Reasons not to apply for emirates airlines
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Oh my word!
People comparing the "bad"things at EK to the "good" things which they remember from their last lives......
Do yourself a favour. Sit down, slap yourself VERY hard in the face (several times... if necessary) until you realise that you left your last life to come to EK for a reason.
EK offered you much more than you had then, and probably more than you could have imagined being "given".
If you (or anyone who feels sympathetic to the first post in this thread) feel that you can do better elsewhere right now... please do one of two things:
1) Tell the rest of us about this package which beats what we have here
2) Leave quietly
Ranting here is only going to get you one response.... SLAPPED!
People comparing the "bad"things at EK to the "good" things which they remember from their last lives......
Do yourself a favour. Sit down, slap yourself VERY hard in the face (several times... if necessary) until you realise that you left your last life to come to EK for a reason.
EK offered you much more than you had then, and probably more than you could have imagined being "given".
If you (or anyone who feels sympathetic to the first post in this thread) feel that you can do better elsewhere right now... please do one of two things:
1) Tell the rest of us about this package which beats what we have here
2) Leave quietly
Ranting here is only going to get you one response.... SLAPPED!
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The UAE GCAA is corrupt. If you put a safety related issue on their desk the only thing they do is to put the lights out and the spotlight on the same way as they do in a CIA interrogation room. The only thing that makes sense is to stay below the radar and leave silently via the backdoor if you had enough.
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The head of the police recently said that there were no reported date rape cases in Dubai. Either he's covering the truth or, doesn't realise that people will not report it because the victim themselves will be arrested for illegal sex. Either way, the problem does exists and they know it.
Do you really think that a GCAA official is going to stand up in 7DAYS and say there's a problem?
EK has a recognised reporting format for ASR's. However, only an MOR is required to be submitted to the GCAA. If it's not an MOR, the regulatory authority will not receive it as there's no stipulation or requirement of the operator to submit it. The GCAA can at any time randomly select a percentage of ASR's for review.
Ultimately, it's up to the post holders within EK, from those in Flight Safety, Flight Operations and right up to Tim Clarke himself to decide if they consider the risk to be one worth taking. Based on current operations, they do. When the smoking hole occurs, and it will one day, they may be found culpable if it can be proved they ignored genuine safety concerns. I suggest therefore that you keep a record of all your fatigue ASR's and have them ready for the investigation team.
As for the jim jams, they're for sleeping in. That's not just being professional, it's basic etiquette and manners.
The head of the police recently said that there were no reported date rape cases in Dubai. Either he's covering the truth or, doesn't realise that people will not report it because the victim themselves will be arrested for illegal sex. Either way, the problem does exists and they know it.
Do you really think that a GCAA official is going to stand up in 7DAYS and say there's a problem?
EK has a recognised reporting format for ASR's. However, only an MOR is required to be submitted to the GCAA. If it's not an MOR, the regulatory authority will not receive it as there's no stipulation or requirement of the operator to submit it. The GCAA can at any time randomly select a percentage of ASR's for review.
Ultimately, it's up to the post holders within EK, from those in Flight Safety, Flight Operations and right up to Tim Clarke himself to decide if they consider the risk to be one worth taking. Based on current operations, they do. When the smoking hole occurs, and it will one day, they may be found culpable if it can be proved they ignored genuine safety concerns. I suggest therefore that you keep a record of all your fatigue ASR's and have them ready for the investigation team.
As for the jim jams, they're for sleeping in. That's not just being professional, it's basic etiquette and manners.
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Hiya Doc, are you able to give us a look at those reports? Not trying to put you on the spot, but I would like to have a gander at what was reported...Standing by...
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and I am not ranting 
. It's damn serious.
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Sorry, I only fly with you guys, have not worked with you but pyjamas on the flight deck is ridiculous. What ever happened to standards. I never even fly as a passenger without wearing a tie. I can just imagine a ditching scenario - 'who is the guy in the dingy wearing pyjamas?' 'Oh that is the captain, he was asleep at the time of impact' 
Congrats by the way on being voted by the Daily Telegraph as the reader's favourite airline. We agree. We know you have huge problems in the ivory tower and I am glad that I didn't take up the offer 16 years ago. This was mainly because I couldn't see myself living in Dubai and dealing with RHs.
We really look forward to flying with you again next week. Our first time on the A380. I am going to lean on the bar for most of the trip and have a shower before we land - another first
BTW we have flown with you many times and your cabin crew are exceptional.
Congrats by the way on being voted by the Daily Telegraph as the reader's favourite airline. We agree. We know you have huge problems in the ivory tower and I am glad that I didn't take up the offer 16 years ago. This was mainly because I couldn't see myself living in Dubai and dealing with RHs.
We really look forward to flying with you again next week. Our first time on the A380. I am going to lean on the bar for most of the trip and have a shower before we land - another first
BTW we have flown with you many times and your cabin crew are exceptional.
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But have you ever seen them at SEP?
Hopefully my own training will suffice should it be required!
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Left Coaster: check out these fungi
Culture report:
- a mixed growth of Acremonium species
- several (at least 3) types of Dematiceous Fungi
- Further I.D. in this laboratory not possible
The letter of the clinic says:
To whom it may concern:
and his family have been suffering with symptoms consistent with hypersensitivity to mould, for the entire time that they have resided in their accomodation in Dubai. Symptoms include persistent upper respiratory tract irritation, dermatitis, arthralgia and fatigue.
He reports a dripping air-conditioning system, which is full of growth and has taken photographs of this to support his concerns. Apparently he has approached the landlord for as much assistance as possible.
A sample of the air-conditioning duct growth has grown a mixed growth of Acremonium species and several (at least 3) types of Dematiceous Fungi. I have not proceeded with RAST testing as the symptoms and the exposure are consistent with hypersensitivity to mould. I would consider that he may benefit from a change in accomodation. Thank you for any assistance which you may be able to provide him.
Yours Sincerely Dr.
- a mixed growth of Acremonium species
- several (at least 3) types of Dematiceous Fungi
- Further I.D. in this laboratory not possible
The letter of the clinic says:
To whom it may concern:
and his family have been suffering with symptoms consistent with hypersensitivity to mould, for the entire time that they have resided in their accomodation in Dubai. Symptoms include persistent upper respiratory tract irritation, dermatitis, arthralgia and fatigue.He reports a dripping air-conditioning system, which is full of growth and has taken photographs of this to support his concerns. Apparently he has approached the landlord for as much assistance as possible.
A sample of the air-conditioning duct growth has grown a mixed growth of Acremonium species and several (at least 3) types of Dematiceous Fungi. I have not proceeded with RAST testing as the symptoms and the exposure are consistent with hypersensitivity to mould. I would consider that he may benefit from a change in accomodation. Thank you for any assistance which you may be able to provide him.
Yours Sincerely Dr.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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What you say is true but I guess my post was a little sarcastic. I know the GCAA probably understand this goes on but as the same guy is in control of both EK and GCAA they are not going to cause waves for EK.
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I am quite surprised when I see pilots complaining so much about Emirates and bringing up only negatives.
Not a word about:
-free accomodation (villa if you have children), bills payed
-a car to pick you up and drop you home from work
-no tax on your income
-medical insurance for family
-school fees payed for kids
......just to name a few.
Do you work hard?
yes, you do.
do you get good pay/benefits in exchange?
yes you do. if you wouldnt get them you'd leave dubai. you are here 'cos its worth it and the job is safe, not because you love the heat and the dust.
Dont get me wrong, far from me to think that its a perfect world out here but its only fair to get the whole picture when we talk about it.
all the b...ks about the the uniform and the hat makes me laugh. its part of the deal to show up at work with a clean uniform/have all the items. at the end of the day its a matter of respect for you profession which you trained so hard for.
Not a word about:
-free accomodation (villa if you have children), bills payed
-a car to pick you up and drop you home from work
-no tax on your income
-medical insurance for family
-school fees payed for kids
......just to name a few.
Do you work hard?
yes, you do.
do you get good pay/benefits in exchange?
yes you do. if you wouldnt get them you'd leave dubai. you are here 'cos its worth it and the job is safe, not because you love the heat and the dust.
Dont get me wrong, far from me to think that its a perfect world out here but its only fair to get the whole picture when we talk about it.
all the b...ks about the the uniform and the hat makes me laugh. its part of the deal to show up at work with a clean uniform/have all the items. at the end of the day its a matter of respect for you profession which you trained so hard for.
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Well, I actually like our hat, I have worn another hat during my aviation career, but the EK hat is actually very smart in my opinion. I know I am in the minority that thinks this, however, the uniform is going to be changed soon anyway....and the hat is here to stay albeit a different design I have heard 
come on guys, wearing the hat is part of looking the 'part'.
come on guys, wearing the hat is part of looking the 'part'.
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Skytrak, the reason people don't mention the free housing is because it isn't free. If you don't live in it you get an allowance. Your free housing is costing you about 14,000Dhs a month.
The transport to and from work is great, but it does get me to work about an hour before my official sign on time. Maybe I should live further from the airport.
There is no direct tax on income but there are plenty of other taxes -sorry, "fees", in Dubai, from Salik to phantom speeding fines. It is not a cheap place to live.
You are paying for your family medical insurance, it is deducted from your salary every month.
Finally, most of the school fees are paid. It still takes a chunk out of your income if you have a couple of ankle biters.
Can't get excited about the hat either way....
The transport to and from work is great, but it does get me to work about an hour before my official sign on time. Maybe I should live further from the airport.
There is no direct tax on income but there are plenty of other taxes -sorry, "fees", in Dubai, from Salik to phantom speeding fines. It is not a cheap place to live.
You are paying for your family medical insurance, it is deducted from your salary every month.
Finally, most of the school fees are paid. It still takes a chunk out of your income if you have a couple of ankle biters.
Can't get excited about the hat either way....
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skytrax, be careful with that medical insurance. Like everything, it gives you a false sense of security. Try to get a letter for your family (if you have one) which can be used while they are on vacation at home - it gives you an idea about the amount EK will pay in total. The coverage is ridiculous if any really serious illness occurs as in the case of my family. Beware of your wife though: she will freak out when she will realise that she and the kids have much less coverage than daddy.
By the way: are you happy with the fact that your company knows through the clinic EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING about you, your wife, your kids?
There! What was that rumbling and sighing sound again? George Orwell uneasily turning in his grave!
Beside the fact that it is not free, it's a scam folks.
By the way: are you happy with the fact that your company knows through the clinic EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING about you, your wife, your kids?
There! What was that rumbling and sighing sound again? George Orwell uneasily turning in his grave!
Beside the fact that it is not free, it's a scam folks.
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Guys,
Its not perfect but its a lot better than most of the others. You know it and that's why you are still here!
Don't complain about Salik and fines. Its nothing! Been here for a few years, never had a bogus fine.
Why dont you mention that here in UAE you get a car with no VAT and import tax! I changed my car recently, and checked how much is the price back home, somewhere in Europe. The difference its 15.000 Euros. Thats all tax and tax that you dont get to pay here in UAE. not to mention the cost of fuel.
@Geordie, accomodation is free, its part of your deal! Company is paying your rent. Or they give you the option of getting whatever house you want. The house allowance you can choose to get instead covers a decent villa. Its even better like this 'cos you're not forced to live in company accomodation. If you want to save money you get an apartment and pocket the rest. many do this.
It all depends how you look at things.
Medical insurance you pay for your family it is still a good deal comparing to what you get! You should be happy you have the option of doing so and not have to get an outside private medical insurance. They are very expensive as medical services are very expensive in UAE. I have friends that need to pay as their contract doesnt cover the family and I got to know about it. Just for you to have an ideea, a simple consultation cost 525dhs at American Hospital.
Again, its not perfect, I wish the medical cover would be the same for the whole family. Also, living costs have gone up a lot in the last 3-4 years and muncipality fees have been invented.
Still, you have to look out there before complaining so much and see what's around you. your deal is still one of the best in the industry.
Its not perfect but its a lot better than most of the others. You know it and that's why you are still here!
Don't complain about Salik and fines. Its nothing! Been here for a few years, never had a bogus fine.
Why dont you mention that here in UAE you get a car with no VAT and import tax! I changed my car recently, and checked how much is the price back home, somewhere in Europe. The difference its 15.000 Euros. Thats all tax and tax that you dont get to pay here in UAE. not to mention the cost of fuel.
@Geordie, accomodation is free, its part of your deal! Company is paying your rent. Or they give you the option of getting whatever house you want. The house allowance you can choose to get instead covers a decent villa. Its even better like this 'cos you're not forced to live in company accomodation. If you want to save money you get an apartment and pocket the rest. many do this.
It all depends how you look at things.
Medical insurance you pay for your family it is still a good deal comparing to what you get! You should be happy you have the option of doing so and not have to get an outside private medical insurance. They are very expensive as medical services are very expensive in UAE. I have friends that need to pay as their contract doesnt cover the family and I got to know about it. Just for you to have an ideea, a simple consultation cost 525dhs at American Hospital.
Again, its not perfect, I wish the medical cover would be the same for the whole family. Also, living costs have gone up a lot in the last 3-4 years and muncipality fees have been invented.
Still, you have to look out there before complaining so much and see what's around you. your deal is still one of the best in the industry.
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