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QR finally pay rise !

Old 14th Jun 2011, 12:05
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Better than nothing

Hi there!

Happy to see that our basic has gone up, but still I think that it is far from what the other gulf carriers are offering if we compare the whole package. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I agree with you BabyJet787, this is not going to stop people from leaving, for sure.

Anyway, let's enjoy and let's say thank you. Asking for something better is never bad

Wish u all safe and nice flights!
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Old 14th Jun 2011, 13:26
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Black Pudding:
-For annual increase Everything is based on the date of your Final line check for your actual grade.
-And no.. if you change of grade you go back to the pay scale one in your new respective grade!(the pay scale is based on seniority in your respective grade,not inside the company and again the annual increase will be based according the new final line check date).


Standalone.i noticed the same ""to be competitive within the airline industry..""...sounds better than writing "to try to stop the resignation hemorrhage.."
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Old 14th Jun 2011, 13:34
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loc22550, thank you for clearing that up.
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Old 14th Jun 2011, 16:50
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Thanks Boss...
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Old 14th Jun 2011, 19:38
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Well done to all the QR boys and girls, nobody works harder and deserves a pay rise more than you. BUT it won't stop or even slow down the rate of pilot resignations.

I think if you were to ask the people who already left QR, to list all their reasons why they left, the money would not even be in the top 5 reasons for most of them.

My wife said the best thing when we were talking about it, and trying to decide whether to leave or not, "We only have so many years on this earth, how many of them do we want to spend in this place"
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Old 15th Jun 2011, 13:39
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Nice but some improvements still needed

A welcome adjustment by any standard, but some problems have not been addressed in the new package.
Accommodation, a very important important area especially for families (but maybe for a single guy ok), is not changed. Amiri flight gets 18,000, try to get reasonable private accom for a family with a few kids on the 12,000 /10,000 at the present.
Duty Travel is nothing short of a travesty of justice, whatever time is spent on DT is wholly time spent for QR, away from home, in uniform, (and can't even have a wine with the meal), the only pay will be the somewhat small o/n allowance if on a o/n. Another major problem is that there is no minimum guarantee per month. Many airlines will pay eg 70 hrs, regardless of the hrs flown, as it is up to the airline to roster a reasonable number of hours. Currently, in QR the pay every month is extremely variable depending on the hrs flown. Go away on leave, rostered a low hour month, or have the bad luck to be on the A300, and the pay for a month is sweet nothing. It doesn't help the loan application to tell the bank manager that all I can guarantee is the Basic!
If these areas were addressed QR might become a reasonable, and admired, airline to work for!!
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Old 15th Jun 2011, 14:16
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....and whilst the pay rise is good news, it seems they are clawing some of it back with the annual leave ticket- now only on QR network, and not to your home base as before. Of course, only an issue if you don't happen to live near our ever expanding 5 star network!
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Old 16th Jun 2011, 03:40
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Thanks to all the people involved in the decision making process! Thank you
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Old 16th Jun 2011, 05:31
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"It seems they are clawing some of it back with the annual leave ticket- now only on QR network, and not to your home base as before. Of course, only an issue if you don't happen to live near our ever expanding 5 star network!"
This really was a step backwards... give with one hand take with the other?
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 02:35
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Payrise at first glance

- 'This is still not a good salary.' How true.
- 'Is this the NEW one?' Oh Yes.
- 'Is there overtime pay?' I wish.
- 'Many airlines will pay eg 70 hrs, regardless of the hrs flown...' But not this one. Forget it.
- 'About AL; can I have them in 4 separate blocks?' You cannot because regardless of your bids, they will assign it however it suits them. It can be 2, it can be 5 or 6.


It seems, that the distribution of money among the pilots group will be shifted. Some people will benefit more/suffer less, others will benefit less/suffer more. All in all, it's a deception package. As it says in the very first sentence of the letter, the compensation package has been 'revised' - not improved.


In turn, I wouldn't be surprised, if we were to pay more for RP, exit permits, alc. license etc. in future.



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Old 18th Jun 2011, 04:10
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So you actually think this was so good you should thank somebody for it???? First it doesn't come out of giving motivation to the crew or showing appreciation to you. Basically they did not have an option due to the massive amount of resignations and employment market recovery, But is people leaving because of money?? not a 100%.

The salary rise in QR never comes because of the amount of people resigning, they never care, is all about the amount of applications received, which is low compared to the requirements of the company.

Also the extra money will come from the pockets from a minority of employees (surprise surprise the senior pilots) who have lost their furniture allowance, and all the guys who lost their confirmed full fare tickets on other airlines to go home (QR does not serve every city in the world) this ticket was clearly specified on your contract, by the way contracts in Qatar are as good as toilet paper . 4 to 5 years ago salary increase came from removing extra hours from everyone, I am not trying to bring the spirit down but for sure in QR they are so sure about the senior pilots that they pull this tricks to attract more new joiners and really dont care if a senior guy leaves.

So guys see the big picture and before you spend your hard earned money on boats, cars, quad bikes and start thanking somebody who hates you .....think that nothing comes for free we are paying for this salary rise somehow....
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Old 18th Jun 2011, 13:03
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Like KJ said ... situation is evolving and a positive attitude probably will help digest the things that aren't so easy to understand!
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 02:21
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Brian, No offence but a quick click shows you have much to say about anything QR since April which, presumably, is roughly when you joined. It will realistically take a bit longer before you can preach about how things are perceived at QR.

Sit tight, see how things go and then post away but be careful not to become the PPRuNe stereotype that some other frequent posters have become.

For example, be in no doubt that you have not been awarded a payrise because "the chief" loves you. There is therefore no need to thank him - he is giving you a payrise for business reasons, end of. The fact that he has agreed to award a payrise in no way removes any of the other issues that QR suffers at present, may of which are theoretically far more cheaply solved. The big problems are still there - it is only a payrise which has temporarily got the whingers to post smileys on this website.
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 05:56
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Originally Posted by Pipe Rider
So guys see the big picture and before you spend your hard earned money on boats, cars, quad bikes and start thanking somebody who hates you .....think that nothing comes for free we are paying for this salary rise somehow...
That's correct, Pipe Rider. I'm one of the many with the ALT entitlement to my home city being removed to help fund the pay increase. This has most likely cost the company almost nothing in the end. Thanks QR for giving with one hand, and taking with the other!
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 13:53
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Pay raise my A.....!

No body saying something about the cancellation of tickets to go home in other arilnes. This is obviously targeted to latin american pilots. Kind of xenophobic. Most European countries are served by QR.

I just want to tell everybody that more surprises are to come. And really, really nasty.

Start Packing my friends!
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 17:07
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When they ask you to pay money form your pocket to upgrade or for fleet transfer I really want to to see you thank the Chief!
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 17:19
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Out of interest, how many of you are in a legally binding contract?
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 19:22
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This topic should be closed.

Take it and enjoy it or else guide us to something better !!
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 20:23
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I agree!!

If you do not like the terms, put your money where your mouths are and leave.

The airline owes you nothing, you need the work.

In Europe I often hear how the natives would tell an middle eastern that if the women want their wear their Ninja suits then perhaps they should try and FO it in their country. We live by the terms, cultures, surrounds and respect the rules of the country.

If you're pi$$ed off that there is nowhere for you to get drunk or pick up women or that the company does not allow you to bang cabin crew then just leave. It cannot be any simpler.
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Old 19th Jun 2011, 21:20
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@ Miguel.

In Europe I often hear how the natives would tell an middle eastern that if the women want their wear their Ninja suits then perhaps they should try and...
Do you mean, they ME carriers should take revenge for that? Besides the fact, that there aren't so many europeans in QR; why should non-europeans suffer for this?

The airline owes you nothing
I cannot agree on this one. The company did and still does promises to us, sometimes even in written. And they should keep what they have promised or signed. Doesn't the company expect the same from its employees?

We need the 'work' - and they need the pilots to keep their fleet airborne. Any idea, how many QR-aircraft are grounded currently due to pilot shortage? I think, if people were told the whole truth about respecting 'terms, cultures, surrounds and rules' from the beginning, this company would not be able to attract even such a small number of pilots.
Or is this maybe their way of respecting 'terms, cultures, surrounds and rules' ?

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