Emirates to take 14 aircraft in next fiscal year
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I can understand the higer power thing. After all they will never admit their shortcomings publically but at least they accomodate them and plan for them.
I often wonder why ATC can't up the movements especially with the things to come in the near future. As everyone knows it is only going to get worse.
Something to plan for which will never happen in the middle east is where all the agencies can coordinate the flow into DXB. When Bahrain tells you go 310 kts and then the UAE tells you 250kts when you check in and Dubai puts you in a hold better talking would be a good thing. You will never get the arabs to agree on anything but it is worth a try for better flow.
I often wonder why ATC can't up the movements especially with the things to come in the near future. As everyone knows it is only going to get worse.
Something to plan for which will never happen in the middle east is where all the agencies can coordinate the flow into DXB. When Bahrain tells you go 310 kts and then the UAE tells you 250kts when you check in and Dubai puts you in a hold better talking would be a good thing. You will never get the arabs to agree on anything but it is worth a try for better flow.
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Since peak traffic times are just about all EK traffic, wouldn't it make sense for EK ops to coordinate our arrivals and ACARS us an RTA time over Desdi/Bubin so we're not all arriving right on top of each other...use the 5 hours inbound from Europe or the Far East to get everyone spaced out nicely.
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Err....how about talking to those of us who FLY THE AEROPLANES?
We get some delays outbound due to the airways, but by far the biggest problem is inbound- We get happily through all the airspace with no problem, to then have to hold for prolonged periods due to the number of aircraft landing at Dubai.
Err....how about talking to those of us who FLY THE AEROPLANES?
We get some delays outbound due to the airways, but by far the biggest problem is inbound- We get happily through all the airspace with no problem, to then have to hold for prolonged periods due to the number of aircraft landing at Dubai.
Throw in some unrest in Iran, Saudi or Bahrain and the whole thing falls apart much sooner.
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In answereing a previous question, minimum 1000' per minute unless mentioned otherwise and a speed reduction at a rate of 1kt per second. Regarding descent in the hold, I think 500' but maybe someone has a definitive answer for that please.
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Can i have their early turns to the LOC please? Flight time is already longer that the block and every little bit helps.
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No, It's not. It should be given at least once during the approach but if, for example, you are given direct UKRIM, then I would consider it somewhat superfluous and a waste of r/t time.
Yes and No. There is a plan. Often that plan has to change because, for example, aircraft 1 is floating down at 200 fpm and won't be ready to turn when planned or b) aircraft 2 is being "creative" with the speeds and the planned sequence will no longer work.
At 05:00 it shouldn't be too much of a problem as almost everyone is coming through BUBIN, so it's a case of "follow the leader". The provisos above still apply, however.
You shouldn't and if you do, you should certainly get an answer.
As already stated, it's only going to get worse. Latest figures for Jan 2011 show ANOTHER 10% increase on last JAN for Dubai TMA movements - that puts us on track for a >40% increase in movements in 3 yrs, by the end of this year. This using hopelessly outdated procedures and equipment - never mind electronic strips, we can't even get electronic estimates from the UAE ACC! As for the radar, the latest all singing / dancing system is sitting in DWC but won't be online for quite some time (I'll let you guess why but it's closely linked to the reason we're still on 2009 salaries, despite all the proud boasts of year on year record profits by emirates et al).
Moves ARE afoot to increase movement rates by allowing independant use of the runways but I really can't see how that can be done without overcoming the insidious speed control issues - we will be expected to work down to minimum vortex wake spacing but without addressing the issue, expect lots of go-arounds.
All in all, everyone from the ACC in AD to apTWR/APP does their best with the tools available. The tools SHOULD evolve in the foreseeable future - let's hope they do.
Is Track-Miles-To-Run a secret for some reason?
Or is it unknown? Are ATC shooting from the hip?
At 05:00 it shouldn't be too much of a problem as almost everyone is coming through BUBIN, so it's a case of "follow the leader". The provisos above still apply, however.
Why do we have to ask?
As already stated, it's only going to get worse. Latest figures for Jan 2011 show ANOTHER 10% increase on last JAN for Dubai TMA movements - that puts us on track for a >40% increase in movements in 3 yrs, by the end of this year. This using hopelessly outdated procedures and equipment - never mind electronic strips, we can't even get electronic estimates from the UAE ACC! As for the radar, the latest all singing / dancing system is sitting in DWC but won't be online for quite some time (I'll let you guess why but it's closely linked to the reason we're still on 2009 salaries, despite all the proud boasts of year on year record profits by emirates et al).
Moves ARE afoot to increase movement rates by allowing independant use of the runways but I really can't see how that can be done without overcoming the insidious speed control issues - we will be expected to work down to minimum vortex wake spacing but without addressing the issue, expect lots of go-arounds.
All in all, everyone from the ACC in AD to apTWR/APP does their best with the tools available. The tools SHOULD evolve in the foreseeable future - let's hope they do.
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@Guy D'ageradar
Where are the accountants, perhaps they could get a 'clue' on what's going on & dig in their tight pockets! = Payrise = NOT GETTING!
@emratty
The Standard of RT ONLY???????
As already stated, it's only going to get worse. Latest figures for Jan 2011 show ANOTHER 10% increase on last JAN for Dubai TMA movements - that puts us on track for a >40% increase in movements in 3 yrs, by the end of this year.
@emratty
I feel for the UAE/ Dubai controllers as quite frankly the standard of RT used by pilots in these parts of the world is shocking and something that controllers in Europe do not come up against very often
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Have to ask. Wouldn't clearance via PDC cut down the amount of radio traffic on delivery substantially? It would also cut the frustration of both the controller and pilots, who often seem unable to contact each other when required.
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I have to agree with the above, PDC is the way to go because when you contact DLV they always come back asking you to SBY the problem is that 9 times out of 10 if you dont call them back you will be standing by forever...
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@Macrohard
In the pipeline.....they say...as the New Radar System oRAT3, electronic strips, & perhaps a new Ground Control position!
@springbok449
PDC -
but......
I guess you are really exaggerating big time!
Wouldn't clearance via PDC cut down the amount of radio traffic on delivery substantially? It would also cut the frustration of both the controller and pilots, who often seem unable to contact each other when required.
In the pipeline.....they say...as the New Radar System oRAT3, electronic strips, & perhaps a new Ground Control position!
@springbok449
I have to agree with the above, PDC is the way to go because when you contact DLV they always come back asking you to SBY the problem is that 9 times out of 10 if you dont call them back you will be standing by forever...
but......
I guess you are really exaggerating big time!
