EK 777 Captains to the A380?
Using the logic on this forum, wouldn't it be prudent to remove all the seats and just fly the freight?
Makes staff travel a b@gga though.
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Makes staff travel a b@gga though.
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Why not dredge out a flight plan for NYC for both types? Brace yourself for a small shock. The 380 carries an extra ten tons on that trip for which it squanders an extra 60 tons of fuel. So six tons of fuel wasted for every ton in which it outdoes the 777.
That's not just bad business and a noxiously inefficient airframe, it is a crime against common sense and the environment.
That's not just bad business and a noxiously inefficient airframe, it is a crime against common sense and the environment.
The A380 beats the 77W by over 20% when it comes to fuel burn per passenger, this was confirmed by the SIA CEO in interviews, but can also be deducted from the A380 payload range chart and the 777 FCOM.
Saying Emirates only keeps the A380's because they were practically free and make good billboards quite disqualifies you in the eyes of the more knowledgeable forum members.
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A difference of 24 J Class tickets @ AED 33400 return. One sector AED 16700 X 24 = AED 400,800.00.
60 Tonne difference is 75 000 liters. (SG of 0.8) [corrected thanks to 5star]
Now there's a difference of 2 First Class seats granted they are probably not used, but all the same that's another AED 45430.00
Oh yes,then the cattle in the lower deck. That would be an extra 92 @ AED 6570.00 return. Thats a cool AED 302,220.00 one way.
All tolled up this is Aed 748,450.00. I'm very glad that some of my very well informed colleagues are not running this airline, as they would have you believe that we should not spend an extra 60 tonnes of gas to make that money. This weeks IATA average fuel price is $1015.50/metric tonne which would be $76162.50 (AED279 740).
At IATA prices (excluding hedging) the 380 makes a good deal more money.
Today's flight from JFK incidentally took 8/75/377.
No difference first class.
22 Difference Bussiness (excluding 1 staff)
70 Difference economy
My figures are straight off the Emirates web site, I'm sure they are probably out by a bit. I'm willing to bet though that the 380 is not the money wasting beast it is made out to be.
60 Tonne difference is 75 000 liters. (SG of 0.8) [corrected thanks to 5star]
Now there's a difference of 2 First Class seats granted they are probably not used, but all the same that's another AED 45430.00
Oh yes,then the cattle in the lower deck. That would be an extra 92 @ AED 6570.00 return. Thats a cool AED 302,220.00 one way.
All tolled up this is Aed 748,450.00. I'm very glad that some of my very well informed colleagues are not running this airline, as they would have you believe that we should not spend an extra 60 tonnes of gas to make that money. This weeks IATA average fuel price is $1015.50/metric tonne which would be $76162.50 (AED279 740).
At IATA prices (excluding hedging) the 380 makes a good deal more money.
Today's flight from JFK incidentally took 8/75/377.
No difference first class.
22 Difference Bussiness (excluding 1 staff)
70 Difference economy
My figures are straight off the Emirates web site, I'm sure they are probably out by a bit. I'm willing to bet though that the 380 is not the money wasting beast it is made out to be.
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AFAIK the 380 was going to GRU. That isn't happening for now, so no requirement for the 777 to 380 courses.
No, just more BS. Halas 
Obviousely all the guys of the first group failed their 380 transitions.
They are now back on B777.
Any truth in this rumours ???
They are now back on B777.
Any truth in this rumours ???
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The reason the 777-380 classes were cancelled has nothing to do with the GRU destination being on hold for the Fatbus.
It has to do with the fact the bean counters and what not forgot to include the 777 Freighters when factoring the staffing req's for each fleet.
A major oversight... as usual.
Not the first time, won't be the last.
It has to do with the fact the bean counters and what not forgot to include the 777 Freighters when factoring the staffing req's for each fleet.
A major oversight... as usual.
Not the first time, won't be the last.
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Saywhat
Personally not interested in the beancounters job (I think we have more than enough indians in HQ for that), but I'm intrigued that you got the kg to liters conversion wrong. 
60 tons is still 75K liters buddy.
Maybe next time go straight to bed after that nasty night turn.
Just check next time you sign off the techlog.....
60 tons is still 75K liters buddy.
Maybe next time go straight to bed after that nasty night turn.
Just check next time you sign off the techlog.....
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The A380 beats the 77W by over 20% when it comes to fuel burn per passenger, this was confirmed by the SIA CEO in interviews, but can also be deducted from the A380 payload range chart and the 777 FCOM
Let's be honest here, if you go over to it you are effectively stopping your career in it's tracks, unless of course you enjoy the hotels in Incheon, or you are staying here till you are 65.
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Ladies, are you for real??? Who cares how much fuel the whale needs or how much money it makes or not?? What is wrong with y'all?? You have too much free time to worry about this crap? The original question was whether to jump ships or not...
As much as I hate the 777 (coming from the bus), as a Captain you'd be crazy to go to the whale except for lifestyle. Nobody will ever employ you as a 380-DEC if you leave EK! This is the only valid point! You wanna work less? Fine, go fly the 380. You wannna remain marketable? Stay on the damn 777. It's that easy. I made my decision since I don't wanna be here for the next 10 or 20 years: I keep up with the ****ty seats and the terrible noise of the 777 but when the day comes I'll get a job somewhere else in a heartbeat. Your talk about fuel and money is soooooo boring, get a life!
As much as I hate the 777 (coming from the bus), as a Captain you'd be crazy to go to the whale except for lifestyle. Nobody will ever employ you as a 380-DEC if you leave EK! This is the only valid point! You wanna work less? Fine, go fly the 380. You wannna remain marketable? Stay on the damn 777. It's that easy. I made my decision since I don't wanna be here for the next 10 or 20 years: I keep up with the ****ty seats and the terrible noise of the 777 but when the day comes I'll get a job somewhere else in a heartbeat. Your talk about fuel and money is soooooo boring, get a life!
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....but if you want to retire in a few years and never ever want to fly again the 380 is great to fly and easy to operate, thats what really counts.
So funny to listen to the 777 drivers who say the 380 wont do any LR or european flights in the future, I am sure they are right and EK just bought them to stand on the tarmac.
So funny to listen to the 777 drivers who say the 380 wont do any LR or european flights in the future, I am sure they are right and EK just bought them to stand on the tarmac.
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GT, you got a point and your are absolutely right. I just cannot listen to this "mine is bigger than yours, mine is making more money than yours, but yours is using more fuel than mine" crp anymore. Who gives a 
??? Itīs all about lifestyle and personal future planning, nothing more. A plane is a plane is a plane, for godīs sake! Grow up people!
p anymore. Who gives a ??? Itīs all about lifestyle and personal future planning, nothing more. A plane is a plane is a plane, for godīs sake! Grow up people!
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It's definitely about lifestyle and career, just read the copilots rant about getting shafted to the fatbus.
Let the T7 drivers go fly the whale if they want, i'm sure they'll manage, and let the ones keep their T7 rating who feel ok with it.
Concerning the routes and fuel guzzling. Look at what Lufthansa and Air France are doing this winter, they're pulling the fatbus off routes that show thinner preloads. Now this is not an easy exercise, just a phone call from SMNC away. It takes a lot of planning and shifting of manpower, so you wouldn't do it, if not really for some savings. This indicates a problem with the whale when loads are not high.
So we might be prepared for some big shifts in patterns for the next couple of seasons, if EK can get their manning right for once.
TC will stay happy with the whale as long as Airbus pays the huge compensations for overweight and lack of promised performance (ask the top bean counters how much, you'll be surprised). Once this is gone, it will sound very much different.
Let the T7 drivers go fly the whale if they want, i'm sure they'll manage, and let the ones keep their T7 rating who feel ok with it.
Concerning the routes and fuel guzzling. Look at what Lufthansa and Air France are doing this winter, they're pulling the fatbus off routes that show thinner preloads. Now this is not an easy exercise, just a phone call from SMNC away. It takes a lot of planning and shifting of manpower, so you wouldn't do it, if not really for some savings. This indicates a problem with the whale when loads are not high.
So we might be prepared for some big shifts in patterns for the next couple of seasons, if EK can get their manning right for once.
TC will stay happy with the whale as long as Airbus pays the huge compensations for overweight and lack of promised performance (ask the top bean counters how much, you'll be surprised). Once this is gone, it will sound very much different.
