dan1165

Experienced pilots well beyond the "new" min requirements are not invited for selection ..

migair54

One of the guys that work with me got today a call from Emirates recruitment to talk about him for a while over the phone, it's the first time I heard this and basically he told me that the call was a few questions about flying background, IR test dates, current position and things like that.

Have any of you heard about this before??

At the end of the call, he was told that it was all good and he has good chances to get an invitation for Dubai, but it could take days, weeks or months.

flyingpilot89

my friend received the same call as well, it was a month ago and they said will contact within 2 weeks if successful. but till now no news.

sluggums

Normally when they call it's for an English language check.

Xiamen

So is the assessment team running their own agenda?
Are they stalling the whole process in order to escalate the shortage and force a change in T&C's for all EK pilots?
The failure rate seems to be higher than normal, and some very experienced guys are getting axed.

Commuter0815

My 10 cents about some suggestions here what is better the EK in the middle east.

1.Some guys say Qatar is one of the top destinations for european pilots. I was there a couple of years ago(and was quitting there after 2 years because it was unbearable) - QR knows they have to pay a ****load of money to convince pilots to join them(and to replenish because of all the people leaving).
When I was there management was not really great(nicely said), fleetchiefs more or less the same as management, rostering horrible(i had up to 23 rosterchanges/month, no bull****). I would say, forget QR(and Doha, brrrr).

2. QR Executive just the same as I hear.

3. Had a look at the Turkish "gig" last year - can not suggest that really.The Turkish Lira is in free fall and you don't know what will happen with your salary over the next couple of months. Plus leaving(and driving ) in Istanbul, everyone who had a look at that knows what I mean. Only good point is that IST is closer to europe then DXB,but within 6 hours you are at home flying out of DXB - good enough for me.

If it has to be Turkey then consider Sunexpress, they are looking urgently for Captains and pay in Euros. But not really great either, lots of flying, salary around 6300 Euros(depends on experience), need a place there and effectively just 5 days at home if commuting(7 days in a row/month).

4. Maybe Fly Dubai is worth a shot.

Based from my "Doha Experience" I must say that the location is of outmost importance for "long term happiness"(at least for me). And saying that I can just think of Dubai in the Middle East where I would like to spend a longer period(and I do a lot of ME flying, currently operating a heavy businessjet in command but looking to go back to to old airline operation).


After a lot of years not living anymore in the ME I decided it is time again to give it a shot and I applied for EK, got a positive reply within 48 hrs and sitting now in the holding pool.

I had a read over the last few pages of this Thread and found some test prep sites that are suggested.

Is that one from "latestpilotsjobs" any good and can be suggested(maybe someone who ACTUALLY made it inside EK)?

Any other way of preparation required or is everything covered in the offered preparation? E.g. I did the "Mollymawk" prep for Sunexpress, but then decided that this company is not really my long term career goal. Everything was covered in the "Mollymawk"...

Looking forward to hear some suggestions, thank you!

CamelRustler

X,
That's exactly their job! To interview potential candidates. A simple 3-5 minute conversation with an applicant lets the interviewer know if they have potential or are wasting the applicants time and EKs resources bringing out someone who looks good on paper but will not pass training because the individual can not understand English to an acceptable standard. If you notice here on PPrune EK pilots have the utmost respect for the individuals who work in recruitment. They have a very hard job, especially in these times. I assure you no one there has an agenda other than passing on qualified pilots to the training department.

Turbokite

Do they sometimes change their minds after you already passed the interviews?
I know a colleague who went through the whole process, medicals checked out Okay, and then there was silence.

Though rumors abound of a no poach agreement with a certain East African carrier with red green and black tails. After a sudden increase of the EA carrier pilots applying to EK and a couple of them making it through, there were concerns they would lose many more. The HR of the said company approached EK and made a request to put a stop on recruitment of their pilots. Is that even possible at a time they so desperately need airframe drivers?

migair54

We can't say the name of Kenya Airways??

Maybe they change their mind after doing some documentation checks or requesting some documentation and it was submitted or not done on time.

I heard that few Kenya Airways pilots left to go to Qatar, more than to EK, but why should EK get an anti-poaching agreement with KQ??


Xiamen>
why would the HR department stall the process to help pilots?? they should do their job, otherwise they can be blamed in case not enough pilots join and they have to start cancelling flights and grounding planes.

Xiamen

I don't know, and I will not pretend to have a clear view of the EK assessment policy, but two friends of mine went for the DEC assessment. Both widebody captains in the 15000 - 20000 hr bracket. Both previously assessed and passed by other major airlines. Both failed, and so did all the other DEC candidates who tried at the same time.
Is HR the only part who decides who will pass or not?
I got no idea, but the EK assessment can't be that different from all the airlines. If you pass one, you should as a general rule pass the other.
Maybe I'm just seeing ghosts?

Commuter0815

Maybe they are just more concerned about DEC's as this IS a risky step for any company.

You hire a captain that should fly your shiny aircraft and risk the wellbeing of the entire company.

If you hire FO's it is much easier - you have a person in charge that is long in the company and can have an eye on that new joiner. If it is the other way around it is much harder for the company.

Actually very easy to understand(if you put yourself in an airlinemanagers shoes) why DEC'S are the last resort for any company.

I really respect that, being myself a captain in europe since 1999. If I would join EK it would be most likely as an FO. Or do you think BA, LH or any other serious European carrier would hire a DEC??

In my eyes a safety question. You want to know your captains.

It seems now EK starts to hire DECS on the 330 fleet, it seems they are very desperate right now.

Xiamen

DEC is by far the cheapest way to increase the pilot numbers. It only takes one pilot and one transition training.
An upgrade takes three.
I can't comment on the risk as I have never seen any statistics on this.
EK are taking DEC on 777 as well now. Check the website.

Commuter0815

True that it is cheap - in training numbers and figures.

If you go the other way it could be very expensive and kill a company - just imagine a plane goes down and pilot error is the cause.

Lot's of airlines think in training costs and don't really know the person that they are hiring - i think we all agree that psychologists and HR people can be tricked sometimes very easily if you push "the right buttons" during an interview. At the end an interview is not rocket science if you did it often enough.

And accident/incident history shows enough cases with just the wrong people in the left seat(and sometimes in the right as just seen recently in Germany).

I think EK is one of the ME carriers that tries to keep the DEC numbers quiet low(i stand corrected if someone comes up with other figures , especially compared to Etihad or Qatar) for said reasons.

updown

Did PSP1 in Brisbane earlier this week. Computer exams were identical to whats on LPJ. Sim in the 737NG.

Sim was a bit weird, BN R19, climbing & descending turns (apparently not marked), raw data ILS --> go around --> engine failure. Went out of tolerances during this excercise.

Then asked what I would do now, they are after your failure management procedure stuff. Single engine ILS with FD on, nothing to bad here.

Biggest gimmick is they dont give you any power settings / attitudes / speeds before the sim so its all trial and error when you jump in. The speeds are different to Microsoft flight sim, so that didnt help. Probably a bit harsh considering none of the candidates had any jet time (all turboprop pilots).

Was told they are after 500 pilots this year, 700 next year, and this year is all for B777.

Not expecting any further progression through the recruitment stage as I did go out of tolerance during the engine failure, but hopefully some others find this information useful.

jklm05

Hello everyone. Just wanted to ask what is the realistic flight time and experience that people who are getting hired now have? Are they taking people at the minimums published or do they want something higher?

Also, any time frame for someone like me dropping my app in today, how long it could be before i can expect to maybe get called for an interview and then expect to start, provided you clear the assessment?

Thanks for your valuable feedback. Cheers!

Pin Head

Updown:

Were you allowed to use the Flight Director?

updown

FD only on for th single engine ILS.

Any feedback on the recent pass rate at LHR?

I Can confirm you need 2000hrs turboprop - first question we were asked was what aircraft do you have 20000hrs on?

jklm05

Thanks. And any idea how long one can expect to wait for an interview after dropping in your app etc? And how soon do you start training provided you clear the screening process? Thanks

flyinaway247

I recently finished the 4 day interview process in DXB and I was wondering how long does it take for them to contact your references after you finish the interview process?

If someone who has recently gotten a job offer can tell me exactly how long they waited before they got an email from Emirates about contacting their references, I would appreciate it. Thanks

JACK14

UPDOWN did you pass the sim Assesment or not ???
cheers