Reasons not to apply for emirates airlines
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FATBUS,
Correct, HH sits on the board and does not run the GCAA. This was at the demand of the ICAO. In practice HH does always have the last word.
I know, I was the reason why EK fired two members of the senior management after I informed HH and the GCAA of what was going on in EK.
The reality is that I never got any justice myself. The GCAA, read HH will always protect EK.
The day an EK capt cancels a flight bcs of duty time limits he will be fired and it will be HH that will cover for EK.
Correct, HH sits on the board and does not run the GCAA. This was at the demand of the ICAO. In practice HH does always have the last word.
I know, I was the reason why EK fired two members of the senior management after I informed HH and the GCAA of what was going on in EK.
The reality is that I never got any justice myself. The GCAA, read HH will always protect EK.
The day an EK capt cancels a flight bcs of duty time limits he will be fired and it will be HH that will cover for EK.
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pitchy,
thats total bull, I know a few captains (including myself) who didnt go into discretion and never got a call.
seriously if you spread that **** its not good for any of us.
thats total bull, I know a few captains (including myself) who didnt go into discretion and never got a call.
seriously if you spread that **** its not good for any of us.
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Emirates is far from the best in the industry for pilots. It is also far from the worse but keep in mind how much we work and how we are treated. One might think long and hard about coming to the sand to work for Arabs.
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Sonny H,
I'm sure there are many very qualified F\O's at Emirates who would like to debate you on the "DEC 777" issue ....
Do you actually get several FREE flights every year? This must be a drastic change to past policies. I believe you get ONE free trip once per year, to your nominated home country. Am I wrong here?
Your claim to free schooling... how so? I didn't know anyone who did not have to supplement significantly out of their own income to pay for their children's education.
And the comments here about medical coverage. I totally agree with the fact that the pilots were taken care of VERY WELL by the company. I saw this myself on a couple of occasions. However, the coverage extended to families is something entirely different. The premium paid out of your income is quite small, but as a result, so is the coverage. Is it not more important to be protected for serious health issues than the small ones? If a family member becomes seriously ill, your coverage will be finished very quickly. You will be faced with returning to your home country OR paying medical bills out of your own pocket OR both.
Yes, I agree that the free accommodation is, for the most part, a good deal. Unless you are one of the 'lucky' ones who get placed into a 'dump' as we did. It was years before we could move into other accommodations, at our own cost obviously.
... Like Skytrax said, paint the whole picture ..
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I'm sure there are many very qualified F\O's at Emirates who would like to debate you on the "DEC 777" issue ....
Do you actually get several FREE flights every year? This must be a drastic change to past policies. I believe you get ONE free trip once per year, to your nominated home country. Am I wrong here?
Your claim to free schooling... how so? I didn't know anyone who did not have to supplement significantly out of their own income to pay for their children's education.
And the comments here about medical coverage. I totally agree with the fact that the pilots were taken care of VERY WELL by the company. I saw this myself on a couple of occasions. However, the coverage extended to families is something entirely different. The premium paid out of your income is quite small, but as a result, so is the coverage. Is it not more important to be protected for serious health issues than the small ones? If a family member becomes seriously ill, your coverage will be finished very quickly. You will be faced with returning to your home country OR paying medical bills out of your own pocket OR both.
Yes, I agree that the free accommodation is, for the most part, a good deal. Unless you are one of the 'lucky' ones who get placed into a 'dump' as we did. It was years before we could move into other accommodations, at our own cost obviously.
... Like Skytrax said, paint the whole picture ..
Jinglie'd
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Why do you want to DEC Sonny? Do you tell your FOs that you fly with that you are willing to shaft them?
My schooling cost me 3 months salary to educate 2 kids.
Medical, I had better quality back home but they do try to look after you.
Don't even try to think that EK is the best airline in the world.
You can cite all the money statistics you want but at the end of the day it is how we are treated. Very badly
My schooling cost me 3 months salary to educate 2 kids.
Medical, I had better quality back home but they do try to look after you.
Don't even try to think that EK is the best airline in the world.
You can cite all the money statistics you want but at the end of the day it is how we are treated. Very badly
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I am in shock, Typhoon pilot not a single comment yet?
Lets se what typhoon pilot will have to say about this to defend his owners.
Lets se what typhoon pilot will have to say about this to defend his owners.
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whatya mean by looking for reasons?
Must be a great place to work if you need to look for reasons not to apply
And even then, you don't want to see these reasons, until one morning, you go to the bathroom, look into the mirror and you have to admit: I can't deceive myself any longer.
Well, I couldn't - consequently I quit.If you do not want to see all this, fair enough, it's your call
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GCAA Influence & Compromises
I am surprised that anybody in this forum questions the assertion that GCAA is subject to politics, conflicting relationships, influence and plain old-fashioned favouring of the home team. It happens at all levels - for a prime example, peruse the Prestige Jet thread which can be accessed at
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/45...d-threads.html
It is replete with numerous anecdotes from pilots, engineers and management personnel describing GCAA looking the other way or actively protecting the company in the face of serious violations which either GCAA should know if they are on the job and/or they refuse to do The Right Thing when a courageous employee comes forward with the evidence.
If it is going on over there to such extent, can you seriously believe that EK does not have even more wasta, with or without Sheikh Ahmed being at the top of both organisations? How many other countries would permit such a duality of the same powerful person participating at senior levels in both the regulator and regulatee, which provides an automatic egregious conflict of interest, from the get-go, especially when that person outranks every person in the land, save one?
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/45...d-threads.html
It is replete with numerous anecdotes from pilots, engineers and management personnel describing GCAA looking the other way or actively protecting the company in the face of serious violations which either GCAA should know if they are on the job and/or they refuse to do The Right Thing when a courageous employee comes forward with the evidence.
If it is going on over there to such extent, can you seriously believe that EK does not have even more wasta, with or without Sheikh Ahmed being at the top of both organisations? How many other countries would permit such a duality of the same powerful person participating at senior levels in both the regulator and regulatee, which provides an automatic egregious conflict of interest, from the get-go, especially when that person outranks every person in the land, save one?
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If Prestige Jet Sheikh Has GCAA Wasta...
Prestige Jet is owned by a relatively minor cousin in the Abu Dhabi royal family, Sheikh Hamed Ben Ahmed Al Hamed, yet by all accounts they have enough wasta and other influence to get GCAA to ignore serious violations, grant exceptions to regulations, and protect the company, for example, blocking unpaid aircraft owners from de-registering their aircraft and taking them out of Prestige Jet. You can read such stories in the Prestige Jet thread and also in http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/458678-clue-me.html .
Compared to EK, Prestige Jet is a puny playtoy for Sheikh Hamed Ben Ahmed Al Hamed, yet GCAA is made to look bad by its lack of enforcement of significant safety regulations there, especially in the face of whistleblowing employees bringing issues directly to GCAA's attention and then GCAA not responding. If Sheikh Hamed Ben Ahmed Al Hamed can flout judgments of the courts of Abu Dhabi and induce GCAA personnel who are supposed to exercise safety oversight to act as if it they are on the payroll of Prestige Jet, imagine what our Sheikh Ahmed can accomplish without saying or doing anything, just by fact of being in leadership positions at both EK and GCAA and everybody knowing how important EK is to the economy of Dubai.
Any aspiring GCAA employee would probably think twice before raising a serious issue with EK, regardless whether Sheikh Ahmed is on their Board or not. He need not say or do anything to make that happen.
Compared to EK, Prestige Jet is a puny playtoy for Sheikh Hamed Ben Ahmed Al Hamed, yet GCAA is made to look bad by its lack of enforcement of significant safety regulations there, especially in the face of whistleblowing employees bringing issues directly to GCAA's attention and then GCAA not responding. If Sheikh Hamed Ben Ahmed Al Hamed can flout judgments of the courts of Abu Dhabi and induce GCAA personnel who are supposed to exercise safety oversight to act as if it they are on the payroll of Prestige Jet, imagine what our Sheikh Ahmed can accomplish without saying or doing anything, just by fact of being in leadership positions at both EK and GCAA and everybody knowing how important EK is to the economy of Dubai.
Any aspiring GCAA employee would probably think twice before raising a serious issue with EK, regardless whether Sheikh Ahmed is on their Board or not. He need not say or do anything to make that happen.
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Plenty of info about Emirates is available out there. It seems that people make their own choice whether to apply or not.
Unless you're a local, you always have a choice to stay or go back to your own country where things are far superior than they are at EK or any other place. You can always go back to easyJet or Ryanair or some low-paying job back in the US. They really care more than EK ever will.
Just sayin'....
Unless you're a local, you always have a choice to stay or go back to your own country where things are far superior than they are at EK or any other place. You can always go back to easyJet or Ryanair or some low-paying job back in the US. They really care more than EK ever will.
Just sayin'....
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Back to Sheikh Ahmed...
Back to the topic of Sheikh Ahmed's dual role, this comment appeared in the authoritative Financial Times coverage of the air show and the orders:
"Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, who has guided the airline since its formation, also runs the civil aviation authority, nurturing the symbiotic relationship between the two entities, as the airport tries to overtake London’s Heathrow as the world’s busiest by 2015."
Emirates: Dubai airline’s bid to be biggest takes off - FT.com
It seems clear to the rest of the world; it's interesting that there is even a debate about this on PPRuNe by the pilots who work at Emirates.
"Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, who has guided the airline since its formation, also runs the civil aviation authority, nurturing the symbiotic relationship between the two entities, as the airport tries to overtake London’s Heathrow as the world’s busiest by 2015."
Emirates: Dubai airline’s bid to be biggest takes off - FT.com
It seems clear to the rest of the world; it's interesting that there is even a debate about this on PPRuNe by the pilots who work at Emirates.
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Originally Posted by contacted
Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum is President of the DCAA.
Dubai Civil Aviation Authority (DCAA)
He is a board member of the GCAA.
Welcome to UAE General Civil Aviation Authority
He is the Chairman and CEO of Emirates Airline & Group.
HH Sheikh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Maktoum | Leadership | Our Company | The Emirates Group
These are the facts.
Dubai Civil Aviation Authority (DCAA)
He is a board member of the GCAA.
Welcome to UAE General Civil Aviation Authority
He is the Chairman and CEO of Emirates Airline & Group.
HH Sheikh Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Maktoum | Leadership | Our Company | The Emirates Group
These are the facts.
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Regardless of whether we debate what it means to sit on the board of the GCAA versus "running" it, can we agree that he wields enormous influence over GCAA activities and actions? I can't imagine that he is considered "just another board member" and lacks influence, if not overtly, by his long shadow due to who he is and what his other positions are.
Can anybody name other places where the same person heads the airline, the airports and sits on the board of the regulatory oversight authority of both? I suppose there are similar examples in some places, but I think that this is not the norm because of the appearance of prima facie conflict of interest among those three responsibilties.
Can anybody name other places where the same person heads the airline, the airports and sits on the board of the regulatory oversight authority of both? I suppose there are similar examples in some places, but I think that this is not the norm because of the appearance of prima facie conflict of interest among those three responsibilties.
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Hey Doc,
Now that you've left for cleaner pastures, shouldn't you be trawling your new employer's websites instead of lingering on this one?
I'm sure you'll contend that you're just doing your civic duty by warning the rest of us about the evils of living here - thanks for that, duly noted - but I think I'll make my own decision whether or when to quit.
It's over man, let it go.
Now that you've left for cleaner pastures, shouldn't you be trawling your new employer's websites instead of lingering on this one?
I'm sure you'll contend that you're just doing your civic duty by warning the rest of us about the evils of living here - thanks for that, duly noted - but I think I'll make my own decision whether or when to quit.
It's over man, let it go.