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Old 9th Aug 2011, 13:11
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Dictators of the Skies?

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Old 9th Aug 2011, 14:49
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I've never heard such biased, incorrect, small minded, bigoted, crap in my career!

I can't believe that a representative of a upstanding professional pilot's body could be such an idiot!

No wonder the Canadian pilots at EK, EY and QR left their homeland to find employment as that union will drive Air Canada to bankcrupt itself before allowing in the competition, instead of fixing its own problems to defeat the competition!
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Couldn't agree more. It makes foxnews look fair and balanced. Its embarassing for Canadians, of which I am one.
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 15:24
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Kennedy,

You have been in the UAE too long dude.

I say he is 100% correct.

No such thing as fair competition. If you think so why donīt you go work for 500 AED/month as a baggage handler.
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 15:28
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Or how about at the bottom of the AC seniority list at 35 years old with a starting salary about 40K at a 40 percent tax bracket with lousy benefits and a union self destructing and no chance to make a command until almost 55...I could go on....sad isn't it?
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 16:45
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Iīd have to say that the biggest losers would be the Canadian pubic who will be left with only Air Canada and Star Alliance if they want to explore the world if EK wonīt get more slots or even lose the ones they have. But maybe youīre happy staying at home if you live in Canada
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 18:06
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I say he is 100% correct.

No such thing as fair competition
Umm I don't know if you understand the definition of competition, but heres the oxford concise version..


"noun
  • the activity or condition of competing:there is fierce competition between banks at this conservatory, competition for admissions is stiff
  • an event or contest in which people compete:a beauty competition
  • [in singular] the person or people with whom one is competing, especially in a commercial or sporting arena; the opposition:I walked around to check out the competition"
So first things first, competition isn't about leveling the playing field, nor is it about being fair. It all boils down to using every little advantage you posses to be better than those you are competing against.
Air Canada have used their own advantages i.e. political clout, the home advantage, fear of the big bad M/E airlines etc to win this round of competition, much it must be said to the detriment of the Canadian traveling public.
This interview merely reinforces my view that Air Canada has absolutely NO intention of doing anything other than continuing on with business as usual, after all why shouldn't they?
Protectionism in a globalized world doesn't work anymore and ultimately the consumers will vote with their feet.
If anyone was in any doubt about the type of journalism involved here, go and watch the way Faux news (its on OSN)do it to give you a good clue as to the blinkered misinformation on offer.
What a load of utter bollocks.
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 19:39
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One prolific slice of the market for the UAE airlines is flying Indians and Sri Lankans to North America via the Gulf. Air Canada flies to Delhi and Mumbai, but not to Chennai or Colombo, which both have substantial numbers of passengers flying to and from Canada and the USA.

Get in there and compete.
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 19:40
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Why do you keep defending Emirates? They treat their staff like crap and could not care less about you or any of its employees.
800 dhs a month baggage handler and the minute he gets sick its back to his 3rd world country thank you very much.
They do not honor contracts unless it suits them.
They fly you over 90 plus hours a month and that is all hard time, in the middle of the night with two pilots and no credit time whatsoever. Most pilots at Emirates have no idea what credit time is or ever experienced it however.
Here are some facts not mentioned;
Emirates labor costs are 13% of their budget. Most LCCs are more than twice that and legecy carriers approach three times that. Emirates will kill any airline it comes across.
If you want competition it must be fair for all involved. 1st world airlines can not pay their unskilled labor $200 a month. First of all it is illegal and what kind of worker would you get for that price even if you could pay that?
The jobs that Emirates would provide in Canada would be min wage at best. They would go to the local FBO and hire a local mechnic for probably $15 an hour and ramp workers for $8/hr. These are the jobs Emirates say they will give Canada.
Meanwhile since Emirates has slave labor and very little income tax they will literally kill AC. The $40,000 baggage handler goes away and so does the taxes he pays. The Canadian government will now have to pay for the low wage workers insurance, pension and dental because Emirates will not. Also the gov't will have to pay the laid off AC worker unemployement. This is what you want? Just so the good people of Canada can have cheap seats?
There is very little market between the UAE and Canada. All Emirates wants to do is swing the Indians and take market share. I say give it to the airlines that pay a decent wage and honors its contracts and obligations.
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 19:50
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Why do you keep defending Emirates?
Dunno if anyone is, I just couldnīt care less aboot Air Canada...
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 20:08
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Algonquin...'

Thats exactly why EK will never have outbasing anywhere.... They lose their advantage tremendously!!

This is total sensationalistic journalism.... if you can even call it journalism.

"Blood thirsty dictator"??? Huh???

This guy is a knucklehead pure and simple.
 
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Mr "AC" ......

Don't know about defending EK but having been in this business for my entire life EK offers a lot that is not available elsewhere.

Without doubt certain aspets of life are different in the EK circle but speaking from a purely personal point of view I am very happy in EK, my family is also very happy in DXB.

We have a standard of living that most, if not all my buddies still in the UK have expressed their desire to have as well.

In light of recent events............... We also don't miss gangs of scum running about being a bloody nuisance!

The Air Canada vs EK "battle" will be won by Canadians voting with their credit cards. Hopefully, and I have no idea if this will happen, EK will fly to SEATAC asap and avoid the whole silly issue.

Happy landings chaps
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Crusader...do you not think that AC would really love to lower their costs by dropping benefits and salaries? I do! They've been trying to do it for years! Thanks to a little common sense it hasn't gone too far...yet...and yes, minimum wage would be the target any airline would like to pay a worker for maximum hours...some call it slave labour and some call it productivity...but you need to put a fact or two in your argument...the issue in this video is that the reporting is juvenile and lacks credibility...its a set up posing as journalism...no facts and plenty of inflammatory rhetoric! (Kinda like your posting.) AC has the same wish as EK...dominate markets, steal revenue and lower costs...they just have a different set of roadblocks to clear. Ask yourself why so many Canadian pilots ended up working for EK in the last 10 years? Is it because of a balanced and fair airline policy in Canada that allowed a forced merger between 2 major competitors and allowed a huge number of employees at other carriers to watch their employers struggle to match the predatory actions at AC? Eventually those airlines failed and hundreds of well qualified pilots were forced to either join AC at the bottom of a seniority list (care to start a career agian at 45?) or leave the country. Fair policy? AC wins at all costs...its an often repeated action that will keep lowering the bar for pilots in Canada for a long time...keeps the costs down for the airline doesn't it?
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AC,
So when EK/EY flies to Canada, who is doing their handling? I doubt if the underwing employees are working at the same rates they would be in the UAE. And of course, when AC comes into the UAE, are the workers handling the aircraft working for the Canadian wages? I am very well aware of credit time, duty rigs etc., but where would one go, in the "western" world and make what one can in the first year at EY or EK? UPS pays around 36USD an hour for the first year pay. Sure second year pay is excellent, but that is "food stamp" pay for anyone in their first year (slave labor?). Perhaps, just a thought, that there could be just a bit of unsaid "racism" in keeping more from the subcontinent out of Canada? Just a thought. BTW, love Canada, its people and culture, always have. And good for the Canadian pilots to have this gent standing up for them, but not good for the general public wanting a true deregulated sky.
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Crusader,

Where are the clothes and shoes that you are wearing and electrical appliances in your house come from?

No one can escape aiding exploitation in this global economy.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 07:09
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The reason so many Canadian pilots are at Emirates is because in Canada there salaries are very low and Canadian taxes are very high.
Coupled with the fact that many airlines went out of business in Canada so there are many pilots in the UAE.
The reason so many Emirates pilots are happy is that they come from dodgey airlines that don't pay as much as EK. You can't argue that EK treats its pilots well or even fairly. You can just say Ek is better than where you were before.
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When I first posted I did not watch the video. I have since and it is not first class journalism I admit but the points the Captain makes are prefectly valid.
Blood thirsty dictator is over the top. He should have just said dictator because when was the last election he "won."
The airlines of the world are going to have to stand up and stop Emirates because as they said in the video 6 major airlines in Europe no longer serve Aus. Emirates killed the competition with their vey low wages and government support. Notice how I did not say subsides.
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The airlines of the world are going to have to stand up and stop Emirates because as they said in the video 6 major airlines in Europe no longer serve Aus
More uninformed headline grapping.

Alitalia? Try telling me that this organisation was anything other than an enormous sponge, how may bailouts from the govt?
Sabena? Never turned a profit as far as I was aware, now Bankrupt.
BA do fly to SYD in their own aircraft, as well as code share, as do Virgin Atlantic in their own aircraft (via HKG).

What you are REALLY saying is "The airlines of the world who traditionally have dominated the market, wish to maintain their marketshare" and that they are frightened to the extent where they will use all means at their disposal to facilitate this.

Pure unadulterated crap journalism.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 08:27
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@Alconguin

You talk about baggage handlers making $200/month ... That comes with the land and not with the company. As far as i know when AC goes to Delhi and Mumbai they couldn't care less how much the baggage handler is making when they load their aircraft ... also Emirates when they load their aircraft in Toronto pay the full handling charge.

As flight crew, salary seems much better in the M/E.

The only point of discussion here is the lack of unions here, without a minimum wage they will hire anybody that takes the job. (AC will do just that if they could). - and that is NOT illegal (in the UAE).
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LHR...dodgy airlines? Why don't you ask the EK guys who joined from C3, AC, BA, TAM, VARIG, SQ, SQC, CP, UAL, Delta, SW, AA, Virgin, Jet Blue, AF, SAS, Sabena or many other good operators if they thought they came from a "dodgy" carrier? Another hard question for you...is it "there" "their" or "they're"?

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