EK hiring DEC's for 2012.
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My humble apologies for helping increase the thread creep. I don't work there so I should just read and shut up. But I couldn't help myself on this one. I am sure 90%+ Emirates pilots are great guys to work with, as well as those from all 90 countries.
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I don't get the logic. If they are short of pilots, they shouldn't change the DEP policy, but providing commuting contract. Within an instance, they would get say 200% more applications, be it "first", "second" or "third" tier (whatever you mean with that). EK could hand pick. They would get the best and the brightest. But nobody wants to live in that place.
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You are correct but if you knew the culture in the Arab world and Dubai in particular, they can't really seem to understand why they're having such a hard time recruiting.... it doesn't sink in much that all they'd need to do is base overseas somewhere.
However, it's not as easy as that. First, and it actually makes a bit of sense, is that both the airline and government of Dubai want you to s
Secondly, and I'm not 100% sure of this but I believe if they base in different countries, the labor laws of that country "could" apply and Emirates would lose much of their control over it's employee group and the possibility of unions comes up and ultimately, Emirates could lose a great advantage they have not having unions as they are illegal in the UAE.
My two dirhams worth.
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You are correct but if you knew the culture in the Arab world and Dubai in particular, they can't really seem to understand why they're having such a hard time recruiting.... it doesn't sink in much that all they'd need to do is base overseas somewhere.
However, it's not as easy as that. First, and it actually makes a bit of sense, is that both the airline and government of Dubai want you to s
Secondly, and I'm not 100% sure of this but I believe if they base in different countries, the labor laws of that country "could" apply and Emirates would lose much of their control over it's employee group and the possibility of unions comes up and ultimately, Emirates could lose a great advantage they have not having unions as they are illegal in the UAE.
My two dirhams worth.
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In that case they wouldn't compensate for the tax of that country. Plus housing
Are you willing to do the same job for 40+20% less? Soon you will be fed up and leave.
Attrition rate is for some reason always more on commuting contracts.
So what's the point?
More money and then more days off will bring people anywhere in the world
Are you willing to do the same job for 40+20% less? Soon you will be fed up and leave.
Attrition rate is for some reason always more on commuting contracts.
So what's the point?
More money and then more days off will bring people anywhere in the world
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What the he... - wouldn't you accept the same job without housing (but living in your own house in your home country instead? School fees - no need, since your children are learning in your home country in your mother tongue. Taxes? I gladly pay my taxes if I can live in the security of my land I am born.
I for sure wouldn't leave a job, living at home and doing 2-3 weeks for an airline in a foreign country. That's the best quality of life.
Cpt Lt, I know that the locals think like that, but maybe they have to rethink? After all, the management is western, and those who have attributed to the succes are all but locals. So the question is easy: Eighter you can fill those 200 ordered wide bodies with crews or you don't...
I for sure wouldn't leave a job, living at home and doing 2-3 weeks for an airline in a foreign country. That's the best quality of life.
Cpt Lt, I know that the locals think like that, but maybe they have to rethink? After all, the management is western, and those who have attributed to the succes are all but locals. So the question is easy: Eighter you can fill those 200 ordered wide bodies with crews or you don't...
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I agree with kapitanleutnant.
Besides being slightly complicated, although doable, the major hurdle is the legal aspect of it all.
With respect to DEC recruitment, I think it's just a matter of time.
Besides being slightly complicated, although doable, the major hurdle is the legal aspect of it all.
With respect to DEC recruitment, I think it's just a matter of time.
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I agree, but that is the case only if you are from the Country and City where the base is. Otherwise you have to move and in case of Europe different language becomes the issue. Dunno which country will allow foreign airline hub that big.
Looking at the "commuting airlines" they usually have up to 35% workforce expats commuting and the rest are local pilots. Emirates case is opposite.
Consecutive days off and jumpseat, might sweeten the deal
Looking at the "commuting airlines" they usually have up to 35% workforce expats commuting and the rest are local pilots. Emirates case is opposite.
Consecutive days off and jumpseat, might sweeten the deal
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Just talked with a pilot friend who also works in recruitment. No talk of DEC's. They are all too aware of how badly that failed the last time.
50 777-300ER orders have nothing to do with DEC's, as Boeing can't deliver them any faster.
50 777-300ER orders have nothing to do with DEC's, as Boeing can't deliver them any faster.
From direct experience, the Cathay Pacific attempt to 'on-shore' crew, due to labour law and taxation requirements in the various jurisdictions, has been totally arsed up.
Crew are now liable for retrospective, double taxation and the situation is a total shambles. After the CX mill owners' experience with crew bases, I can't see any middle east slave traders following suit in a hurry.
They'll just have to pay good money for quality crew, like our lot used to.
Crew are now liable for retrospective, double taxation and the situation is a total shambles. After the CX mill owners' experience with crew bases, I can't see any middle east slave traders following suit in a hurry.
They'll just have to pay good money for quality crew, like our lot used to.
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Just talked with a pilot friend who also works in recruitment. No talk of DEC's. They are all too aware of how badly that failed the last time.
50 777-300ER orders have nothing to do with DEC's, as Boeing can't deliver them any faster
50 777-300ER orders have nothing to do with DEC's, as Boeing can't deliver them any faster
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Originally Posted by SI
It won't matter if past DEC policies resulted in serious damage to recruiting or even some isolated instances of lunatics being hired ahead of qualified F/O's. You gotta put bums in the seats, even if it disenfranchises a good portion of the F/O's already working at the company. DEC's have been used and will be used to mitigate poor planning and management if it is deemed to be an acceptable policy by the office types. Don't for a second think that YOUR career aspirations or even the beliefs of recruitment pilots will be taken into account. It's all about $.
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Not saying I disagree with you old chap, but I'm sure getting tired of 95 hours each and every month and the more "bums" in the left seat, the fatigue may subside some. At this point, I'm looking forward to as many upgrades as possible and I'm one who thinks DEC's are inevitable again. I've heard come March, EK won't have enough of it's own FO's to upgrade due to current requirements. Apparently JA when to AAR to try to get it reduced some a few weeks back....
I think we all agree this 95 hours is not a sustainable deed.... but I've been hearing that for a year now and we're still doing it.
Kap
Not saying I disagree with you old chap, but I'm sure getting tired of 95 hours each and every month and the more "bums" in the left seat, the fatigue may subside some. At this point, I'm looking forward to as many upgrades as possible and I'm one who thinks DEC's are inevitable again. I've heard come March, EK won't have enough of it's own FO's to upgrade due to current requirements. Apparently JA when to AAR to try to get it reduced some a few weeks back....
I think we all agree this 95 hours is not a sustainable deed.... but I've been hearing that for a year now and we're still doing it.
Kap