EK hiring DEC's for 2012.
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EK hiring DEC's for 2012.
Heard at a watering hole that EK plans to aggressively start re connecting with prospective DEC's (777's and 380's ) so as to set the tone for a first/second quarter 2012 DEC hiring spree. Heard numbers needed would be in the vicinity of 60 DEC's for the 777's and close to 45 for the 380's.
I can't even begin to imagine the turmoil that would ensue within the EK ranks if this was even half true.
But this source rarely is far from the truth. So I reckon its gonna be a wait and watch game.
And boy, will it be a game changer!
I can't even begin to imagine the turmoil that would ensue within the EK ranks if this was even half true.
But this source rarely is far from the truth. So I reckon its gonna be a wait and watch game.
And boy, will it be a game changer!
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Whilst many may agree with your sentiments..........FFS, this topic has been done to death, and, no, it won't be a game changer in the way that you perceive.
The reality is that EK will continue regardless of whether they hire DEC's or not. The management don't care whether the pilots are happy or not with the DEC issue or any other issue for that matter. As long as the a/c go from A to B and back to A, that's all that matters to them.
Boatloads of FO's will not leave thereby crippling the system, and even if they did they would merely offer a sweetner to keep sufficient numbers in Dubai.
Everybody needs to spare themselves the angst that this issue brings up every time because it will make no difference to the final decision that the mis-management make.
The reality is that EK will continue regardless of whether they hire DEC's or not. The management don't care whether the pilots are happy or not with the DEC issue or any other issue for that matter. As long as the a/c go from A to B and back to A, that's all that matters to them.
Boatloads of FO's will not leave thereby crippling the system, and even if they did they would merely offer a sweetner to keep sufficient numbers in Dubai.
Everybody needs to spare themselves the angst that this issue brings up every time because it will make no difference to the final decision that the mis-management make.
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I guess they have numbers from applications over the years,littlejet. And they DO have a whole databank of old applications(and some newer ones!).
That's my view.
That's my view.
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If they would I'm not surprised. Shutting out half of the pilot population when you are in great need of them might not work in the long run.
But, as I've said before, when you look at their requirements they won't get many (qualified) applicants.
But, as I've said before, when you look at their requirements they won't get many (qualified) applicants.
It may well be true.
The number of FOs meeting the current upgrade requirements is dwindling.
the SENSIBLE thing to do would be to revise the bloody silly hours requirements for upgrade, but that would mean admitting they weren't necessary in the first place.
And we couldn't have that...
The number of FOs meeting the current upgrade requirements is dwindling.
the SENSIBLE thing to do would be to revise the bloody silly hours requirements for upgrade, but that would mean admitting they weren't necessary in the first place.
And we couldn't have that...
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ruserious,
On paper, yes, the training requirement drops, but as the company found out the last time, the extra training required to bring many of the DEC's up to standard wiped out much of the training time saved
On paper, yes, the training requirement drops, but as the company found out the last time, the extra training required to bring many of the DEC's up to standard wiped out much of the training time saved
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Fart Master
With reference to your statement I think the 'blame' (if one could call it so) lies with recruitment for not vetting properly during the selection process.
Having said that, I acknowledge that a regional pilot applying for a DEC position might find it harder than another with international experience. However it's up to the individual to hit the books and make an effort. I am a TRI (not with EK by the way) and can notice a huge difference in attitude nowadays compared to a few years back. Nowadays many new joiners, both cadets and experienced pilots, are not ready to put some effort and at times I get the feeling that they want, or expect you, to spoon them through the transition or upgrade
With reference to your statement I think the 'blame' (if one could call it so) lies with recruitment for not vetting properly during the selection process.
Having said that, I acknowledge that a regional pilot applying for a DEC position might find it harder than another with international experience. However it's up to the individual to hit the books and make an effort. I am a TRI (not with EK by the way) and can notice a huge difference in attitude nowadays compared to a few years back. Nowadays many new joiners, both cadets and experienced pilots, are not ready to put some effort and at times I get the feeling that they want, or expect you, to spoon them through the transition or upgrade
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F/M is absolutely right. Pilots will not pack up and leave in masses. Just look at the productivity pay. I hardly hear a word on this subject. We just accept it and carry on.
TC and the boys are either shaking their heads in disbelief or laughing their a@@ off at all of us!
TC and the boys are either shaking their heads in disbelief or laughing their a@@ off at all of us!
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Training Costs?
Training requirements drops?
Two friends of mine joined Emirates (within a year of each other). One rated on the A330 and the other on A320. Both had to do a full type rating when they joined Emirates. I honestly don't understand why as the A320 guy could just undergo a 5 day or so CCQ course and the other just ground training and sim check ride.
Two friends of mine joined Emirates (within a year of each other). One rated on the A330 and the other on A320. Both had to do a full type rating when they joined Emirates. I honestly don't understand why as the A320 guy could just undergo a 5 day or so CCQ course and the other just ground training and sim check ride.
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Because there is a VERY "Emirates" way of doing things. The aircraft type is the easy part. The course is still challenging for guys with previous experience on type.
Because there is a VERY "Emirates" way of doing things. The aircraft type is the easy part. The course is still challenging for guys with previous experience on type.
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Well A380 Jok, I hate to say it, but I believe that on this occasion, your buddy is way off the truth!
We aren't even confident in taking (apart from 1 type rated guy) F/O's directly on to the A380, so what makes him think that the powers that be would entrust the 'vagina' to 45 quality unknown DEC's? Surely IF DEC's were on the cards, they would go onto the minibus first?..... Doesn't really stack up does it?
So that little nugget alone washes away any credibility the original rumour may have had!
Not only that, but in order to ramp up recruitment from suitably qualified DEC's for 2 months time, wouldn't we be advertising like crazy by now, or would we keep it a secret again just like the same rumour at the same time last year (and the year before) would have us believe??
Never say never to DEC's, but this rumour is a non starter I'm afraid.
We aren't even confident in taking (apart from 1 type rated guy) F/O's directly on to the A380, so what makes him think that the powers that be would entrust the 'vagina' to 45 quality unknown DEC's? Surely IF DEC's were on the cards, they would go onto the minibus first?..... Doesn't really stack up does it?
So that little nugget alone washes away any credibility the original rumour may have had!
Not only that, but in order to ramp up recruitment from suitably qualified DEC's for 2 months time, wouldn't we be advertising like crazy by now, or would we keep it a secret again just like the same rumour at the same time last year (and the year before) would have us believe??
Never say never to DEC's, but this rumour is a non starter I'm afraid.
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Lots of good applicants still coming in .Business as usual
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Shhhh. . . . that month in Toulouse is like a paid vacation for those guys.
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Giving my dues to all who have contributed (both positively and then the likes of schnowzer alike) all I am able to say at present is that this is very very close to the truth!
Like I said the planned interview dates may be the first/second quarter of 2012. Gives them plenty of time to advertise and prepare.
Snoozer, FYI i am NOT with SIA. Whatever gave you that impression. And IF I was in fact with SIA, why on god's green earth would I leave the safety,comfort and lifestyle of singapore for dubai. AND get a paycut in the process!
No offence meant for all the wannabe's but this is a no brainer.
I was simply stating something I felt Ppruners might be interested in. Could be wrong there too. But the chances are very low.
No interest whatsoever in the development. Just something which came up and I decided to share. For god's sake don't split hair with everything you hear and then twist it to suit your thinking. Please..
Grow up and pick up info from every orifice you can.
Cause you will need it.
Like I said the planned interview dates may be the first/second quarter of 2012. Gives them plenty of time to advertise and prepare.
Snoozer, FYI i am NOT with SIA. Whatever gave you that impression. And IF I was in fact with SIA, why on god's green earth would I leave the safety,comfort and lifestyle of singapore for dubai. AND get a paycut in the process!
No offence meant for all the wannabe's but this is a no brainer.
I was simply stating something I felt Ppruners might be interested in. Could be wrong there too. But the chances are very low.
No interest whatsoever in the development. Just something which came up and I decided to share. For god's sake don't split hair with everything you hear and then twist it to suit your thinking. Please..
Grow up and pick up info from every orifice you can.
Cause you will need it.
