassy in Ankara denied earlier this month that the four trucks held by Turkish customs were carrying military equipment from Iran to Syria, while a spokesman for Turkey's foreign ministry said an investigation was still in progress.
The trucks were confiscated in Turkey's southeast province of Kilis at the Oncupinar border crossing into Syria.
YNet adds:
Details on the documents obtained from the trucks suggested that the materials belonged to a leather company in Tehran and that they were being delivered to a person in Aleppo, Syria, for leather production.
Taraf has claimed that the same materials can be used in the production of chemical weapons and that the leather company is likely a cover up, recalling that thousands of people were killed by chemical weapons in Syria in 1982.
Syria already has chemical weapons, which has to make you wonder why they think they need more. Hmmm.
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Sitty - one of the reasons they can have nukes is that they are the only democracy in the Middle East or were at least until the "The Spring" - surrounded by nutters who believe there are 70 virgins waiting for them if they die killing Jews .
The Arabs are not strong enough to form stable democracy yet - working towards it though - not holding my breath.
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The Arabs are not strong enough to form stable democracy yet - working towards it though - not holding my breath.
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Stingidly, what flavor is that Kool-Aid you are drinking?
Iran a "somewhat" oppressive regime? They are not even allowed a free and open election much less free speech. You may not like the Jews but how can you defend Iran? They have the whole middle east scared including Saudia and the UAE.
Let's not get into the Palenstines cause. No one cares about them including the Arab states and they have brought most if not all of their problems on themselves. Ever hear of an educated Palenstinian? One that thinks of his country over himself?
And why should health care be a government requirement?
Iran a "somewhat" oppressive regime? They are not even allowed a free and open election much less free speech. You may not like the Jews but how can you defend Iran? They have the whole middle east scared including Saudia and the UAE.
Let's not get into the Palenstines cause. No one cares about them including the Arab states and they have brought most if not all of their problems on themselves. Ever hear of an educated Palenstinian? One that thinks of his country over himself?
And why should health care be a government requirement?
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Alas, I don't think there's any more good and bad sides, who's right or wrong, friend or foe, the oppressor or the oppressed.
The enemy now is inevitable and unavoidable war itself.
The enemy now is inevitable and unavoidable war itself.
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Iran Threatens Israel With Destruction
Iran Threatens Israel With Destruction, But the Times Doesn
Sittingidly, here is the answer to your query....
02.03.2012
Today’s speech by Iran’s Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, about the sanctions on his country and its determination to persist in its quest for nuclear capability was a significant news event. Khamenei served notice on the United States that he would not be bluffed into giving up his nuclear plans. Though he conceded*the economic pressure on his country has hurt, he said Iran is undaunted and would retaliate against the United States should its nuclear facilities come under attack. All this was reported in newspapers around the world, including the New York Times, which posted a story on the speech Friday morning.
However, there was something missing from the Times report of Khamenei’s speech that was reported elsewhere. Other accounts noted that in addition to threatening the United States, Khamenei said this: “The Zionist regime is a cancerous tumor and it will be removed.”
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Wiped off the map" controversy
On October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.[1] The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world. On October 30, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying:
Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.[2]
Ahmadinejad said that the issue with Palestine would be over "the day that all refugees return to their homes [and] a democratic government elected by the people comes to power",[3] and denounced attempts to normalise relations with Israel, condemning all Muslim leaders who accept the existence of Israel as "acknowledging a surrender and defeat of the Islamic world."
The speech indicated that he considered Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip to be a trick, designed to gain acknowledgment from Islamic states. In a rally held two days later, Ahmadinejad declared that his words reflected the views of the Iranian people, adding that Western world was free to comment, but its reactions were invalid.[4]
Sittingidly, here is the answer to your query....
02.03.2012
Today’s speech by Iran’s Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, about the sanctions on his country and its determination to persist in its quest for nuclear capability was a significant news event. Khamenei served notice on the United States that he would not be bluffed into giving up his nuclear plans. Though he conceded*the economic pressure on his country has hurt, he said Iran is undaunted and would retaliate against the United States should its nuclear facilities come under attack. All this was reported in newspapers around the world, including the New York Times, which posted a story on the speech Friday morning.
However, there was something missing from the Times report of Khamenei’s speech that was reported elsewhere. Other accounts noted that in addition to threatening the United States, Khamenei said this: “The Zionist regime is a cancerous tumor and it will be removed.”
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Wiped off the map" controversy
On October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map.[1] The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world. On October 30, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying:
Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.[2]
Ahmadinejad said that the issue with Palestine would be over "the day that all refugees return to their homes [and] a democratic government elected by the people comes to power",[3] and denounced attempts to normalise relations with Israel, condemning all Muslim leaders who accept the existence of Israel as "acknowledging a surrender and defeat of the Islamic world."
The speech indicated that he considered Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip to be a trick, designed to gain acknowledgment from Islamic states. In a rally held two days later, Ahmadinejad declared that his words reflected the views of the Iranian people, adding that Western world was free to comment, but its reactions were invalid.[4]
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Iran will never start a war they can not win. They just want to have a voice in the UN. This project will keep the proud Perzian people united, whoever is in power.
“The Zionist regime is a cancerous tumor and it will be removed.”
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What will happen when (not if) the Iranians have their nuclear weapons? Will they attack Israel?
Do you really think so? Starting a nuclear attack would mean the immediate and complete retaliation and thus destruction of most Iranian cities, military installations and industrial centres. I don't know if you are aware that Israel has nuclear armed submarines, so Iran cannot destroy Israel's nuclear capability by a simple attack with long rang missiles.
There is a simple law in modern strategy, it says that not one country with nuclear weapons has ever attacked another (with nuclear weapons). This is not a lucky circumstance (although luck belonged to it during the cold war), this is pure logic. Since nuclear attacks lead to the nuclear holocaust of all parties involved (plus others).
So, the question runs down on a simple one: Are the religious and political leaders crazy enough to accept their own death to erase Israel? I think not. They are no suicide bombers. They just have a few of them.
So there is no danger to be expected from Iran.
The bigger question is what danger erupts from a preemptive strike from Israel and/or USA to try to cut down the nuclear capabilies of Iran. Well, this means (conventional) war for sure. Iran would be forced to retaliate.
So, everyone comes to the clear conclusion, that doing nothing is the best way to go forward.
Dani
Do you really think so? Starting a nuclear attack would mean the immediate and complete retaliation and thus destruction of most Iranian cities, military installations and industrial centres. I don't know if you are aware that Israel has nuclear armed submarines, so Iran cannot destroy Israel's nuclear capability by a simple attack with long rang missiles.
There is a simple law in modern strategy, it says that not one country with nuclear weapons has ever attacked another (with nuclear weapons). This is not a lucky circumstance (although luck belonged to it during the cold war), this is pure logic. Since nuclear attacks lead to the nuclear holocaust of all parties involved (plus others).
So, the question runs down on a simple one: Are the religious and political leaders crazy enough to accept their own death to erase Israel? I think not. They are no suicide bombers. They just have a few of them.
So there is no danger to be expected from Iran.
The bigger question is what danger erupts from a preemptive strike from Israel and/or USA to try to cut down the nuclear capabilies of Iran. Well, this means (conventional) war for sure. Iran would be forced to retaliate.
So, everyone comes to the clear conclusion, that doing nothing is the best way to go forward.
Dani
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If war breaks out in the Middle East, all countries that have neglected to support the legitimate demands of the Palestinian people will pay a price.
The only thing Iran is doing, is verbal provocation, they will never attack first. Iran is just waiting for Israel to loose their nerves.
The best thing that can happen to the region is that Iran and Iraq are united under one flag or become close allies supported by Russia and China.
The lobbyists of the weapon industry control the Middle East foreign policy of the USA. They were the reason for the war between Iraq and Iran.
Anyone who thinks this is erased from the memory of the ordinary Iraqi or Iranian is neglecting a key factor in understanding the emotions that are present in their minds.
The main reason for 9/11 is the hypocritical attitude of the USA with regard to Saudi Arabia. Once the USA is less dependent on Middle Eastern oil everything will change. Obama has been very clear on that.
Given this context it is understandable, that any ally of the USA who behaves in a unreasonable way with regard to the faith of the Palestinians is treated in a similar way.
Another example is CNN. Altough CNN tried to focus on modern slavery, not a single word is mentioned on Middle Eastern practises in this respect.
As far as EK and the UAE is concerned, they are just (ab)using the USA as a lobbyist for their global expansion. More planes & weapons = more USA jobs = more new destinations = more UAE locals that feel as strangers in their own country.
This whole mess was started by the British political elite, everything they stick their noses in, changes into ****.
The only thing Iran is doing, is verbal provocation, they will never attack first. Iran is just waiting for Israel to loose their nerves.
The best thing that can happen to the region is that Iran and Iraq are united under one flag or become close allies supported by Russia and China.
The lobbyists of the weapon industry control the Middle East foreign policy of the USA. They were the reason for the war between Iraq and Iran.
Anyone who thinks this is erased from the memory of the ordinary Iraqi or Iranian is neglecting a key factor in understanding the emotions that are present in their minds.
The main reason for 9/11 is the hypocritical attitude of the USA with regard to Saudi Arabia. Once the USA is less dependent on Middle Eastern oil everything will change. Obama has been very clear on that.
Given this context it is understandable, that any ally of the USA who behaves in a unreasonable way with regard to the faith of the Palestinians is treated in a similar way.
Another example is CNN. Altough CNN tried to focus on modern slavery, not a single word is mentioned on Middle Eastern practises in this respect.
As far as EK and the UAE is concerned, they are just (ab)using the USA as a lobbyist for their global expansion. More planes & weapons = more USA jobs = more new destinations = more UAE locals that feel as strangers in their own country.
This whole mess was started by the British political elite, everything they stick their noses in, changes into ****.
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Another example is CNN. Altough CNN tried to focus on modern slavery, not a single word is mentioned on Middle Eastern practises in this respect.
This whole mess was started by the British political elite, everything they stick their noses in, changes into ****.
If anything started by either side all this govt will do is put up the price of fuel.
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Thank you Sitty, good to know I'm not the only one here seeing the bigger picture.
To all who think Ahmedinejad wants to distroy Israel, watch both till end:
Now go back to watching Cable News Nonsense.
To all who think Ahmedinejad wants to distroy Israel, watch both till end:
Now go back to watching Cable News Nonsense.
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