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i brought my logbook and all the papers i had, they looked on my papers for 5minutes and after that it was talking about lovelife, family, about myself , but i think the interesting part for them was talking instead of looking in my papers. we had a great conversation after my aptitude tests. and i was reading before that we need to wait up to 2-3 weeks before we get an answer, but the chief pilot and one qatari guy asked me directly if i was interested of working for them. it took me 3 hours that day to get that question. offcourse i cant change what i have done, but the thing is i wont do it again, and miss of honesty, youre right.
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first i would like to say ur an idiot ,u got a job and u have not started ur training yet and u are telling every one that u faked ur hours lets see a Norwegian 21 yrs old second officer joined qr recently and about to start his line training in july i think u deserve to be reported to the company and when u get fired u can go back to ur country and earn more money how about that good deal for u right .and as second officer in qr they dont care how many hours u got they care about the license and please keep ur opinions to ur self for someone who doesnt have experience in life or as pilot u should should be learning not preaching
first i would like to say ur an idiot ,u got a job and u have not started ur training yet and u are telling every one that u faked ur hours lets see a Norwegian 21 yrs old second officer joined qr recently and about to start his line training in july i think u deserve to be reported to the company and when u get fired u can go back to ur country and earn more money how about that good deal for u right .and as second officer in qr they dont care how many hours u got they care about the license and please keep ur opinions to ur self for someone who doesnt have experience in life or as pilot u should should be learning not preaching
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Do you have any idea that a degree for? A college degree is to see that are you capable to learn or not, and not just a piece of paper to show that you have a degree. I assume that you might not even have a degree!! So how did you so sure that you can finish A330 type rating training? since you are lack of honesty and integrity, I am not sure you are able to complete the training.
PS : look forward to see you in training, you are going to have a good time, he he he!
Do you have any idea that a degree for? A college degree is to see that are you capable to learn or not, and not just a piece of paper to show that you have a degree. I assume that you might not even have a degree!! So how did you so sure that you can finish A330 type rating training? since you are lack of honesty and integrity, I am not sure you are able to complete the training.
PS : look forward to see you in training, you are going to have a good time, he he he!
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And what is brilliant is that this guys is 21 years old, lands a good job on a jet with a good company (at least I consider it to be one) and he's complaining about his salary already!! I assume he's gonna be another one of those moaners and groaners we have here
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Hi!
Do you think that appart from the money we can discuss to get a better overall package? Let's say, for example, a better staff travel with more entitlements available for the family and a pension; may be not now or in the close future, but why not in the mid-term? I love my job and QR is a great opportunity for me and I'm happy to be here...flying well maintained aircraft which are new it isn't something that you can do and talk about in other parts of the worlds. I used to fly 20 years old B737 before coming here.
Patience is a virtude and just need to have it
Do you think that appart from the money we can discuss to get a better overall package? Let's say, for example, a better staff travel with more entitlements available for the family and a pension; may be not now or in the close future, but why not in the mid-term? I love my job and QR is a great opportunity for me and I'm happy to be here...flying well maintained aircraft which are new it isn't something that you can do and talk about in other parts of the worlds. I used to fly 20 years old B737 before coming here.
Patience is a virtude and just need to have it
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dnomyer,
silly boy, you have just got a job flying an aircraft that some senior pilots on the 320 would love to get on, and what do you do.
own up that you faked your log book.
well you couldn't have identified yourself more easily if you tried could you.
1) A330
2) Norwegian
3) aged 21
4) second officer
5) 1000 hrs
6) starting in july
is it a 1000 hrs as i quote a post by you from another thread.
i just got a job in Qatar Airways on a330-300. i did my training in america and my jaa conversion in Oslo Norway. i have around 1200 hours, 500 multi engine.
i worked as instructor after my cpl, and got alot of experience compare to new cpl students who get put in the right seat right after their training.
but it all depends on the school and wich instructors u have, some cpl students can fly better than other instructors who have around 3000 hours.
im 21 years old and flying a big jet in a couple of months!!
so how many hrs did you fiddle?
i would keep a very low profile, as you have put yourself way above the trees, you have also been quite abusive regarding your new employer, and you haven't started yet.
haven't you read or heard about what is going on in india, re pilots fiddling.
i would think if your caught you could be done for fraud, and i wouldn't like to be caught out in this part of the world, and then there is the QCAA, hum how do think they are gonna feel, the least you can expect is a report to your home CAA, and then maybe loss of licence.
all i can say is good luck, you will need it.
silly boy, you have just got a job flying an aircraft that some senior pilots on the 320 would love to get on, and what do you do.
own up that you faked your log book.
well you couldn't have identified yourself more easily if you tried could you.
1) A330
2) Norwegian
3) aged 21
4) second officer
5) 1000 hrs
6) starting in july
is it a 1000 hrs as i quote a post by you from another thread.
i just got a job in Qatar Airways on a330-300. i did my training in america and my jaa conversion in Oslo Norway. i have around 1200 hours, 500 multi engine.
i worked as instructor after my cpl, and got alot of experience compare to new cpl students who get put in the right seat right after their training.
but it all depends on the school and wich instructors u have, some cpl students can fly better than other instructors who have around 3000 hours.
im 21 years old and flying a big jet in a couple of months!!
so how many hrs did you fiddle?
i would keep a very low profile, as you have put yourself way above the trees, you have also been quite abusive regarding your new employer, and you haven't started yet.
haven't you read or heard about what is going on in india, re pilots fiddling.
i would think if your caught you could be done for fraud, and i wouldn't like to be caught out in this part of the world, and then there is the QCAA, hum how do think they are gonna feel, the least you can expect is a report to your home CAA, and then maybe loss of licence.
all i can say is good luck, you will need it.
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Ladies and Gentlemen this guy here is literally not a qatar airways pilot lol.....because my friend is the head recruitment over there....and let me just ask about this current situation.....that all i have to say for someone to comeo n here and literally just fess up to sharpening his logbook lol he is literally an idiot lol.......if you had gotten the job shut your mouth and start a fresh log book with your airline....dont be coming on here and laughing at people because they dont have a job yet....any body can do what you did...they can easily get 1000 hours in a matter of 3 hours just sitting in the living room of there home.....
so please do all of us a favor and stop being so stupid and grow a pair and stop talking nonsence on here.....
so please do all of us a favor and stop being so stupid and grow a pair and stop talking nonsence on here.....
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Utter Rubbish
Middle East Careers: Al Baker's gameplan
The "esteemed " leaders of QR sat with Flight International to talk about careers in QR. Above is the link. It makes pathetic reading. I have produced the text below.
It may not have the glitzy grandeur of Dubai, but selling Doha to overseas job-hunters is easier than it was. Although Qatar Airways has been a blue-chip global airline brand for some years, able to attract recruits from around the world, its home town has been seen as something of a dusty outpost.
The World Cup has changed all that. Last year's decision to award football's four-yearly international tournament to Qatar in 2022 has put the Gulf city on the international map. A huge spending programme on stadiums and other infrastructure has already kicked off, but the month-long competition is not the only impetus for Doha's dramatic development.
Like Dubai and Abu Dhabi, Qatar sees high-end destination tourism and convention business as a vital part of diversifying an economy reliant on the export of natural gas and which is expected to grow by one-fifth this year. While Doha has become a major hub for long-haul travellers on Qatar Airways, the government wants more of them to stay longer in the country. In recent years, Doha's city centre skyline has been filling with striking new office blocks, shopping malls, cultural centres, hotels and apartment complexes as the city transforms itself into a regional business and leisure hub.
Next year, a new airport will open on 2,200Ha of mostly reclaimed land next to the current airport, capable of handling, initially, 24 million passengers, rising to 50 million by 2015. It will give Qatar Airways - which has been outgrowing its rather cramped current home - a base to rival Emirates' Dubai International hub.
Since launching in 1997 under the leadership of chief executive Akbar Al Baker, Qatar Airways has firmly positioned itself at the premium end of the airline spectrum. A decade younger than Emirates and six years older than the third leading Gulf carrier, Etihad of Abu Dhabi, the airline has been able to carve out a distinct brand position with a service-oriented passenger experience (in 2006 it opened the industry's only dedicated premium terminal at Doha) and a fleet based around smaller aircraft than those of Emirates.
Its 95 airliners include 29 Airbus A330-300s and -200s, 32 A320 family aircraft and 21 Boeing 777-300ERs and -200LRs. Although it has five A380s on order, the superjumbo will fill only a niche role in its future fleet and most of its 170 commitments are for A350s and 787s. The airline has just added its 100th destination - Aleppo in Syria - and six more will follow this year, including Kolkata, Montreal and Oslo.
Qatar Airways' fleet expansion means it needs to recruit 30 pilots and 400 employees across the group each month, including engineers, cabin crew and backroom staff (current workforce is 13,000, with a further 6,000 in associated businesses). Al Baker says it is "very difficult to get the pilots we need", admitting: "We are very focused on quality, so we are very selective. We get large numbers applying, but when we put them through their paces, a lot of them are shed because of our high standards."
Consistency in the customer product is vital for Qatar Airways and its employees are key to delivering this, he says. "For an airline that is less than 15 years old to be one of the top five-star rated airlines in the world is proof that the kind of people we recruit are the right kind of people." Although "not everyone is happy with the strict discipline", the rewards of working for Qatar Airways are many, he says. "We offer a tax-free salary and other benefits, a very safe environment for themselves and their family, and the opportunity to fly a very modern fleet. There is also the fact that you can be part of a very aggressive growth story."
That growth includes several 787s due next year, with the carrier's first A350 earmarked for end of 2013 delivery, subject to Airbus's wavering certification schedule. The delays in both types have been frustrating for Al Baker, who is determined to keep average fleet age below five years.
The new airport - which Al Baker admits is "desperately needed" - is also key to Qatar's expansion strategy. Although the current Doha International continues to be developed, its small footprint means aircraft have to be parked remotely. "The airport is the backbone of the airline," he says. "Passengers need a seamless travel experience or they avoid travelling with us."
Al Baker claims to be relatively unfazed by the rapid growth of Etihad and Emirates and sees the bigger opportunity in snatching market share from legacy airlines struggling to deliver a first-rate passenger experience because of ageing fleets, lack of finance, congested hubs and fragile labour relations.
"We do not follow what our [Gulf] competitors are doing," he says. "We have our own plans to make Doha a very successful Middle East hub. Our destinations are different from our neighbours' and we are going into routes that our competitors are not thinking about. There are still a lot of markets that are not served or under-served and we are looking at these opportunities."
Now a little analysis. QR pays less than any of the other Gulf carriers.
No Provident fund , but three weeks salary for each year served.
Schooling allowance inadequate to meet the needs of more than one child
Arbitrary dismissals, no proper grievance procedure (what is written in their books is a waste of ink because they dont follow it)
Highest turnover of staff , leading to poor service culture. Please fly EK, SQ, LH or CX.
If QR is so sure it can attract such high caliber staff and RETAIN them, why do they have a "NO-POACHING" agreement with EK? If they want to test the waters, they should tear up that agreement and let there be free movement and AAB will have a shock of his life.
Instead of head hunting the "best and brightest" to run their airline, which they can afford like EK does, they pick "YES -MEN" who either have no scruples, or are too incompetent to do anything.
Maybe, unlike EK , the "curse " of oil is too deeply ingrained into their psyche. Their airline is to project this small "dusty outpost" and not to make money like EK and the likes. Or do they actually turn a profit? Who knows? Deep dark secrets...
Anyone who has the letter the Chairman of EK wrote to his staff announcing their profit share bonus should please post it. It makes interesting reading. The staff of EK should be proud they work for him. All companies who are successful have a "people first" approach. Your first customer is your staff. They are HAPPY, they will make your external customers HAPPY. They will be a workforce who will contribute and grow your company. eg SOUTHWEST, etc.
You pay peanuts, you get monkeys! And that has been the classic case in QR! I have little regard for the middle management personnel who are not selected on merit, but on how far up their noses can go. Some who are supposed to have worked for big legacy carriers in western industrialised civilised countries and come here and have no COHONAS/BALLS to stand up and say politely, Sir I think you are wrong and if you did it this way it would be better. But they sit and perpetuate the nonesense the staff are dealt out for the sake of petty selfish self preservation.
It is indeed a sad case.. I could go on and on, but God forbid, this airline is "a whisker away from a disaster". Doha is not an easy place to stay, nothing of substance exists for proper normal everyday social life. And the staff need to be amply rewarded to stay here. It will not change though, unfortunately, they continue to be myopic, small minded, and petty. And that is seen clearly in the way the airline is run. They say if it is too hot in the kitchen get out, and that is exactly what is happening in QR, people continue to stream in and out in their numbers. yes they will always get people to come, but that is not the litmus test. RETAINING them is!! after all the expense to train them! Gentlemen of the jury I rest my case. Just had to Get it off my chest like the American "Brothers" would say!
The "esteemed " leaders of QR sat with Flight International to talk about careers in QR. Above is the link. It makes pathetic reading. I have produced the text below.
It may not have the glitzy grandeur of Dubai, but selling Doha to overseas job-hunters is easier than it was. Although Qatar Airways has been a blue-chip global airline brand for some years, able to attract recruits from around the world, its home town has been seen as something of a dusty outpost.
The World Cup has changed all that. Last year's decision to award football's four-yearly international tournament to Qatar in 2022 has put the Gulf city on the international map. A huge spending programme on stadiums and other infrastructure has already kicked off, but the month-long competition is not the only impetus for Doha's dramatic development.
Like Dubai and Abu Dhabi, Qatar sees high-end destination tourism and convention business as a vital part of diversifying an economy reliant on the export of natural gas and which is expected to grow by one-fifth this year. While Doha has become a major hub for long-haul travellers on Qatar Airways, the government wants more of them to stay longer in the country. In recent years, Doha's city centre skyline has been filling with striking new office blocks, shopping malls, cultural centres, hotels and apartment complexes as the city transforms itself into a regional business and leisure hub.
Next year, a new airport will open on 2,200Ha of mostly reclaimed land next to the current airport, capable of handling, initially, 24 million passengers, rising to 50 million by 2015. It will give Qatar Airways - which has been outgrowing its rather cramped current home - a base to rival Emirates' Dubai International hub.
Since launching in 1997 under the leadership of chief executive Akbar Al Baker, Qatar Airways has firmly positioned itself at the premium end of the airline spectrum. A decade younger than Emirates and six years older than the third leading Gulf carrier, Etihad of Abu Dhabi, the airline has been able to carve out a distinct brand position with a service-oriented passenger experience (in 2006 it opened the industry's only dedicated premium terminal at Doha) and a fleet based around smaller aircraft than those of Emirates.
Its 95 airliners include 29 Airbus A330-300s and -200s, 32 A320 family aircraft and 21 Boeing 777-300ERs and -200LRs. Although it has five A380s on order, the superjumbo will fill only a niche role in its future fleet and most of its 170 commitments are for A350s and 787s. The airline has just added its 100th destination - Aleppo in Syria - and six more will follow this year, including Kolkata, Montreal and Oslo.
Qatar Airways' fleet expansion means it needs to recruit 30 pilots and 400 employees across the group each month, including engineers, cabin crew and backroom staff (current workforce is 13,000, with a further 6,000 in associated businesses). Al Baker says it is "very difficult to get the pilots we need", admitting: "We are very focused on quality, so we are very selective. We get large numbers applying, but when we put them through their paces, a lot of them are shed because of our high standards."
Consistency in the customer product is vital for Qatar Airways and its employees are key to delivering this, he says. "For an airline that is less than 15 years old to be one of the top five-star rated airlines in the world is proof that the kind of people we recruit are the right kind of people." Although "not everyone is happy with the strict discipline", the rewards of working for Qatar Airways are many, he says. "We offer a tax-free salary and other benefits, a very safe environment for themselves and their family, and the opportunity to fly a very modern fleet. There is also the fact that you can be part of a very aggressive growth story."
That growth includes several 787s due next year, with the carrier's first A350 earmarked for end of 2013 delivery, subject to Airbus's wavering certification schedule. The delays in both types have been frustrating for Al Baker, who is determined to keep average fleet age below five years.
The new airport - which Al Baker admits is "desperately needed" - is also key to Qatar's expansion strategy. Although the current Doha International continues to be developed, its small footprint means aircraft have to be parked remotely. "The airport is the backbone of the airline," he says. "Passengers need a seamless travel experience or they avoid travelling with us."
Al Baker claims to be relatively unfazed by the rapid growth of Etihad and Emirates and sees the bigger opportunity in snatching market share from legacy airlines struggling to deliver a first-rate passenger experience because of ageing fleets, lack of finance, congested hubs and fragile labour relations.
"We do not follow what our [Gulf] competitors are doing," he says. "We have our own plans to make Doha a very successful Middle East hub. Our destinations are different from our neighbours' and we are going into routes that our competitors are not thinking about. There are still a lot of markets that are not served or under-served and we are looking at these opportunities."
Now a little analysis. QR pays less than any of the other Gulf carriers.
No Provident fund , but three weeks salary for each year served.
Schooling allowance inadequate to meet the needs of more than one child
Arbitrary dismissals, no proper grievance procedure (what is written in their books is a waste of ink because they dont follow it)
Highest turnover of staff , leading to poor service culture. Please fly EK, SQ, LH or CX.
If QR is so sure it can attract such high caliber staff and RETAIN them, why do they have a "NO-POACHING" agreement with EK? If they want to test the waters, they should tear up that agreement and let there be free movement and AAB will have a shock of his life.
Instead of head hunting the "best and brightest" to run their airline, which they can afford like EK does, they pick "YES -MEN" who either have no scruples, or are too incompetent to do anything.
Maybe, unlike EK , the "curse " of oil is too deeply ingrained into their psyche. Their airline is to project this small "dusty outpost" and not to make money like EK and the likes. Or do they actually turn a profit? Who knows? Deep dark secrets...
Anyone who has the letter the Chairman of EK wrote to his staff announcing their profit share bonus should please post it. It makes interesting reading. The staff of EK should be proud they work for him. All companies who are successful have a "people first" approach. Your first customer is your staff. They are HAPPY, they will make your external customers HAPPY. They will be a workforce who will contribute and grow your company. eg SOUTHWEST, etc.
You pay peanuts, you get monkeys! And that has been the classic case in QR! I have little regard for the middle management personnel who are not selected on merit, but on how far up their noses can go. Some who are supposed to have worked for big legacy carriers in western industrialised civilised countries and come here and have no COHONAS/BALLS to stand up and say politely, Sir I think you are wrong and if you did it this way it would be better. But they sit and perpetuate the nonesense the staff are dealt out for the sake of petty selfish self preservation.
It is indeed a sad case.. I could go on and on, but God forbid, this airline is "a whisker away from a disaster". Doha is not an easy place to stay, nothing of substance exists for proper normal everyday social life. And the staff need to be amply rewarded to stay here. It will not change though, unfortunately, they continue to be myopic, small minded, and petty. And that is seen clearly in the way the airline is run. They say if it is too hot in the kitchen get out, and that is exactly what is happening in QR, people continue to stream in and out in their numbers. yes they will always get people to come, but that is not the litmus test. RETAINING them is!! after all the expense to train them! Gentlemen of the jury I rest my case. Just had to Get it off my chest like the American "Brothers" would say!
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"The rewards of working for Qatar airways are many...!"
bla bla bla...
Well,if it was REALLY the case, there would be absolutely no need for AAB to write such an artcile and to make so much noise about it!
bla bla bla...
Well,if it was REALLY the case, there would be absolutely no need for AAB to write such an artcile and to make so much noise about it!
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Thanks a lot to babyjet787, flapsfullretard, loc22550, for bringing back this post to the original issue, I start to feel like the people don't really care about our actual situation.
Looks like we have some Professionals Pilots dedicated to divert the attention of the readears to silly issues like S/O with fake hours logged, who care about this ?, only S... people who like to dig in others like to run and report , they are lickers of the lickers!!!!.
I hope one day we can stand together and demand some respect like Emitates do, ahhhhhh Emirates big word for QR, can't be compared with us .....we to far to be even the shadow of Emirates.
Looks like we have some Professionals Pilots dedicated to divert the attention of the readears to silly issues like S/O with fake hours logged, who care about this ?, only S... people who like to dig in others like to run and report , they are lickers of the lickers!!!!.
I hope one day we can stand together and demand some respect like Emitates do, ahhhhhh Emirates big word for QR, can't be compared with us .....we to far to be even the shadow of Emirates.
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well, viewpoint, but why is EK not really able to attract so many pilots then,and why there are still quite many of their pilots complaining so much? i am trying to understand, as I am looking for a DEC in the Gulf and trying to compare......cheerio!
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Maybe but Did EK loose almost 70 pilots only for the first 4 months of this year like Q.R...?Not sure...
Even if they do, taking into consideration the fleet size of EK and pilots number,it would still be a smaller ratio compared to Q.R...
Even if they do, taking into consideration the fleet size of EK and pilots number,it would still be a smaller ratio compared to Q.R...
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didn't you post this back in 2007 ..
sorry you didn't get past the screening mate, but dont take your frustrations out on us. although It is quite entertaining, you should not have landing drinks before surfing Pprune 
easy big fella
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didn't you post this back in 2007 ..
I think Qatar WILL be an excellent choice. They are growing tremendously and extremely stable financially. I will be joining soon
easy big fella
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I think this post is yours? Isn't it? 
"Qatar340, This was very helpful. Thank you, its greatly appreciated. I hear so many people complaining about Qatar in the past forums that one loses sense of what is accurate and is total Bull sh!t. I know every airline in the world has issues to improve and resolve, thats part of our industry, I was getting worried because most people had negative comments about Qatar and Qatar Airways, so I wasnt sure if it was the right decision tojoin or not. I really think that the U.S. airline industry is in turmoil. Over the past few years our wages and pensions were greatly diminished. I think that Qatar Airways offers a very good compensation package, inshallah it is the right move. Once again, Thanks for a sincere response.
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What happened?
Did you change your mind?
"Qatar340, This was very helpful. Thank you, its greatly appreciated. I hear so many people complaining about Qatar in the past forums that one loses sense of what is accurate and is total Bull sh!t. I know every airline in the world has issues to improve and resolve, thats part of our industry, I was getting worried because most people had negative comments about Qatar and Qatar Airways, so I wasnt sure if it was the right decision tojoin or not. I really think that the U.S. airline industry is in turmoil. Over the past few years our wages and pensions were greatly diminished. I think that Qatar Airways offers a very good compensation package, inshallah it is the right move. Once again, Thanks for a sincere response.
"What happened?
Did you change your mind?
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