QR A320 Captain's roster
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QR A320 Captain's roster
For those contemplating joining QR, here is an actual roster for A320 Captain.The month and specific destinations have been omitted to protect the innocent. All times are based on DOHA which is where your body clock will be.
Day 1. day off at out station in Europe.
Day 2. wake-up-call 2150 to fly back to Doha.
Day 3. Land DOH 0535, report again 2245 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd).
Day 4. Land DOH 0645, report again 0000 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd).
Day 5. Land DOH 0555, report again 1945 for Gulf turn-around ARR DOH 0000.
Day 6. report 1800 regional turn-around
Day 7. Land DOH 0015, report again 1345 for three-sectors (Gulf + layover),
Day 8. land at outstation 0120 (layover), wake-up-call 1500, land DOH 2230
Day 9. off
Day 10. off
Day 11. report 0650, four-sectors around the Gulf, land DOH 1700.
Day 12. report 2245 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd)
Day 13. land DOH 0645, report again 2345, two sectors for layover.
Day 14. land at outstation 0830 (layover)
Day 15. wake-up-call 0855, two sectors, land DOH 1910
Day 16. off
Day 17. report 2345, regional turn-around
Day 18. land DOH 0545, report again 1925, one sector for layover
Day 19. land at outstation 0055 (layover), wake-up-call 2300
Day 20. operate back to DOH followed by a Gulf turn-around, land DOH 1050
Day 21. off
Day 22. off
Day 23. ground school (ex. crm, security, dangerous goods)
Day 24. report 1045 Gulf turn-around plus regional turn-around, land DOH 2230.
Day 25. off
Day 26. off
Day 27. report 0700 one sector to Europe for 22h layover.
Day 28. wake-up-call 1030 fly to DOH plus Gulf turn-around, land DOH 2320.
Day 29. report 1230 one sector to Europe for 24h layover.
Day 30. wake-up-call 2200 to fly to Doha
Day 31. land DOH 0530.
This roster has the minimum eight days off, of which seven are at home and one is in a hotel (Day 1). 92 block hours and 160 duty hours (= salary QAR42,500). Generally it is unusual to get days off at outstation.
You will often get a 10-12 day pattern with a combination of day and night flying with the one legal day off in the middle. Rest of the month will obviously be better.
QR operates strictly according to legality. No regard is taken for family issues, fatigue-issues or the flight safety implications fatigue has. You will be tired beyond your imagination, but you will get a decent meal at 3am if you wish.
By the way, management cancelled one week’s leave for all A320 pilots this winter.
Day 1. day off at out station in Europe.
Day 2. wake-up-call 2150 to fly back to Doha.
Day 3. Land DOH 0535, report again 2245 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd).
Day 4. Land DOH 0645, report again 0000 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd).
Day 5. Land DOH 0555, report again 1945 for Gulf turn-around ARR DOH 0000.
Day 6. report 1800 regional turn-around
Day 7. Land DOH 0015, report again 1345 for three-sectors (Gulf + layover),
Day 8. land at outstation 0120 (layover), wake-up-call 1500, land DOH 2230
Day 9. off
Day 10. off
Day 11. report 0650, four-sectors around the Gulf, land DOH 1700.
Day 12. report 2245 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd)
Day 13. land DOH 0645, report again 2345, two sectors for layover.
Day 14. land at outstation 0830 (layover)
Day 15. wake-up-call 0855, two sectors, land DOH 1910
Day 16. off
Day 17. report 2345, regional turn-around
Day 18. land DOH 0545, report again 1925, one sector for layover
Day 19. land at outstation 0055 (layover), wake-up-call 2300
Day 20. operate back to DOH followed by a Gulf turn-around, land DOH 1050
Day 21. off
Day 22. off
Day 23. ground school (ex. crm, security, dangerous goods)
Day 24. report 1045 Gulf turn-around plus regional turn-around, land DOH 2230.
Day 25. off
Day 26. off
Day 27. report 0700 one sector to Europe for 22h layover.
Day 28. wake-up-call 1030 fly to DOH plus Gulf turn-around, land DOH 2320.
Day 29. report 1230 one sector to Europe for 24h layover.
Day 30. wake-up-call 2200 to fly to Doha
Day 31. land DOH 0530.
This roster has the minimum eight days off, of which seven are at home and one is in a hotel (Day 1). 92 block hours and 160 duty hours (= salary QAR42,500). Generally it is unusual to get days off at outstation.
You will often get a 10-12 day pattern with a combination of day and night flying with the one legal day off in the middle. Rest of the month will obviously be better.
QR operates strictly according to legality. No regard is taken for family issues, fatigue-issues or the flight safety implications fatigue has. You will be tired beyond your imagination, but you will get a decent meal at 3am if you wish.
By the way, management cancelled one week’s leave for all A320 pilots this winter.
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Good Post Che Xindamail
This is also a First officers roster .
You know the saying things can only get better ? ... Possibly
Without a doubt family life suffers , Your are irritated easily when tired, Sleeping patterns messed up. Its not usual to have difficulty sleeping during the night and fall off maybe 5-6am....
This is also a First officers roster .
You know the saying things can only get better ? ... Possibly
Without a doubt family life suffers , Your are irritated easily when tired, Sleeping patterns messed up. Its not usual to have difficulty sleeping during the night and fall off maybe 5-6am....
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Day 1. day off at out station in Europe.
Day 2. wake-up-call 2150 to fly back to Doha.
Day 3. Land DOH 0535, report again 2245 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd).
Day 4. Land DOH 0645, report again 0000 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd).
Day 5. Land DOH 0555, report again 1945 for Gulf turn-around ARR DOH 0000.
Day 6. report 1800 regional turn-around
Day 7. Land DOH 0015, report again 1345 for three-sectors (Gulf + layover),
Day 8. land at outstation 0120 (layover), wake-up-call 1500, land DOH 2230
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Day 2. wake-up-call 2150 to fly back to Doha.
Day 3. Land DOH 0535, report again 2245 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd).
Day 4. Land DOH 0645, report again 0000 for Gulf turn-around (3h on gnd).
Day 5. Land DOH 0555, report again 1945 for Gulf turn-around ARR DOH 0000.
Day 6. report 1800 regional turn-around
Day 7. Land DOH 0015, report again 1345 for three-sectors (Gulf + layover),
Day 8. land at outstation 0120 (layover), wake-up-call 1500, land DOH 2230
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I must confess I never saw anything like this. That is almost insane... and I would say... dangerous.
92 hrs block and 160 duty??? And you only get paid for the bock time???
Che Xindamail, is this kind of rooster very common?
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If that's a typical A320 Captain roster at QR then I think I'd rather look for a new career. Looks an absolute nightmare on paper, there must be quite a bit of sickness at QR with guys who just can't take anymore. Perhaps the annual leave is fairly generous though, allowing pilots a bit of respite?
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where are you now? How was it to leave? can you describe the process? How did you arrange another job? I am sure with a schedule like the ones people are posting it would be hard to make it to an interview.
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Well, I did post something about Goat Airways some 3 years ago - and had the Goat guys jumping all over me
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......but the truth is simple! Come to EK
Some of my girly colleagues will moan about a 2 sector turn to India in the AM; after two days off, but all in all seems a lot better than you guys and gals at 'The Goat'
..............but the truth is simple! Come to EK
Some of my girly colleagues will moan about a 2 sector turn to India in the AM; after two days off, but all in all seems a lot better than you guys and gals at 'The Goat'
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I can confirm that the above roster is fairly typical for a 320 Capt, if anything block hours are higher, getting toward 100 hrs p/month, with min rest a regular occurrence.
I would also agree with the sentiments at the end of the post.
Crewing levels at the moment are in a desperate state, with many roster changes to try and keep the operation running.....and more new aeroplanes still arriving!
PL.
I would also agree with the sentiments at the end of the post.
Crewing levels at the moment are in a desperate state, with many roster changes to try and keep the operation running.....and more new aeroplanes still arriving!
PL.
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If there is a positive for some people, I was told in another thread that 787 pilots will be largely sourced from the A320 fleet (after the initial cadre of 777 pilots who join that fleet for the first 3-4 birds). 
So, from flying exhausting regional routes to perhaps more civilised longhaul on the 787. Then again, the 787s could be deployed on regional routes and you get the same schedule... 
Are the other fleets worked as hard as the A320 fleet? I read that the 777 flying is exhausting and "hard work" as well. What about the A330 fleet? Will you just be exhausted and pi$$ed off regardless of fleet at "the Goat?"
So, from flying exhausting regional routes to perhaps more civilised longhaul on the 787. Then again, the 787s could be deployed on regional routes and you get the same schedule... Are the other fleets worked as hard as the A320 fleet? I read that the 777 flying is exhausting and "hard work" as well. What about the A330 fleet? Will you just be exhausted and pi$$ed off regardless of fleet at "the Goat?"
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Someone asked if this is common. Yes, days 1-8 as depicted in my roster is a common block. You will do a week like this almost every month. You will do the legal seven days, often followed by a single day off, then another five day block, which could be more of the same, or better.
Count von A, on paper we get 6 weeks leave/yr, but all A320 pilots had one week canceled for this leave period (Oct-Mar). The B777 pilots had two weeks canceled.
Pay is based on block hours as mentioned, so the sitting around for three hours 2-5am somewhere in the Gulf is free of charge.
No foreplay in this roster, although admittedly three European layovers is unusual. Replace Europe with Africa or South Asia, the impact on your health will be the same.
I have three years as Captain with QR on A320, hoping for a fleet change. Will work for sleep.
Count von A, on paper we get 6 weeks leave/yr, but all A320 pilots had one week canceled for this leave period (Oct-Mar). The B777 pilots had two weeks canceled.
Pay is based on block hours as mentioned, so the sitting around for three hours 2-5am somewhere in the Gulf is free of charge.
No foreplay in this roster, although admittedly three European layovers is unusual. Replace Europe with Africa or South Asia, the impact on your health will be the same.
I have three years as Captain with QR on A320, hoping for a fleet change. Will work for sleep.
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a 320 Capt getting a fleet trans.........??? and pigs might fly
Good luck anyway.
Current rumour: There will not be any 320 pilots moved to the 787, when they begin arriving, due to the acute shortage of crew on the fleet.
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Good luck anyway.
Current rumour: There will not be any 320 pilots moved to the 787, when they begin arriving, due to the acute shortage of crew on the fleet.
PL
tdk90: yes, experienced A320 FO got A330, experienced B737NG FO got B777.
As a general rule nowadays people with wide body experience are likely to get onto wide body fleets, all others will go A320 unless very lucky.
Fleet transfers are slower than upgrades, I'm aware of people serving close to 5 years on A320 without fleet transfer ahead (and still alive!).
For B787 no experience exists what they might do, I reckon it will me a mix of external crews with suitable experience (B737NG or wide body) and internal transfers. But transfer from A320 and B777 will be limited as crews are really needed there. Maybe some A330 chaps as their flying reduces.
As a general rule nowadays people with wide body experience are likely to get onto wide body fleets, all others will go A320 unless very lucky.
Fleet transfers are slower than upgrades, I'm aware of people serving close to 5 years on A320 without fleet transfer ahead (and still alive!).
For B787 no experience exists what they might do, I reckon it will me a mix of external crews with suitable experience (B737NG or wide body) and internal transfers. But transfer from A320 and B777 will be limited as crews are really needed there. Maybe some A330 chaps as their flying reduces.
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In QR you are offered a fleet transfert after 3 years, and this has been true for all my friends working there. Now they also got offered left seat upgrade, so this might be the reason why some guys stay longer on the 320.
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OMG , that is horrendous , the telling part is the addendum saying that it is all legal . Safety is not considered anymore by most airlines . I thought my roster in Muscat was bad , and which caused me to leave as it was obviously only going to get worse due shortage of crew , but this one is unbelievable . When someone piles one in , there will be much nodding and shaking of heads while spouting the inevitable ' But it is legal Captain '.
It's time the Doctors got involved .
It's time the Doctors got involved .
