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Old 8th Jul 2011, 13:15
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Hello there.

I made the following text a little month ago. However due to bad internet connection and many other bad excuses I never posted it.

I do it now and kindly ask all new joiners to pay attention.
Wake up. Do not and I repeat do not be so stupid to thanks the little man in the white dress.
Remember that for more than THREE years that guy didn’t give us a cent! Many of us have being paying school fee out of our own pocket! The inflation has been 10-15% every year! Housing allowance is not even close to the reality. The USD is down the drain. The so-called protection rate is worth nothing. Simply because it is based on the last 3 years value of the USD.
Yes it good news. However, remember last time the pay rise turned out to be pay rice. A PAY CUT. And the overtime is still somewhere in the dessert.
I know 20% sounds good to all of you new Joyner’s. But believe me there are so much more quality to life outside this place. Sometime you just need a kick in the … to see it.

Well. Have fun down there and keep up the spirit. There is always a new day tomorrow but do not let QR take more of your life than necessary.
See you around the Globe

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( did not have access to the new memo)
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 08:56
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Qr Pay raise

hey guys,

am reading this thread now for long time and get quite amused

am just asking you all: which pay raise?

am here now for quite some time (6+) and i never saw such a joke of pay raise. yes spirit1 it sounds only good for new joiners, but reality in doh is:

9% inflation every year, unrealistic housing costs, school system a joke and if you have 2 or more children, you end up paying from your own pocket (even with the new school allowance, if you send them to a good international school) - medical system terrible - 3rd world countrylike

increasing living costs every year, when i came here 2005, 500Qr in Carrefour was a lot, now worth half of it.

respect? what is respect - they and i mean 99% of the people here don't know this word, just look how the qataris behave in general - rich but uneducated greedy and filthy

so now everybody will ask, why am still here? well, if i would have the chance to go back, i would but for the time no jobs available and further to asia is nothing for my family, as they like to go home

furthermore and this is especially for indianace: ask yourself, if after 20 years, you go back, how much money is left and was it really worth it? and what really became better in qr? a bidding system, which costs millions of dollars and is corrupted, a new dispatch - wow, still when u go into tec buildling, the first thing you smell actually is the big rubbish container stop looking through your pinkish glasses or can i have your pills? and if u are such an ace - indigo is hiring and ordered a lots of planes, as well as jet airways - ahh sorry i forgot, they all come to qr

i understand people from leaving with nice rating, and believe me, even with a huge bond, they will go or jumpship

anyway back to the topic - as i said 9% inflation each year - so which payraise?

cheers to all
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 09:52
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Well on paper..its a pay "rise"!
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 17:39
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am here now for quite some time (6+) and i never saw such a joke of pay raise. yes spirit1 it sounds only good for new joiners,
Well actually the new joiners have to pay out of their own pocket the big bond. So looking at the glass half full, the new joiners are lucky because they pay 1/2 of the bond with the pay-raise. And it could have been worse without the raise ... especially with kids and high maintenance wife!
But looking at the glass half empty, the new joiners have to deduct from the pre-payraise basic 1/2 of the remaining bond which is still a big chunk of chips.

medical system terrible - 3rd world country like
the public health system works quite fine ... but if you want to go private you can work the system a bit better and changing country is still a purchasable option.

9% inflation every year, unrealistic housing costs, school system a joke and if you have 2 or more children, you end up paying from your own pocket
Unfortunately all correct but they have to do something about it because the western world is getting slowly but surely out of these bs economic ... they will have to raise the offer in the expat pilot market or ... !

Pay raise better than nothing and hopefully just the beginning!
Hope for the best and expect the worse... with a solid back-up plan!
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 08:58
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morning to all,

medical system is a joke, go to doha or apollo clinic, of qr medical center i do not even talk - you go in one of those, they will give you some panadol, but a real check up will never happen


and nothing will happen here, people are still desperate to come to qr, look at the other threads, especially the joining one


i like this sentence hope for the best, expect the worse, i would say expect the WORST

good luck to all
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 10:08
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Talking about joke&medical...
The first think you have to do when you are sick here is...To take your car and go to this medical center or any clinic to get your certificate...!!!!
Very convenient indeed when you are stuck at home with a very bad food poisoning&Diarrhea!!
What to do....

Back to the initial topic..: any news about our "bonus" for this year???
Are we gone beat the EK 12 weeks bonus???
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 15:35
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Bonus? What bonus?!?
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 15:52
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Hacked off pilots will make and execute all sorts of plans to depart with maximum inconvenience to a company if they imagine they have been driven by disrespect into leaving.
I recall a very good young expat B767 Captain who on the day his final line check paperwork was all signed off.....resigned....having obtained his glass cockpit training....paid off his bond..... and went immediately onto a previously arranged B747-400 course which required glass cockpit experience.
He remained at his new airline for many years until terminated due age rules.
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 18:35
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I recall a very good young expat B767 Captain who on the day his final line check paperwork was all signed off.....resigned....having obtained his glass cockpit training....paid off his bond..... and went immediately onto a previously arranged B747-400 course which required glass cockpit experience.
Explain how he did it!
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 19:49
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Well the bonus, if there is one, will be calculated the Indian way like the currency protection

Something divided by 365 multiple 30 divided by something minus something

At the end u get as fo 2000 rials

So forget 12 weeks straight

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Old 18th Jul 2011, 20:27
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Please , Pleeeeease ,,, NO bonus. they will do it the QR way and to finance a bonus maybe will remove meal allowances, it has been proved by history nothing is for free in QR.

By the way recently flightglobal mag gave the airline management prizes for outstanding management in aviation and guess who WAS NOT there??
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 20:44
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Correct, like with the new pay raise

They took the furniture allowance

Nothing is free in Qr

I read the article and why now am not surprised?
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Old 19th Jul 2011, 06:17
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""outstanding management in aviation""??????
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Old 19th Jul 2011, 12:55
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just back from leave..wow what a humidity here...
well..as for bonus..no news or rumours..maybe none at all this year..not hoping..if it comes well and good.
airwjo...yep indigo and go air hiring and so is many airlines..i am sure if you get good offer from elsewhere you would go..so would i but at this moment i am happy here...
brian..nice positive posting
as for inflation 9%..its the COUNTRY..not the company...i am sure many of your home countries inflation has gone up since 2005...atleast we have got 15-20% rise to battle this...better than nothing at all...its not enough to fight the dropping dollars and rising cost of living but atleast something is better than nothing at all...
as for medical care..doha is good..infact medical care in doha is much better than few parts of the world and as pilots ALLIANZ covers almost all of it...
for school fees..yep..maybe not enough to cover for guys with 4 school going kids but the qr106,000 for 3 kids is actually great as not many airlines gives school fees..ie..airasia,jetairways,jazeera,virgin,ba, etc doesnt have school fees...some of us have to top up ..but then this is the quality of life that we give our kids...
for tech building and dispatch..its actually great improvement since our porta cabin days..and i believe with NDIA it would be much better..just hold on till 2013...
and yes loc22550..the new medical/sick leave ACN is not very compulsive..and some doctors in QMC is not helpful as well..something has to be done on this....but otherwise if you consult many other hospitals in doha, sick leave is given if its deem that you are unfit.the doctors in american and future are great..
just my thoughts guys...ENJOY SUMMER
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Old 19th Jul 2011, 14:11
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dear indianace

well, most of your people like qatar, as it is much better than in india

for your info the inflation in my country is 3% and i meant qatar not QR!!!!

inceasing living costs? doha got expensive like europe and sometimes even more, completly unjustified - the quality here is bs, sorry to say it like this, but thats a fact and it will always be

i know, that the social system is going down as well in europe, but at least we have some protection - missing in QR

education: again unjustified expensive, you should not make money with education, there was even an article about it in the peninsula or gulf times - written by a concerned indian mother - cannot agree more

medical system: the good ones here like al ahli, and hamad are not covered by alliance, but for all reading this, i advise you to get a national health card
and believe me, if i would have to do a heavy surgery, god forbid, i will never have it, i go back, i would never do it it here

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Old 19th Jul 2011, 14:34
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well..cant agree with you more on education..people are making tons of money with education..it shouldnt be this way..basic education is so expensive in doha at some schools..its time for the goverment to introduce a standard pricing system...
on national health card..thats a really good idea..even me..would not do any heavy medical procedure here as many places in the world is better however allianz still covers it world wide..
social and moral isssue..i would not comment on it as it differs between countries and culture...
yes..yes...QR can do many more things for us but compare to 2005 what we have here is much better..all i can say is that..things will surely improve,maybe not fast enough for some but betterment will come..
cheers...
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Old 19th Jul 2011, 19:29
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Let's c what is happening, in my believe, this airline could be the best, if some people would do their job, or attend a simple management course

A happy employee will give much more than an unhappy

For the health card, I really can recommend it, simple to get 100qr per year and all the good hospitals especially al ahli and Hamad are covered

All the best

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Old 20th Jul 2011, 07:36
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airwjo,
I have been to Al Alhi many time with the Allainz card and everything has been covered, including scans, mri's, xrays, and treatment with a specialist.
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 10:09
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airwjo

know what your talking about before you BS everybody. As widebody mentioned, Al Alhi is covered by our medical coverage (Allianz) as are many other medical facilities here.

you do a lot of whining and have nothing positive to say
They took the furniture allowance
OMG. how terrible.. they took your 900 QR !!!!
in my case I went from a 5 year capped basic salary of approx 29,000 QR to a new basic salary of just over 40,000 QR in the pay raise scheme.. so, yes they can have my 900 QR housing allowance, i wont quibble over nickels and dimes.

For those of you on the outside looking in, (again) the work here is ok, (same sh^t you would find anywhere else as an ex-pat) the money if fine (i'm not greedy) and always on time. yes, the goal posts change all the time and yes it's hot in the desert.. duh !.
Some people in the region do not have the education of that in the west and some have absolutely no manners.. but i don't hang with those people, so in the end.. i don't really care. Thats just the way it is.
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Old 20th Jul 2011, 10:40
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As long as you're alright!

What about the new joiners with the new bond, what about those that didnt get a 10000QR raise that needed the 900QR?

Indianace

Same for your pal, you're ok, what about those after you....you are the type that start the race to the bottom by taking the lowest deal available and never ever complaining, and never standing up for anyone else!

FFR
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