Reasons not to apply for emirates airlines

[Nikita81]

Hahah! You are the king, Outlaw.

[Iznogood]

Unfortunately not everyone comes from The Western World. Somewhere in this earth some guys may experience harder conditions than in EK so if they wanna join EK would you blame them for that?

[cheaptickets]

Nikita,

I really wish some of the machos commenting here had the guts to speak up like you do!

Thanks

[Nikita81]

As I understood Outlaw, he is not blaming anyone. He's just criticizing those who still expect more, even after reading about conditions in EK. You are talking about completely different issue, Iznogood.


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[Iznogood]

Thank you lawyer, All clear!

[littlejet]

I said it before and I ll say it again. Calling someone stupid for their decision which you do not like is unprofessional and makes information on this forum irrelevant. You made a decision years ago to join EK. How would you feel being called stupid then?

Say the guy is single 26 and on atr72 having an opportunity to transfer to a jet, upgrade by 35 and spend 10 years among 20k+ cabin crew his age and move on to wherever he wants with a 10 years tax free cash, is he stupid? Not for me.

Ms. Nikita, lawyer/pilot, you went and made your case public when someone made you unemployed? Did anyone from work called you stupid?

[ExDubai]

If I would be in the mid 20s and single, the 3 large ME carriers would def. an serious option to consider. Having a wife and children, the picture looks different.

[Fire Ball XL5]

And those with Blinders on... continue to apply.... GFL

[ExDubai]

Fire Ball in the mid/end 20s the picture looks different then with 40. in the other hand, for certain colleagues the deal with EK is still way better then what they get in their home countries. Yepp people will continue to apply, the big question is do they get enough people which fit into their mould. I doubt it...

[Fire Ball XL5]

ExDXB.... Time will tell. Thankfully... I'll be long gone, leaving my seniority number for some other chap to deal with!

[Nikita81]

Ms. Nikita, lawyer/pilot, you went and made your case public when someone made you unemployed? Did anyone from work called you stupid?

Nobody had to. I called myself stupid for rushing into the situation without exploring it.There was not much about ground staff working conditions on the internet, though. Some of my passengers called me stupid, but they were crazy so they don't count.

But let me tell you one thing: I would rather like EK managers to call me stupid (I would resign on spot) than torture me with suspension, embarrassingly low salary, taking away my dignity and personal value and treating me like stupid while pretending to manage a modern company with western (and, therefore, civilized?) management and persuading me that there is something wrong with me and that I should be grateful for the opportunity to work for them.

Lighten up, guys.

[The Outlaw]

Littlejet,

Wow...we ARE sensitive aren't we?

Would you feel smart or stupid if you resigned your job to come here only to be told that "whoops, we made an error and actually don't want you now" then be faced with not being able to get your old job back? OK, for you I'll call it a smart decision then...yep...REAL SMART!

You have the rose colored glasses firmly in place it seems.

So tell me, do you actually work here or you on the outside hoping to get in to fly those big jets 120 hours per month (its coming) and have your way with 20K+ cabin crew? Don't worry about longevity or spending the money you made because your health won't last to 60 here.

So, to quote you, "say" eventually one or more of those 20K+ cabin crew will present you (or your wife) with a baby or the video of making same to be presented to wife or the police, then the money is irrelevant because either the wife or your "special friend" gets it all or you find yourself married to a girl (and her family) from a country you can't pronounce. Don't think it doesn't happen, I know 2 personally.

When I came here years ago, I was called "crazy" for leaving the job I had. At the time I was a little insulted by the statement but still thought I had made a good choice. Then about 4 years in I realized the many things I never thought about and what I truly gave up at home. I have a wife and kids so my decision affected them as well although there are some pro's here for kids, there are a lot of con's as well. Lastly, if you actually think having left seat EK, EY etc. on your CV means that you can saunter into any job then think again. If anything it actually works against you in some cases especially the 380.

Today I call myself stupid for the decision I made then. I only wish I had considered more of what was written here and listened to those who were actually in "the know".

Life is not all about 20K+ cabin crew and jets.

[SOPS]

Like my next door neighbour in Dubai, who left 1 week before me. He lasted 3 years and 3 months. When he resigned they even contacted him and gave him a date to commence his upgrade.

He said to me, " I don't care, I just wished I had listened before I joined. Everything I was told is true."

He came from Ryanair, he went back to Ryanair.

[Wizofoz]

SOPS,

If you hadn't been in a position to retire, where would YOU have gone?

[Neptune Spear]

Every single pilot at Emirates is in a position to leave or retire. When you factor what this airline is doing to your health and long term sanity you have to seriously consider leaving, now. You owe it to yourself and your family.

[ExDubai]

@Neptune It isn't always that easy. Some stick to their bond, others bought property, etc. Leaving DXB isn't that easy like for instance moving from central Europe to another country. I still remember the nightmare dealing with the different banks to get those stupid clearance letters. And you need those stupid letters for a lot of things. Because it might be that you are coming back to DXB with your new airline. Making up your mind and decide to leave is nothing you do in a hurry.

[Wizofoz]

Plus it should be noted that Neptune stuck around until he got a gig with a US major- something even a lot of Americans are not getting.

Yes Neptune, all of us could probably get jobs as instructor at an Aeroclub- YOU could have left years ago to work for a US regional.

But you didn't, did you.

[Outatowner]

Wiz, whatever NS went to happened because he made it happen. Sorry but you are a known koolaid drinker. Instead of propping up a failing, corrupt, despicable corporate system why not accept that you could also leave any time you like. It may mean a pay cut and less big cars, beach clubs, brunches and boozy nights out or whatever your thing is but that's life in the real world. This is not the real world but people get themselves hooked on it. Find the next job, leave and adjust back to the real world conditions.

[Neptune Spear]

Wiz if you want a job as a flight instructor go ahead and get it but why stay at a company that is dong serious long term damage to your health and family?
When I noticed what EK was doing to me I did something about it and you are blaming or ridiculing me for that!
There are so many jobs out there. U.S. Majors are hiring 100 pilots a month (I know you need a Green Card) Turkish, China, Korean, Saudis, Japan and many other jobs are out there and all of those pilot jobs fly a lot less hours than Emirates even though some pay less.
I'm leaving with some time left on my Bond but I don't care. I intend to fight it but you know how these people operate. So yes Ex Dxb it might be harder for some to leave but those are just minor hurdles that some pilots use as excuses to justify them staying all the while their health goes down the toilet and their wife files for divorce.
Is it worth it? As the resignations pile up the answer is becoming effident. Who is staying and why?

[Dookie on Drums]

In my case I would say do not apply but my situation is different from anyone else's. It is up to one's circumstances at the end of the day.

I unfortunately fell for the trap the recruitment team laid down for me promising me this, that and the other 2 years ago.

I had just over 8500hrs TT with 6,500hrs being on Boeing narrow and widebody aircraft at the time I was interviewed. During the selection process I felt great being buttered up by HR at every turn and of course I was very happy to be given a start date by EK.

As soon as I landed in Dubai it fell to pieces. Again, before I continue, this was MY experience.

No transport, waiting over an hour after a 15hr flight in the wee morning hours for some transport to my accommodation...."We appreciate you joining EK so we will fast track your allotted accommodation....you will be in a hotel for a maximum of 2 weeks!! True is our word!!"

Bullcrap. As soon as I arrived they had me booked in for at least 8 weeks. Not a problem for some but a problem for my circumstances and me. Again, this is my experience.

I came from a very decent and respected airline previously with a very good Check and Training background. I only left for EK for adventure and career progression. Things were evidently a mess from the word go.

On the first day: Who are you? Why are you here? Once that passed, I was sitting amongst other new recruits from around the globe. It became clear that some were VERY grateful to be sitting at the round table whereas I was happy but also mindful of my own attributes. I was the most experienced (arguably) there but I have also been very humble in life.

I happened to run into a chap from Brazil that day. “I was supposed to be on the B777 but after 3 days they changed me to the A330” You’ve been warned.

Then again, there was a guy on my course with only Airbus experience (5000hrs) and he was put on the B777! He never even saw the inside of a Boeing before!

The next few days were busy with the admin side of things…no one was really expecting us here and there despite our bookings from our schedule. We were excited if they were expecting us!

Unfortunately, nothing was prepared for my arrival. My details didn’t match the IT department, security,transport etc.

Furthermore, the Flight Crew Licensing division (or whatever they are called now) when they came to verify our Logbooks etc treated us with the utmost contempt. I am in my late 30’s and the eldest of our group and did not appreciate that one bit at all.

Funnily enough, the next day I was in HR completing some paperwork where I was pulled aside and asked my opinion of the previous day. I quickly noticed she had been sitting in the background in the previous day.

Not one to mix my words I told her what I thought about my treatment thus far especially from the day before.

She actually agreed with me while observing this behaviour.

Moving on,

Training begins…threats begin.

I honestly can’t remember if the guy was the Deputy CP at the time or whatever title he gets himself off of but to go around a table and query the hours of everyone and then with hand on heart then say he has triple the hours of me and how exceptional a pilot he was, it was sickening. I can go on but I won’t.

The training was ****e. I am sure it’s not the case in general but for me it was. Instructors under training with TRE’s half asleep not giving a frig about anything because they were retiring soon. I even had to pull the manual out to verify I was correct in arming the hydraulic pumps once given clearance to do so! Arguments between the trainee and TRE and us with regards to Memory Items! Some TRE's even told me with my experience I am better off going to Qatar. These are TRE’s telling me this whilst supposedly training me for EK!

ALL and I mean ALL questions were freely available to pass the exams. No study required.

Moving on….my check to line flight was a joke. Smooth sailing until my return to Dubai where my Capt intervenes as I am PF, takes over and makes a complete balls up of the approach resulting in a GA. I’ve been around long enough to know I didn’t need to be relegated of my control of the aircraft.

Flawless until then. I am then failed. Then called into the office on my day off for a please explain.

I actually do the polite thing and come in at my expense to attend this unusual tea and bikkies. Needless to say, I booked myself out of there and handed in my resignation. I am not big headed but I know what's right and wrong as I have been around the world.

I was gobsmacked at the obvious pitfalls and downfalls there.

Upon returning to my country I was then told that EK had slandered my character.

That was fine as my new employers ignored it but it told me what type of company EK were.

I am now happy being back home working for less money, but also having a lifestyle with my wife and children and flying 400hrs a year.
So, be wary. This again was MY experience so yours may be much better. Tread with caution and question everything that is said.

In fact, I am already approaching the media, publishers etc for a best seller. They have no control over me despite what their little minds might think.