Reasons not to apply for emirates airlines
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If Emirates is such a great airline than why haven't we received a significant pay raise in years?
If it is such a great airline why do they constantly lower their pilot recruiting requirements?
Why have 14 pilots left this month and over 100 pilots year to date have left for greener pastures?
If it is such a great airline why do they constantly lower their pilot recruiting requirements?
Why have 14 pilots left this month and over 100 pilots year to date have left for greener pastures?
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The 100 that you refer to is including even those that are retiring. Greener pastures - read rice fields for some.
There is always an increase number leaving post bonus .
100 to date might total 200 for the year , personally my guess will be 150 -175. 3.37% - 5% . Bean counters deal with numbers and won't get excited about those.
Sky is not falling as some would like to believe
There is always an increase number leaving post bonus .
100 to date might total 200 for the year , personally my guess will be 150 -175. 3.37% - 5% . Bean counters deal with numbers and won't get excited about those.
Sky is not falling as some would like to believe
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To me it's simple fatbus. Leave not apportioned to what it was five or more years ago. Flying 90+ hours Month after month, year after year. Massive CC resigning before their contract expires. And now a five year bond for new joiners. And this all from an airline making record profits and also oil (fuel) at record low $$s. Either those in charge are either psychopaths or the wheels indeed falling off and doing the above to stem the tide of a pilot shortage. Your choice what to believe, fatbus.
Fatty, believe what you want, annualised recently the attrition rate was close to 11%, its normalised now a bit north of 6% no ifs, buts etc, the numbers are out there.
Combine this with the lack of quality candidates, note the continued reduction in entry requirements and the fact that 90+ hours per month non factored, no ULR and no leave means one thing.
Please also be aware that FLT ops are making weekly visits to the authority pleading for 1000 hrs with factoring, only to be told sorry, and it IS a weekly visit at the moment.
Yes, all is good, no one is losing any sleep
Combine this with the lack of quality candidates, note the continued reduction in entry requirements and the fact that 90+ hours per month non factored, no ULR and no leave means one thing.
Please also be aware that FLT ops are making weekly visits to the authority pleading for 1000 hrs with factoring, only to be told sorry, and it IS a weekly visit at the moment.
Yes, all is good, no one is losing any sleep
Typhoon pilot is a gent. He was a great fella to work with.
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Not sure which thread this should be on since they all seem to get mixed up, but here goes.
Was talking to my neighbor a few days ago, he works for Ek in finance, been at Ek for about 4 years.
He said that EK is losing money and he can not figure it out.
He said that the yields are why down, we started talking about PRASM's, RASM's and CASM's and all the usual stuff, price of oil, economies of the world, competition from other carriers.
I then asked him what the average aircraft utilization was doing, had it gone up, stayed steady or gone down, and you know what he said, "they do not tell me that", I could not believe it.
Seems that the only answer is that the aircraft utilization is down from lack of crew, I don't know what it was before this whole mess started, but I am guessing that EK had one of the highest in the world, now reduce that by just 1 hour per day and costs go thru the roof.
They have not been able to add the required number of pilots to the number of aircraft received, but we all know that.
It is just simple math that they hide from their own people, let's see what they do next.
Was talking to my neighbor a few days ago, he works for Ek in finance, been at Ek for about 4 years.
He said that EK is losing money and he can not figure it out.
He said that the yields are why down, we started talking about PRASM's, RASM's and CASM's and all the usual stuff, price of oil, economies of the world, competition from other carriers.
I then asked him what the average aircraft utilization was doing, had it gone up, stayed steady or gone down, and you know what he said, "they do not tell me that", I could not believe it.
Seems that the only answer is that the aircraft utilization is down from lack of crew, I don't know what it was before this whole mess started, but I am guessing that EK had one of the highest in the world, now reduce that by just 1 hour per day and costs go thru the roof.
They have not been able to add the required number of pilots to the number of aircraft received, but we all know that.
It is just simple math that they hide from their own people, let's see what they do next.
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There is an obvious question.
If Emirates is so bad then why are you staying?
There are plenty of jobs out there for experienced guys.
Is it perhaps for the same reason that so many still want to join?
i.e. Emirates may not be all it was but its better than elsewhere.
It is asinine to mock those trying to join whilst at the same time you stay.
If Emirates is so bad then why are you staying?
There are plenty of jobs out there for experienced guys.
Is it perhaps for the same reason that so many still want to join?
i.e. Emirates may not be all it was but its better than elsewhere.
It is asinine to mock those trying to join whilst at the same time you stay.
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Anyway back to the thread:
If you're an F/O the options are thin and Emirates does appear to be a good choice.
If you're an experienced Captain the world is your Oyster and there is no reason to go to a company like Emirates and nor is there any reason to stay at Emirates.
In my opinion, young fit Captains should be looking at China because pay is excellent and rising. Conditions are generally selectable in choice of contracts. Example of rising pay is ACC who have gone from a flat $16k per month a couple of years ago to a flat $23k now. You can go home for a week each month as well.
If you're an F/O the options are thin and Emirates does appear to be a good choice.
If you're an experienced Captain the world is your Oyster and there is no reason to go to a company like Emirates and nor is there any reason to stay at Emirates.
In my opinion, young fit Captains should be looking at China because pay is excellent and rising. Conditions are generally selectable in choice of contracts. Example of rising pay is ACC who have gone from a flat $16k per month a couple of years ago to a flat $23k now. You can go home for a week each month as well.
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The downside is the medical but if you're under 50 and fit it should not present a problem. Normally you don't fly more than 80 block per month, and that is all double crew.
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White Knight , for someone who is often very critical of others , the comment from another thread on VAT ,
is one of the most uneducated , idiotic statements I have read anywhere in a long time . Much less from a EK professional commander , who has international wide body experience with intimate knowledge and mastery of EK's uniquely challenging network .
Maybe you should stop looking down from your high cockpit at everyone else .
Just saying ..
nsiotto. I don't have any electoral rights here so why should I pay any form of tax here in Dubai?
Maybe you should stop looking down from your high cockpit at everyone else .
Just saying ..
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I spent almost 12 years in the sandpit. Can I recommend it? I don't know. When I came here someone told me you will have to carry 2 buckets, one full of money, the other one full of shyte. It seems that the brown bucket gets slightly fuller and maybe it is time to go.
Nice new shiny jets, great destinations and layovers, ok salary but a sad place to live your life. Hot, dusty, poor laborers toiling in the sun, toxic air, polluted sea, horrific traffic and driving, stupidity and ignorance. Be prepared to spend a lot of time with superficial expat-friends. Money, cars, expensive and costly lifestyle, especially if the wives leave their husbands for several months during the summer.
There really must be greener pastures.
Nice new shiny jets, great destinations and layovers, ok salary but a sad place to live your life. Hot, dusty, poor laborers toiling in the sun, toxic air, polluted sea, horrific traffic and driving, stupidity and ignorance. Be prepared to spend a lot of time with superficial expat-friends. Money, cars, expensive and costly lifestyle, especially if the wives leave their husbands for several months during the summer.
There really must be greener pastures.
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Stone_cold old fellah... It was a simple question! We were 'sold' the tax-free lifestyle... I really cannot see how that is looking down at anyone from my high and mighty cockpit!
Is your other name Dragana?
Is your other name Dragana?
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I think White Knight is in love with me. 
Why else he would be so rude to mention my real name on the forum where everyone else is anonymous? Never underestimate my abilities to find out your real name, WK.
Why else he would be so rude to mention my real name on the forum where everyone else is anonymous? Never underestimate my abilities to find out your real name, WK.
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