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Old 28th Sep 2011, 11:54
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Air China B777 bases

Heard this was in the pipeline and now it's for real.

How do you say "I'm off, then" in Mandarin?

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Old 28th Sep 2011, 12:14
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How do you say "I'm off, then" in Mandarin?

"Hao, wo yao li kai" would probably be the best translation to catch your meaning.

At $168,000 it's about a $100,000 a year pay cut after taxes for an EK Captain to take a U.S. base. They need to bring it up to $250,000 to really get guys interested.



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Old 28th Sep 2011, 12:38
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They must be smoking their socks!

On the 744, Nov 2010 they were offering US190k, in January that went up to US210k and then in March up to US250k.

Don't be foolish and jump at this crap offer, you'll shoot yourself in both feet!
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Old 28th Sep 2011, 12:45
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The add does say that a pay review is underway and new pay rates to follow. Its 11K + 3K at the moment you would have to say 14 +3 might do ( tax Free ) and depends on the roster
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Old 28th Sep 2011, 17:42
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Possibly a good opportunity. If we dont all rush in and apply therebye giving them a " pool " seeing how many they can get therebye driving the contract down even more . A simple technique used by recruiters/airlines.

Ifhowever they see they cannot get the experience the contract T&C,s will just continue to go up ( as what happened with the 747 contract).

So hold off on those apps boys and girls ( just for once lets try play this one right).

Alas I am a dreamer to think there is any such unity left amongst the pilot fraternity. We alone are responsible for the continous downgrade of this profession. ( ok and the bean counters)
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Old 28th Sep 2011, 18:17
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Why is that Typhoonpilot? Do you have more information? How is the commuting? Is it the US tax? At least you would be back home and out of the Middle East dustbowl.
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Old 28th Sep 2011, 18:35
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The initial answer from Parc very pointedly does not mention what the rosters would be like, which is the sole point on which it would turn for me.

Don't care about the money, it's just a chance to live in the real world with enough cash for groceries, trout flies, and shotgun shells.
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Old 28th Sep 2011, 18:58
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Well said mate, that's all that counts. Get out of here and just make a decent living.
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Old 29th Sep 2011, 12:35
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Sounds great to just get out of the dust bowl, but you'll have to face reality at some stage.

Leave the gulf for a 2 year contract at that rate is never going to be worth it unless you're flush with cash, and in that case you may as well give up flying.

For those who jump ship early, don't get peed off with colleagues who join after you on a higher salary.
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Old 29th Sep 2011, 16:07
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Oooh, interesting! What about F/Os? I'd pee my pants to stay on the 777 and be based at LHR
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Old 30th Sep 2011, 12:26
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I say we stick around and not jump. It is obvious that they are testing waters.
There are no specifics so far, like rosters, annual leave, sick days, mandatory off days etc.
Any desperate souls who probe now, will definitely be whining later when the pay goes up in accordance to shortage of experienced drivers.
I do however hope they can up the pay soon enough for me to be current still with my last 777 PC.
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Old 7th Oct 2011, 16:38
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Hold off. Better things are on the way.....
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Old 13th Oct 2011, 19:48
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its 168k NET so thats more than typhoon makes at Emirates.

Isnt?
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Old 13th Oct 2011, 19:51
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Typhoon has became an Emiratiiiii....from Usair or Peidmont appalachian mountains to metropolitan dubai. He change his weardrobe as well.

hahahaha

ask the IRS about him, they thank him all the time.

hahaha
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Old 13th Oct 2011, 20:20
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hey guntslapper,

when do we see some fresh movie updates hehe
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Old 14th Oct 2011, 05:09
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Poakara, for your info, that's not even close to what Typhoon makes at EK!
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 19:47
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i hope he takes home more than 168 but i doubt it...
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 09:03
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Well, take home will be about the same (no tax here mate), but don't forget the pay is only part of the package!

Does Air China provide free accommodation?

Does it provide a 12% contribution towards a tax free provident fund (you get to keep the money)

Does it provide schooling for the kids?

Does it drive you to work?

Does it provide comprehensive healthcare and dental for you (and the family for a minimal fee)?

Do you get 1st class travel as an Air china Skipper?

As you can see, the package here is FAR better that Air China, hence Typhoons original statement, so indeed yes, they will probably have to up the package by another $100k before they poach many EK skippers.

Hope this helps.
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 09:42
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My last 12 months pay including profit share, Education support allowance, etc etc was a tad short of 220,000USD nett.

That doesn't take into account free accommodation, pick-up for work etc.

So, no, 168K nett would not cut it for me. Try 250,000 and I may start moving off my arm chair.

And don't bother asking me to break the pay down bit by bit. I won't be doing that.
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Old 17th Oct 2011, 10:02
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The recently created job for 777 flight instructors at the Boeing company pays about $200,000 annually for month-on month-off rotations ie. about half a year's work.

Granted, these would be significantly experienced people but as a bellwether for both dollar amounts and the type of rotation this points the way for remuneration over the next few years, at least for any company which is looking for people of proven quality. They are starting to get pretty scarce.
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